How Pakistan outsmarted India using soft diplomacy?

[Rusty]

It's more than 2 years now, and many members left, believing the situation to be irredeemable. You are late to the party.

[Just to make things clear, I left for other reasons, under an unpleasant piece of blackmail in which Pakistani members were in no way involved. My return is due to some confidence that what happened may not be repeated. ]

As long as there are those who will go to any lengths to convey their hate of other religions, other nationalities and other ethnicities at any cost, any amount of whistle-blowing is not going to be of any use. You may remember the Twitter fiasco some quarters earlier.

I have always maintained that there is a reasonable segment of Pakistani members, and there is an unreasonable segment; in recent years, the unreasonable segment has been given carte blanche. There is no point appealing to them, there is no point in hoping for a change of attitude. Only those fortunate enough to be under the protective umbrella of the others, the number of forthright and very decent members of the admin., as I have been fortunate, can stay on, and participate, even if in a limited capacity.

Regarding your specific thoughts, it would be disloyal on my part, having participated and continuing to participate in the goings on, to recommend what you have in mind or to take a position against the administration. I have to suggest that you continue to appeal to the rational side of offensive members, including offensive members of the administration. However, you must do what you feel it is right to do. Others can only share their opinion with you, as I am doing.

I can only talk about myself. I grew up with a large Indian population, to this day my best friends are Indians. But I saw the hatred Hindus have for us, even in the most innocent things and as a natural reaction have moved my opinions and belifes too match the hatred I saw against me and my people.

 

[PradoTLC]

The systematic use of religion, the setting up of one religion vs the other, the denigration of one religion and ts entire followers by admins no less. Yes, this is the new standard of PDF. The bigotry of the admin staff, or at least that of one particular mod is on glorious, illuminating display.

@Oscar , @waz This is disappointing, really.

@Joe Shearer , Im not sure if I am overreacting. but this deplorable behaviour here has gone unchecked for far too long. The host servers (belonging to US), and google is required,morally and legally under US, EU and Indian laws to ban and restrict availability of sites promoting and encouraging systematic bigotry and racial/religiously motivated hatred/targeting. We have had talks with certain firms that provide access, directly or indirectly regarding their culpability. Do you think its time to force compliance? I'm requesting your opinion as one of the most respected voices IMHO.

look who is talking....

 

[Joe Shearer]

There is frankly nothing wrong in that statement except perhaps it could be elaborated to show how it is Hindu focused and Hindu led parties that are currently sowing seeds of fascism in India.

As far as your complaint which I regard as sanctimonious (in terms of Indian members as a whole) grudge goes; I hope that if such an effort seems honest and logicial to you then you also put sites like Bharat Rakshak, Indian Defense forum and a plethora of twitter handles and facebook pages that openly spread hatred and bigotry against Muslims and even Christians as part of your recommendation; otherwise all you would be is a hypocrite.

I cannot speak for others; for my part, that goes without saying. I have been invited into several fora, joined those and left in disagreement with the overt bigotry on display.

I can only talk about myself. I grew up with a large Indian population, to this day my best friends are Indians. But I saw the hatred Hindus have for us, even in the most innocent things and as a natural reaction have moved my opinions and belifes too match the hatred I saw against me and my people.

You must have encountered an extremely strange sample of Hindus. What you say is so unrepresentative that it seems that you might be describing an alien race.

Where is the blue world have you been , Good to see you again

I left - had to leave - under coercion. That seems to have been defanged, and I came back because there are too many people on this forum whom I have grown to like over the years.

How are you?

 

[Rusty]

I cannot speak for others; for my part, that goes without saying. I have been invited into several fora, joined those and left in disagreement with the overt bigotry on display.



You must have encountered an extremely strange sample of Hindus. What you say is so unrepresentative that it seems that you might be describing an alien race.



I left - had to leave - under coercion. That seems to have been defanged, and I came back because there are too many people on this forum whom I have grown to like over the years.

How are you?

Just read any TOI comment section, or a YouTube video comment section.

 

[xyxmt]

Outsmarting India in soft diplomacy is not easy , you may fire one or two aces but we are very good in the game ..You are playing in to our hands and we will gladly lead you to a way where you can't find a way back ..Enjoy until it lasts..

so you admit India is a saboteur

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

There is frankly nothing wrong in that statement except perhaps it could be elaborated to show how it is Hindu focused and Hindu led parties that are currently sowing seeds of fascism in India.

As far as your complaint which I regard as sanctimonious (in terms of Indian members as a whole) grudge goes; I hope that if such an effort seems honest and logicial to you then you also put sites like Bharat Rakshak, Indian Defense forum and a plethora of twitter handles and facebook pages that openly spread hatred and bigotry against Muslims and even Christians as part of your recommendation; otherwise all you would be is a hypocrite.

Not to mention how many right wing talk show hosts, websites etc in the US & Europe (that openly spout Islamophbia and/or engage in hate-mongering against immigrants) would be impacted were such a yardstick to be used.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

i think its a smart strategy by pakistan. divide and make em weak till we can catch up.

 

[MultaniGuy]

The systematic use of religion, the setting up of one religion vs the other, the denigration of one religion and ts entire followers by admins no less. Yes, this is the new standard of PDF. The bigotry of the admin staff, or at least that of one particular mod is on glorious, illuminating display.

@Oscar , @waz This is disappointing, really.

@Joe Shearer , Im not sure if I am overreacting. but this deplorable behaviour here has gone unchecked for far too long. The host servers (belonging to US), and google is required,morally and legally under US, EU and Indian laws to ban and restrict availability of sites promoting and encouraging systematic bigotry and racial/religiously motivated hatred/targeting. We have had talks with certain firms that provide access, directly or indirectly regarding their culpability. Do you think its time to force compliance? I'm requesting your opinion as one of the most respected voices IMHO.

Your Bharat Rhakshak Indian forum has entire threads devoted to the destruction of Pakistan.

Why not condemn that first before complaining about a Pakistani forum?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Just read any TOI comment section, or a YouTube video comment section.

Yes, that's exactly what I said:

You must have encountered an extremely strange sample of Hindus. What you say is so unrepresentative that it seems that you might be describing an alien race.

Your enormous mistake is to assume that the Internet Hindu is the Hindu. It is an enormous mistake.

I do know a few Hindus myself; maybe as many as you do, who knows? And I have among them a handful who talk the kind of bilge that comments in the ToI and on YouTube reflect. To deduct from that that you therefore have to build defences against these terrible menaces to society is, frankly, over the top. Surely you don't expect anybody, including these terrible menaces, to take seriously those on YouTube who return vulgarity for vulgarity, abuse for abuse, religious toxin for religious toxin.

 

[HAIDER]

Sikh already not very happy with Indian govt, they already divide there Punjab into three. After partition sikh were expecting something good from central govt, but they gave gift of 84 massacre ... Pakistan ultimate target is create Indian Punjab into buffer zone and they did it finally. But, war is not solution of everything.

 

[Samurai_assassin]

Outsmarting India in soft diplomacy is not easy , you may fire one or two aces but we are very good in the game ..You are playing in to our hands and we will gladly lead you to a way where you can't find a way back ..Enjoy until it lasts..

Hence the reason why Pakistanis should be very weary of Indians. Indians will sabotage this initiative, then back to the barracks I suppose. Indians will be back on the streets of Delhi with their sowrds and chanting thier usual anti Pakistan slogans.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

i think its a smart strategy by pakistan. divide and make em weak till we can catch up.

Technically, Sikhs are Muslims. Sikhs love Pakistan and Pakistanis. Guru Nanak was a Muslim and he visited Mecca & Medina. This is the reason why Sikh freedom fighters support Kashmir freedom fighters.

 

[Vikki]

The systematic use of religion, the setting up of one religion vs the other, the denigration of one religion and ts entire followers by admins no less. Yes, this is the new standard of PDF. The bigotry of the admin staff, or at least that of one particular mod is on glorious, illuminating display.

@Oscar , @waz This is disappointing, really.

@Joe Shearer , Im not sure if I am overreacting. but this deplorable behaviour here has gone unchecked for far too long. The host servers (belonging to US), and google is required,morally and legally under US, EU and Indian laws to ban and restrict availability of sites promoting and encouraging systematic bigotry and racial/religiously motivated hatred/targeting. We have had talks with certain firms that provide access, directly or indirectly regarding their culpability. Do you think its time to force compliance? I'm requesting your opinion as one of the most respected voices IMHO.

PDF Pakistanis advocate jihad against India in Kashmir..they abuse Hindu gods and rituals..still it is not banned in India...Why?where can we report such websites..I mean to Indian govt

 

[Verve]

Im not sure if I am overreacting.

Not at all, you are meeting the expectations that of a Hallucinating Hindu very well.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Your enormous mistake is to assume that the Internet Hindu is the Hindu. It is an enormous mistake.

I do know a few Hindus myself; maybe as many as you do, who knows? And I have among them a handful who talk the kind of bilge that comments in the ToI and on YouTube reflect. To deduct from that that you therefore have to build defences against these terrible menaces to society is, frankly, over the top. Surely you don't expect anybody, including these terrible menaces, to take seriously those on YouTube who return vulgarity for vulgarity, abuse for abuse, religious toxin for religious toxin.

Are you a dalit?

Dalits love Pakistan.