How India should deal with China's proposal to link Maritime Silk Route to India's "Mausam" ?

[Indo-guy]

Ready to link Maritime Silk Route plans with India’s ‘Mausam’ project, China says - The Times of India

BEIJING: Ahead of this week's annual defence dialogue, China has expressed its readiness to work with India to link its ambitious Maritime Silk Route plans with India's "Mausam" project in a bid to address New Delhi's strategic concerns and derive "common benefits".

Defence secretary RK Mathur will lead the Indian defence delegation at the talks due to be held here on April 8-9 during which the two countries would discuss a wide range of measures to step up cooperation between the defence forces of the two countries.

Significantly, ahead of the key meeting Chinese foreign ministry said China looks forward to stepping up interaction with India to identify the meeting point for their strategic interests in South Asia, especially the Indian Ocean region.
"China is ready to with South Asian countries, including India, Sri Lanka, to strengthen policy communication, identify the meeting point of their development strategies, explore effective ways of mutually beneficial cooperation and common benefit of the region, countries and the people," Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told PTI.

She was responding to a question on China's ambassador to India Le Yucheng's recent comments to media that China wants to have communication with India to link the "belt and road" initiatives with New Delhi's "Spice Route" and "Mausam" projects.

During last year's defence dialogue, the two sides discussed prospects of joint naval exercises in addition to the "Hand in Hand" exercises being held annually between the two armies to promote military-to-military relations.

Last month, a high-level Air Force delegation from India came here for the first high-level interaction.


According to officials, the defence dialogue covers talks on mutual perspectives on South Asia, the China-India relationship, bilateral military ties and issues relating to the borders.

The calls for policy coordination followed Chinese President Xi Jinping formally launching the multibillion Silk Road and Maritime Silk Road (MSR) projects.

Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said China is ready to b with South Asian countries, including India, Sri Lanka, to strengthen policy communication, identify the meeting point of their development strategies.


The projects are also called the "belt and road" initiatives and China has devoted a $40 billion-fund besides facility from its Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) being launched with $50 billion capital later this year for them.

India has joined the AIIB as a founding member. Xi also mooted India-China-Sri Lanka trilateral cooperation during his last month's talks with Sri Lankan President Maithripala Sirisena here.

The "belt and road" projects aim at increasing China's influence in the region besides reviving its slowing economy. The projects also plan to connect China with Europe and Africa by road, rail and sea.

 

[Srinivas]

Mausam has nothing to do with Maritime silk route.

Mausam is an Indian initiative, Chinese have money but they cannot produce goods cheaply in the next decade. Reason why they want to utilize other countries resources which include human resources.

By doing that Chinese can increase their GDP and hit their past rates.

India wants to do the same thing which Japan, S.Korea, Singapore and China did in the past, if not more.

Chinese should watch out for western moves , since they do not like an asian power to dominate them. They will do every thing to cut down the tentacles and cause problems.

India will co operate with China on silk route. But Mausam will not be linked to silk route.

We have our grand plans for India.

 

[Indo-guy]

points i will like to raise with this Chinese move are as follows .

1. MSR is part of larger Chinese game plan to wean off Indian ocean littoral states from Indian influence !
2. MSR will serve Dual purposes - outwardly it is meant to fulfill China's maritime needs but in the event if crisis it will serve military purpose .
3.MSR will undermine india's dominance in IOR .
4. Indian naval capability has seen distinct erosion in capability - Vhina is rapidly mobilising it's naval power .
5. The gap between India and china's military power is going to widen in foreseeable future - to India's disadvantages .
6. India need to build upon it's advantage in Indian ocean.

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Mausam has nothing to do with Maritime silk route.

Mausam is an Indian initiative, Chinese have money but they cannot produce goods cheaply in the next decade. Reason why they want to utilize other countries resources which include human resources.

By doing that Chinese can increase their GDP and hit their past rates. But here is the problem.

India wants to do the same thing which Japan, S.Korea, Singapore and China did in the past, if not more.

Chinese should watch out for western moves , since they do not like an asian power to dominate them. They will do every thing to cut down the tentacles and cause problems.

India will co operate with China on silk route. But Mausam will not be linked to silk route.

We have our grand plans for India.

Linking Mausam with China's MSR will undermine Mausam.

China will be able to steamroll Indian plan ....by virtue of its economic power ...

We must not let China get foothold in IOR as much as possible .

Let me be very precise -

INDIA MUST NOT CO OPERATE WITH CHINA WITH RESPECT TO MSR .

IF AT ALL WE MUST LINK THE CO OPERATION ON MSR SUBJECTED TO SATISFACTORY RESOLUTION OF BOUNDARY ISSUE

 

[Srinivas]

Economies dictate the power the nation can project.

Chinese are invited to invest in India and get benefits, at the same time they should reciprocate by giving access to their market.

One cannot play zero sum game in this regard.

I think Modi Govt. has good policy in this regard. Mausam is an initiative which involves co operation with western nations, Japan and China. With time this initiative will become grander.

If they want access to ports for trade, India should give that.

No need to fear for Chinese domination here. The next 4 or 5 decades are ours !

points i will like to raise with this Chinese move are as follows .

1. MSR is part of larger Chinese game plan to wean off Indian ocean littoral states from Indian influence !
2. MSR will serve Dual purposes - outwardly it is meant to fulfill China's maritime needs but in the event if crisis it will serve military purpose .
3.MSR will undermine india's dominance in IOR .
4. Indian naval capability has seen distinct erosion in capability - Vhina is rapidly mobilising it's naval power .
5. The gap between India and china's military power is going to widen in foreseeable future - to India's disadvantages .
6. India need to build upon it's advantage in Indian ocean.


Linking Mausam with China's MSR will undermine Mausam.

China will be able to steamroll Indian plan ....by virtue of its economic power ...

We must not let China get foothold in IOR as much as possible .

 

[ito]

It is useless for China to spend money in India's neighborhood, as it is for India in South China sea.

 

[Indo-guy]

Economies dictate the power the nation can project.

Chinese are invited to invest in India and get benefits, at the same time they should reciprocate by giving access to their market.

One cannot play zero sum game in this regard.

I think Modi Govt. has good policy in this regard. Mausam is an initiative which involves co operation with western nations, Japan and China.

No need to fear for Chinese domination here. The next 4 or 5 decades are ours !

We must not mix economy and investment with something which may have huge military implications like MSR .

There is no need for India to reciprocate on MSR .

we still have boundary dispute with china .

and we can't be sure of china's intention .

WE MUST NEVER FORGET THAT CHINA REMAINS OUR PRINCIPAL MILITARY ADVERSARY .
WE MUST NOT DO ANYTHING UNDER GARB OF SHORT TERM ECONOMIC BENIFITS TO UNDERMINE LONG TERM MILITRY ADVANTAGE >
DESPITE WEAKER NAVY INDIA HOLDS ADVANTAGE AGAINST CHINA IN IOR ...
WE MUST NOT FORFEIT THAT ADVANTAGE

It is useless for China to spend money in India's neighborhood, as it is for India in South China sea.

China has huge amount of money .
Their oil supply passes through IOR. which INDIA can choke in event of war/ escalation bringing Chinese economy to standstill.
China is building 3 month long strategic reserve to counter that ...yet they need to secure sea lanes ...in event of protracted low intensity stand off .
They have lot of reasons to be in IOR.

 

[ito]

I think there is nothing wrong in cooperating with China. But the way Chinese are spending hard earned money to buy 'friendships' may not be good for their country's economy.

It is understandable that Chinese want influence. But the way they are going about to gain influence is futile

 

[Indo-guy]

I think there is nothing wrong in cooperating with China. But the way Chinese are spending hard earned money to buy 'friendships' may not be good for their country's economy.

It is understandable that Chinese want influence. But the way they are going about to gain influence is futile

Chinese are not fools .

they have not reached the stage to challenge US just like that ...

There are lot of strategic issues that are embedded within MSR .

 

[ito]

We must not mix economy and investment with something which may have huge military implications like MSR .

There is no need for India to reciprocate on MSR .

we still have boundary dispute with china .

and we can't be sure of china's intention .

WE MUST NEVER FORGET THAT CHINA REMAINS OUR PRINCIPAL MILITARY ADVERSARY .
WE MUST NOT DO ANYTHING UNDER GARB OF SHORT TERM ECONOMIC BENIFITS TO UNDERMINE LONG TERM MILITRY ADVANTAGE >
DESPITE WEAKER NAVY INDIA HOLDS ADVANTAGE AGAINST CHINA IN IOR ...
WE MUST NOT FORFEIT THAT ADVANTAGE



China has huge amount of money .
Their oil supply passes through IOR. which INDIA can choke in event of war/ escalation bringing Chinese economy to standstill.
China is building 3 month long strategic reserve to counter that ...yet they need to secure sea lanes ...in event of protracted low intensity stand off .
They have lot of reasons to be in IOR.

But China is looking to pick up a fight with US and not with India. And in this US-China fight, China wants India to remain neutral. So it will do nothing to antagonize India, hence confrontation between India and China is remote and most likely all disputes between India and China will be settled in next 5 to 10 years.

But the way Chinese are going about to counter US influence is misplaced Chinese are spending money like water, as if it is free, to buy influence. If I were you, I would be watching the whole game between US and China and concentrate on India's development to rival China's

 

[Indo-guy]

 

[ito]

Chinese are not fools .

they have not reached the stage to challenge US just like that ...

There are lot of strategic issues that are embedded within MSR .

China is powerful and it is in the position to challenge US at least in economics.

Like it or not they are challenging US. AIIB is an example. Playing to the gallery is the best strategy India should follow. Let them last out each other.

 

[Indo-guy]

But China is looking to pick up a fight with US and not with India. And in this US-China fight, China wants India to remain neutral. So it will do nothing to antagonize India, hence confrontation between India and China is remote and most likely all disputes between India and China will be settled in next 5 to 10 years.

But the way Chinese are going about to counter US influence is misplaced Chinese are spending money like water, as if it is free, to buy influence. If I were you, I would be watching the whole game between US and China and concentrate on India's development to rival China's

India is seriously disadvantaged vis a vis in terms of Economy and military .

It is India and not US which has boundary disoute with China . China does not appear to be sincere in solving the boundary dispute . We have no bargaining chips .

We must not surrender our natural naval advantage in IOR to China .

We must insist acceptable solution to Boundary dispute as precondition to MSR ...

I have never said that India should pick fight with china .

 

[SelfServeFive]

India should boast to China about shupa powa! Then ask Anglo master what Hindus servant should do.

 

[Indo-guy]

China is powerful and it is in the position to challenge US at least in economics.

Like it or not they are challenging US. AIIB is an example. Playing to the gallery is the best strategy India should follow. Let them last out each other.

We can't ignore the fact China has been constantly upping ante vis a vis India recently ...

In last 50 years China never spoke of Arunachal pradesh and just since last 8 years it had made t a issue .

That alone speaks volumes about china's intention regarding boundary dispute .

We will have to settle the dispute at china's terms .

China has been arming Pakistan to teeth .

We must not forget that china is and china will remain our Principal adversary in foreseeable future .

 

[ito]

India is seriously disadvantaged vis a vis in terms of Economy and military .

It is India and not US which has boundary disoute with China . China does not appear to be sincere in solving the boundary dispute . We have no bargaining chips .

We must not surrender our natural naval advantage in IOR to China .

We must insist acceptable solution to Boundary dispute as precondition to MSR ...

I have never said that India should pick fight with china .

You are too pessimistic man!

The bargaining chips are with India. And we are not at seriously disadvantaged vis a vis China. India is at a sweet spot. No need to pick up a fight with China and loose our goals. As I said Chinese target in not India but US.