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HOW INDIA LOST 6 YEARS ON T-90 TANKS

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The poor rate of production and delivery has forced the Army and the defence ministry to rely on import of T-90 tanks from Russia.

New Delhi:
In a telling commentary on the state of affairs in India’s defence manufacturing, a defence ministry internal report has pointed out that the production of the Russian origin T-90 tanks, a mainstay of the country’s Armoured Corps, was delayed by six years on account of inability to translate documents from Russian to English.

This is one of the several systemic failings to indigenously manufacture the T-90 tanks listed in a 55-page internal report of the defence ministry prepared in May 2016 and now with the minister.

Shocking and bordering on the absurd is the finding that while India started receiving the documents from Russia in installments 2001 onwards, the translation could be completed only in 2007, a staggering six-year-long delay in absorbing transfer of technology (TOT) by India’s Heavy Vehicle Factory (HVF) in Avadi, Tamil Nadu, and the ordnance factory boards (OFB), commissioned to roll out the tanks.

The report says: “The documents were in Russian and OFB efforts to get these documents translated into English failed. These documents were received between September 2001 and January 2003 following which HVF Avadi concluded four contracts between September 2003 and September 2006 for translation of these documents. The documents were completed by July 2007 after the expiry of scheduled delivery period of the first phase of 15 indigenous tanks by 2006-07. Thus translation of TOT documents from Russian to English language took almost six years.”

The report also states that though ordered to manufacture 945 T-90 tanks for the Indian Army, HVF/OFBs could churn out only 227 tanks by 2014-15 — less than 25 per cent of the target in 13 years. This despite the fact that the OFB failed substantially to indigenise and even now 70 per cent of the material (by value) is being imported. Indigenous production of T-90 tanks was to start in 2003-04.

“Due to serious slippages in production and delivery targets, HVF has been able to deliver only 227 tanks as against 945 tanks ordered by the Army and against their own cumulative capacity of 1,300 tanks (from 2003 to 2016) …As such HVF has been able to utilise only 25 per cent of their production capacity in the last 13 years,” the report says.

The poor rate of production and delivery has forced the Army and the defence ministry to rely on import of T-90 tanks from Russia. While the cost of an imported T-90 tank works out to Rs 14 crore apiece, the average cost of production and supply of a T-90 within India is at least Rs 21 crore, the report adds.

On November 7, the defence ministry had okayed the purchase of 464 T-90 tanks at a cost of Rs 13,448 crore under the “Buy Indian” basis from the HVF/OFBs. All tanks are produced at HVF, a dedicated departmental undertaking.

Defence minister Manohar Parrikar is understood to have asked state-owned PSUs to put their act together. At an event a few months ago, Mr Parrikar had slammed the work culture at PSUs and had asked them to step out of the “cocoon of comfort”.

The report also points out that TOT documents in respect of some critical assemblies were not transferred by the original manufacturers even after a lapse of 12 years, that is till July 2013. An important component was the T-90 gun system for which the design was not received till May 2014.

India has a mix of T-72, T-90 and Arjun tanks. After nearly three decades of relying on Russia-made T-72 tanks, 2000 onwards the government decided to gradually substitute T-72 tanks with the next generation T-90 in the Army’s tank regiments, as the DRDO-made main battle tank (MBT) Arjun was only reluctantly and partially accepted by the Army. T-90 continues to be the mainstay.

The government’s overall objective has been to import a few number of tanks and produce the bulk balance within the country through the dedicated PSUs.

http://www.asianage.com/india/all-i...ive-how-india-lost-6-years-on-t-90-tanks.html
 
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While the cost of an imported T-90 tank works out to Rs 14 crore apiece, the average cost of production and supply of a T-90 within India is at least Rs 21 crore

WTH !!! What's the point of indigenous production in this case ??!! :o:

In entire world, indigenous production is ALWAYS cost effective than imported goods. It appears to be opposite in case of India!!:blink:
 
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Thankfully, T-90 tankproduction has increased to 140/year.
We have around 1050 T-90s now
 
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In a telling commentary on the state of affairs in India’s defence manufacturing, a defence ministry internal report has pointed out that the production of the Russian origin T-90 tanks, a mainstay of the country’s Armoured Corps, was delayed by six years on account of inability to translate documents from Russian to English.

Why Russian to English?

Don't you guys have your own language?

Hindi no good at all??

Am I right in assuming that Indians can't do maths, science etc without English?

If true, Why?

If really true, really pathetic!!!
 
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In a telling commentary on the state of affairs in India’s defence manufacturing, a defence ministry internal report has pointed out that the production of the Russian origin T-90 tanks, a mainstay of the country’s Armoured Corps, was delayed by six years on account of inability to translate documents from Russian to English.

Why Russian to English?

Don't you guys have your own language?

Hindi no good at all??

Am I right in assuming that Indians can't do maths, science etc without English?

If true, Why?

If really true, really pathetic!!!
India is a country united by English.
 
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In a telling commentary on the state of affairs in India’s defence manufacturing, a defence ministry internal report has pointed out that the production of the Russian origin T-90 tanks, a mainstay of the country’s Armoured Corps, was delayed by six years on account of inability to translate documents from Russian to English.

Why Russian to English?

Don't you guys have your own language?

Hindi no good at all??

Am I right in assuming that Indians can't do maths, science etc without English?

If true, Why?

If really true, really pathetic!!!

You do know,anyone can detect your troll attempts,though it failed.

India has some 18 "Official Languages".But everyone understands English. And thats why English dominates entire world.
 
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That article is woefully short on reality.

Yes the indigenous production suffered for years and years, but not because of translation issues as the article ridiculously states, but because the Russians were very tardy in TOT for their own benefit.

This, admiral gorshkov and the MKI serviceability rate were the main reasons India decided to diversify away from exclusive dependence on Russians.

Also the cost of indigenously produced T90s is calculated differently and hence not comparable with the cost of imports.
 
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India has some 18 "Official Languages".But everyone understands English.
Really? :o:

In reality only 12% of India understand English.
They are the elite, a new caste.

Imagine living in a nation where you, a member of the majority, are unable to read the label of the medicine you must give your child, the menu at a local restaurant or even the warning signs of the road; a place where you are unable to comprehend the government document officiating your driver’s license, tax filing or marriage. This is the world that hundreds of millions of Indians live in simply because the elite prefer English.

Read more....
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspi...h-the-english-language-in-india/#49fb7ac337be
 
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In a telling commentary on the state of affairs in India’s defence manufacturing, a defence ministry internal report has pointed out that the production of the Russian origin T-90 tanks, a mainstay of the country’s Armoured Corps, was delayed by six years on account of inability to translate documents from Russian to English.

Why Russian to English?

Don't you guys have your own language?

TL/DR version: We have 22 national languages. You jelly?

Longer version:

We have 22 official national languages, from among 122 major spoken languages. We have about 1599 minor spoken languages. There are at least 30 languages spoken by over a million people, and 122 languages spoken by over 10,000 people. We are home to several major language families, the Indo-Aryan and Dravidian being the major ones (spoken by 75% and 20% of the population respectively). Further enriching our admirable diversity are Austro-Asiatic, Sino-Tibetan, Tai-Kidai and other language families.

You do know,anyone can detect your troll attempts,though it failed.

India has some 18 "Official Languages".But everyone understands English. And thats why English dominates entire world.

India has 22 national languages. (8th schedule of the Indian constitution.)
 
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Really? :o:

In reality only 12% of India understand English.
They are the elite, a new caste.

Imagine living in a nation where you, a member of the majority, are unable to read the label of the medicine you must give your child, the menu at a local restaurant or even the warning signs of the road; a place where you are unable to comprehend the government document officiating your driver’s license, tax filing or marriage. This is the world that hundreds of millions of Indians live in simply because the elite prefer English.

Read more....
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspi...h-the-english-language-in-india/#49fb7ac337be
b.s.
All the above such as prescription, menus, road signs, tax documents are available in all vernacular languages.
But in this case for tank manuals we do not need it any other language other than English because the all the ones using them are versed in English and come from all over India with many different mother tongues.
 
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Am I right in assuming that Indians can't do maths, science etc without English?

If true, Why?

If really true, really pathetic!!!



I'll tell you why. India, just like your country China, did not develop an industrial base and scientific literacy the same time that Europe or Japan did. England, France, Japan, Russia etc developed an industrial base when our countries couldn't, due to historic reasons.

Hence there was a lot of scientific literature written in English and Japanese and French, but not in Chinese or Hindi or Telugu.

All major scientific and mathemathic publications today are still written in a few languages, for these reasons. One of my professors had a very lucrative side business in translating scientific journals into Chinese.



BTW, "doing" science and math is different from reading scientific and mathematical literature. The former is an activity, a practice. I hope you understood this distinction when you made your post.


Really? :o:

In reality only 12% of India understand English.
They are the elite, a new caste.

Imagine living in a nation where you, a member of the majority, are unable to read the label of the medicine you must give your child, the menu at a local restaurant or even the warning signs of the road; a place where you are unable to comprehend the government document officiating your driver’s license, tax filing or marriage. This is the world that hundreds of millions of Indians live in simply because the elite prefer English.

Read more....
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspi...h-the-english-language-in-india/#49fb7ac337be

I'll be charitable and assume that you haven't actually stepped foot in India. If you had, you would know that all govt documents are written in at least the local language, and usually another two.


"Imagine living in a nation.."

Yea, that's what happens when you "imagine" things you are incapable of imagining. If you don't know anything about a place, don't try to imagine it. Unless your brain is really capable of imagination - which clearly, it isn't.

b.s.
All the above such as prescription, menus, road signs, tax documents are available in all vernacular languages.
But in this case for tank manuals we do not need it any other language other than English because the all the ones using them are versed in English and come from all over India with many different mother tongues.

The poor fellow @Nan Yang was attempting to "imagine" things far beyond the imaginative powers of her brain, and sympathize with those poor Indians who (according to her) lived in a world where they could not even read their medicince labels, because the "elite" forced English down their throats.

Little does she know how foolish her post appears to any Indian.
 
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Really? :o:

In reality only 12% of India understand English.
They are the elite, a new caste.

Imagine living in a nation where you, a member of the majority, are unable to read the label of the medicine you must give your child, the menu at a local restaurant or even the warning signs of the road; a place where you are unable to comprehend the government document officiating your driver’s license, tax filing or marriage. This is the world that hundreds of millions of Indians live in simply because the elite prefer English.

Read more....
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspi...h-the-english-language-in-india/#49fb7ac337be

The writer possibly doesn't have any idea what he was talking about.

Yes,a lot of Indians can't speak in flawless English,even many educated ones.But They know English and English is undoubtedly the best means to communicate across India.

Elite my @$$ as even Rikshawalas can understand English and even in broken English they can communicate.

In India,you can ask any educated person about 3 languages he knows,English will be among those in atleast 90% of cases.

And in most engineering sector,English is preferable as we're accustomed to study all these engineering terms in English and if someone convert it to Hindi and Bengali,it not only makes funny,also extremely confusing.

I once studied a C language book in Bengali(which is my mother tongue).I wished I didn't.For quality books,you'll have to go for Western Writers.Pride of "National Language" is one thing.Acquiring knowledge is another.
 
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India started receiving the documents from Russia in installments 2001 onwards, the translation could be completed only in 2007

That's because Google Translate was released in 2007. Doh.
 
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Once the translation was done, they left out important sections of the tech transfer, without telling India ahead of time. That's when IA paniced and went to DRDO and industry to rectify the problem, ironically.

It's these type of games Russians keep playing which lead them to keep losing new contracts.

The BMP replacement will not be Russian. The 155mm/52cal tracked artillery they lost to the Koreans. And the T90/72 replacement, I bet wont be Russian, either. Unless they partner with a private firm like Reliance.
 
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