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How Could India’s IITs Do so Badly in a Global Ranking of Engineering Schools? - India Real Time - WSJ

How Could India’s IITs Do so Badly in a Global Ranking of Engineering Schools?
12:23 pm IST
Oct 13, 2015
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Indian engineering students during a competition organized by the Department of Electronic Systems Engineering and the Indian Institute of Science in Bangalore, Apr. 2015.
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They have nurtured some of Silicon Valley’s leading lights but Indian institutions feature just eight times among a recently-compiled list of the world’s top 250 engineering schools.

The highest ranked, the Indian Institute of Technology in Delhi, came in at 103rd place on the U.S. News and World Report ranking published last week.

The league table put China’s Tsinghua University top, ahead of Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Stanford University.

The others from India — all IITs apart from the Indian Institute of Science Bangalore and Jadvapur University in Kolkata – placed between 169th and 229th.

Universities were graded on 12 indicators, including the number of academic research papers produced, citations given and Ph.D.s awarded. This is the first year Indian schools have been included in the engineering-specific rankings.

The Indian engineering schools have produced some stellar engineering graduates. For instance, IIT Kharagpur, ranked 171, counts Google CEO Sundar Pichai among its metallurgical engineering graduates.

Satya Nadella, Microsoft CEO, earned his electrical engineering degree from Manipal Institute of Technology, which didn’t make it into the rankings.

So why don’t these schools do better internationally?

Experts attribute the low rankings to a lack of focus on research and the high student-to-faculty ratio among other things.

In the Quacquarelli Symonds’ global university rankings, published in September, Indian schools gained ground this year — IIT Delhi climbed 56 spots to the 179th rank and the Indian Institute of Science ranked 147th—but they were the only ones to make it into the top 200.

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Indian institutes also lose ground in rankings because they enroll only a small cohort of foreign students, mostly in post graduate and research programs, and also have very small international faculties.

In IIT Delhi, for instance, the size of international faculty was only about 1% of its total teaching staff of more than 400. At MIT, which led the QS ranking, international staff members made up more than 55% of the total faculty. At the National University of Singapore, the top-ranking Asian university on the QS list, more than 60% of the staff were international.

IIT Chennai, in south India, enrolled its first international student in an undergraduate program last year.

Despite these advances, some, including Narayan Murthy, founder of Infosys Ltd., one of India’s largest outsourcing firms, remain skeptical of the quality of education at domestic institutions. Mr. Murthy is an alumnus of IIT Kanpur.

“Let us pause and ask what the contributions of Indian institutions of higher learning particularly IISc (Indian Institute of Science) and IITs, have been over the last 60-plus years to make our society and the world a better place,” Mr. Murthy was reported as saying during a speech in July at the Indian Institute of Science.

“Is there one invention from India that has become a household name in the globe? Is there one technology that has transformed the productivity of global corporations?” he said. “Folks, the reality is that there is no such contribution from India in the last 60 years.”

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“Is there one invention from India that has become a household name in the globe? Is there one technology that has transformed the productivity of global corporations?” he said. “Folks, the reality is that there is no such contribution from India in the last 60 years.”
This sums it all, india has no positive contribution to planet earth.
 
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This sums it all, india has no positive contribution to planet earth.

lol one post is enough to derail an entire thread. Don’t troll there has been contributions but what is being spoken of is a solution that is a household name.

In that case we have not come up with any in the last 60 years.
 
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Tell Indians that,Global ratings will get them better forigen jobs and its a must,then people will start complaining why Indians are every where.
 
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India has not offered anything meaningful to humanity as of yet apart from bollywood soft p*o*r*n.

Engineering and creativity abilities is a myth. Not being able to produce military hardware by themselves is an indication of their engineering bankruptcy.
 
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Ignoring the obvious trolls-

The quality of students at the top IITs are as good as anywhere in the world. The standard of education is also good. However there are at least 150-200 universities in the US alone with better infrastructure than any of the IITs. That is where the IITs severely lag behind.
 
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India has not offered anything meaningful to humanity as of yet apart from bollywood soft p*o*r*n.

Engineering and creativity abilities is a myth. Not being able to produce military hardware by themselves is an indication of their engineering bankruptcy.


No, you are trying to confuse. India is a knowledge superpower. Ancient India invented teleportation, space travel, genetic engineering, gravity manipulation, plastic surgery and many advanced technologies.

The IITs are currently tasked with rediscovering these advanced ancient technologies. I have no doubt that by 2020, the IITs will be ranked at the top due to replicating ancient Vedic technologies.
 
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IITs are not able to do better in these ranking because of the methodology used. They give high weightage to international faculty, international exposure, and most importantly research papers published. IITs lag behind in such useless parameters.

IITs are not full fledged universities, subject wise ranking would tell that they easily figure in top 10.

Anyway, People joining IITs don't care about these rankings, what they care about is their placement after graduation and in terms of placements some IITs can easily figure in top 5 technical institutes of the world

4 IIT-Kanpur students turn down Rs 1 crore per annum offers - The Times of India

IIT-Indore student gets Rs 1.7 crore job offer from Google - The Times of India

IITian accepts Infosys’ 6 crore job offer, Infy in utter shock | The UnReal Times

Oracle offers Rs2.03 crore job package to Varanasi IIT student : News

IIT Pre-Placements salaries cross Rs 1 Crore | Techlabs

Four IIT-Kanpur Students Turn Down Rs 1 Crore Salary Offers - NDTVProfit.com

Looking at these statistics its not hard to understand why people die to get admission in IITs and IIMs
 
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IITs are not able to do better in these ranking because of the methodology used. They give high weightage to international faculty, international exposure, international students and most importantly research papers published. IITs lag behind in such useless parameters.

IITs are not full fledged universities, subject wise ranking would tell that they easily figure in top 10.

Anyway, People joining IITs don't care about these rankings, what they care about is their placement after graduation and in terms of placements some IITs can easily figure in top 5 technical institutes of the world

4 IIT-Kanpur students turn down Rs 1 crore per annum offers - The Times of India

IIT-Indore student gets Rs 1.7 crore job offer from Google - The Times of India

IITian accepts Infosys’ 6 crore job offer, Infy in utter shock | The UnReal Times

Oracle offers Rs2.03 crore job package to Varanasi IIT student : News

IIT Pre-Placements salaries cross Rs 1 Crore | Techlabs

Four IIT-Kanpur Students Turn Down Rs 1 Crore Salary Offers - NDTVProfit.com

Looking at these statistics its not hard to understand why people die to get admission in IITs and IIMs


You are very true!

The IITs are the only colleges where you can learn the secrets of Vedic technologies such as quantum teleportation, fusion power, genetic engineering, space travel, and gravity manipulation.
 
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No, you are trying to confuse. India is a knowledge superpower. Ancient India invented teleportation, space travel, genetic engineering, gravity manipulation, plastic surgery and many advanced technologies.

The IITs are currently tasked with rediscovering these advanced ancient technologies. I have no doubt that by 2020, the IITs will be ranked at the top due to replicating ancient Vedic technologies.

But they will not go to some other countries for cheating exams

8,000 Chinese students were expelled from US universities last year, mostly for cheating and bad grades - Quartz

List of ethnic groups in the United States by household income - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why US not giving higher income for chinese !
 
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You are very true!

The IITs are the only colleges where you can learn the secrets of Vedic technologies such as quantum teleportation, fusion power, genetic engineering, space travel, and gravity manipulation.
and also you can earn in crores during campus placement at IITs...something that Pakistani students can only have wed dreams of.

oh by the way, Pakistani do have campus placement programs with likes of ISIS, Al-qaeda, etc recruiting in huge numbers :lol:
 
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Global rankings are all about knowing the process of how to be ranked number one. Ranking have less to do with the real quality of education provided by the institute. Ranking is all about managing scores across different parameters.
 
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This sums it all, india has no positive contribution to planet earth.

Indians in the US make the most because they studied the most - Quartz

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Indian Americans are the richest ethnic group in the United States, earning a median income of $100,547 in 2013, according to data from the U.S. Census Bureau. Compare that to $51,939, which was the median income for all Americans during the same period.

Many Indian Americans are recent arrivals to the United States. In 2010, more than 87 percent of Indian-American adults were foreign born, which might help explain their current success.

“Immigrants are more likely than the native born to hold a BA [bachelor's degree] and they’re much more likely than the native born to hold a higher degree like a master’s degree,” said Leah Platt Boustan, an associate professor of economics at the University of California, Los Angeles, who has studied immigration patterns.

Americans of Indian descent do follow that pattern. They are among the most highly educated ethnic groups in the U.S. In 2010, 70 percent of those aged 25 and older had college degrees. Almost one-third (28 percent) of Indian Americans work in science and engineering fields, according to the 2013 American Community Survey and the Pew Research Center.

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This US Ethnic Group Makes the Most Money « All About America
 
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Simple- Indian Institutions are considered training schools and not research bases. This is a very common aatitude in society from time of Independence. No rankings will matter to parents or students as long as they get high paying jobs (which they will continue to get).
 
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Google offers Rs. 1.7 crore salary package to IIT- Indore student - The Hindu

A 21-year-old B-Tech student of IIT Indore has bagged a job with Google at an annual salary package of Rs. 1.7 crore, one of the highest packages offered by the US-based internet giant during campus placements at the premier institutes.

Gaurav Agarwal, a student of B-Tech final year in Computer Science and Engineering, has accepted the attractive offer made by Google, a spokesperson of the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Indore told PTI on Monday.

The offer by Google to the young student is one of the highest salary packages offered during campus placements at IITs across the country, she said.

A delighted Agarwal, who hails from a middle-class family of Bhilai in Chhattisgarh, said his academic session with IIT-I will end in May 2015 and thereafter, he will join Google’s office at California.

He said he has not yet got a specific joining date.

Agarwal said he had taken an online test at IIT-I for getting employed with Google. After passing the test, he was called at the company’s office in Gurgaon for an interview which he also cleared.

IIT-Indore, which commenced its first academic session in 2009, is among the leading technological institutes in the country.

Facebook offers IIT-Bombay girl Rs 2 crore package - Times of India

Can you believe Rs 20 million/annum for a 20 year old IIT girl !
 
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