How an independent country benefits (India gets oil at a $35 discount) vs a country where everyone is on sale.

[Patriot forever]

After almost 75 years, Pakistan doesn't have a properly functioning steel mill
or airline
or world class university
or high speed rail
or urban metro/subway system
or anything high tech outside the military

Some of us were hoping that Imran Khan would bring a change after 75 years of corruption, but all that happened was that his government replaced corruption with abject incompetence.

The railway system in Pakistan is still the colonial era dinosaur, while India is building high speed rail and dozens of urban metros. India's rail system is being upgraded by Japan, not India, but China would be more than willing to do the same for Pakistan, if it had a competent government for once in its life.

In IK government all our refineries have started expansion and upgrades which were decades old which will save us a ton on importing value added products like petrol/diesel.

Rest we can't afford metro/subway systems as our economy was not able to afford to build or sustain them.
How much subsidies does the punjab government have to pay to sustain lahore metro?

If your metric for measuring competence is metro/subways than I can't help you.

You need a stronger sustainable economy and this is where IK served Pakistan the most.

 

[Maula Jatt]

After almost 75 years, Pakistan doesn't have a properly functioning steel mill
or airline
or world class university
or high speed rail
or urban metro/subway system
or anything high tech outside the military

Some of us were hoping that Imran Khan would bring a change after 75 years of corruption, but all that happened was that his government replaced corruption with abject incompetence.

The railway system in Pakistan is still the colonial era dinosaur, while India is building high speed rail and dozens of urban metros. India's rail system is being upgraded by Japan, not India, but China would be more than willing to do the same for Pakistan, if it had a competent government for once in its life.

have B,C (although not Ivy league world class but can compete with islamic world outside of Iran, Turkey) , D- in plans and happening A- used to have it now deteriorated but couple steel mills will open up in couple years E- have it but we should not go all out, outside of dense areas as its expensive this is not needed as we are not as densly populated like rest of SA

 

[Mentee]

isn't IK in power rn
was he negotiating cheap yuan-based gas? (btw your title attracting a lot of Indians look below )

Ab is ka koi jvab nahi hai

Saary teen sal kia kia?

How much subsidies does the punjab government have to pay to sustain lahore metro?

I believe same as Peshawar or Karachi metro

 

[Indos]

Another stupid and stubborn behavior after the previous Iran demand to get assurance of US if US is lead by some one like Trump


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Iran nuclear talks at stalemate over terrorism issue​

By Karen DeYoung
Today at 7:00 p.m. EDT


Tehran’s demand that the United States lift its designation of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps as a foreign terrorist organization, and U.S. refusal so far to do that, have brought the year-long negotiations over reviving the Iran nuclear deal to a halt, with no new meetings scheduled and little obvious room for compromise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/04/01/iran-nuclear-deal-terrorism/

 

[Patriot forever]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1510135430028701699

See the evidence yourself if someone doubts what I said in OP.

 

[WotTen]

Imran Khan gets three years in his administration with pressuring world economy environment like Covid, and then high energy and commodities prices.

Parliamentary system has weakness in that kind of situation, it is not exclusive Pakistani condition, even Malaysia politics has also become a victim, one of their PM also get kick out by parliament after failing to deal with both Covid and Economy. Malaysia GDP growth was minus 6.6 percent in 2020 and only about growing at 3.2 % in 2021.

I am sure he understood the realities of the Parliamentary system. After 22 years of trying outside the system, he knew he would have to hold his nose and make compromises to work with corrupt 'electables'.

However, my criticism is about his other appointments -- Zulfi Bukhari, Usman Buzdar, etc. -- which he made of his own free will and which were disastrous choices. He made it a personal ego issue to defend them despite bad performance. It is a character flaw and it's not a big deal. He is human like the rest of us, so it is unfair to demand that one person should fix an entire system that is rotten from top to bottom and which has been growing almost 75 years.

In IK government all our refineries have started expansion and upgrades which were decades old which will save us a ton on importing value added products like petrol/diesel.

Rest we can't afford metro/subway systems as our economy was not able to afford to build or sustain them.
How much subsidies does the punjab government have to pay to sustain lahore metro?

If your metric for measuring competence is metro/subways than I can't help you.

You need a stronger sustainable economy and this is where IK served Pakistan the most.

Pakistan's economy is plenty strong. The problem is that the money is in the hands of the corrupt mafias -- the industrial robber barons, the feudal land mafias, the corrupt bureaucracy. They own the Parliament, any Parliament. They avoid paying income tax, capital gains tax, they give themselves massive government subsidies, and make sure there is no accountability, no audit, nothing.

If we ever get a strong federal government that orders the tax department to go full force against these thieves, you can be sure we will be able to afford every luxury the West enjoys.

 

[WotTen]

have B,C (although not Ivy league world class but can compete with islamic world outside of Iran, Turkey) , D- in plans and happening A- used to have it now deteriorated but couple steel mills will open up in couple years E- have it but we should not go all out, outside of dense areas as its expensive this is not needed as we are not as densly populated like rest of SA

PIA used to be world class in the 70s, no more.

Comparing ourselves to universities in the Islamic world is a joke in itself. Islamic world is a basket case when it comes to science and technology.

High speed rail in plans? Sure. Will believe it when I see it. Even Australia has been planning high speed rail for decades. The countries that want something done get it done. They don't plan and plan and plan...

Finally, urban metro is a necessity to reduce pollution and improve quality of life. I can't think of any modern city in the developed world which doesn't have a metro (except US, but there is another powerful lobby killing metro there.)

 

[Wood]

One important detail that people often over look in this topic: Why does India not buy a lot of oil from Russia before the war? Why buy most of India's oil from Middle East when there were no sanctions on Russia before?

It is because of the cost of transportation that adds to the overall cost of oil purchase from Russia. I don't know how this cost compares to the discount offered by Russia. Also have to consider how expensive it can be for India to tune it's refinery for Russian crude that is offered.

While the discount may be tangible enough for India to flirt with Western sanctions, it may not be as deep as we may believe.

 

[Indos]

One important detail that people often over look in this topic: Why does India not buy a lot of oil from Russia before the war? Why buy most of India's oil from Middle East when there were no sanctions on Russia before?

It is because of the cost of transportation that adds to the overall cost of oil purchase from Russia. I don't know how this cost compares to the discount offered by Russia. Also have to consider how expensive it can be for India to tune it's refinery for Russian crude that is offered.

While the discount may be tangible enough for India to flirt with Western sanctions, it may not be as deep as we may believe.

Look on my first post showing Reuters news, not all refinery can process Russian oil. India has bought Russian oil since long time ago but only 6 % of total import. Yep transportation cost that make India prefers Gulf oil while European prefer Russian oil is also due to transportation cost.

Majority of Indian refinery is like Indonesian refinery, specializing in oil coming from Gulf. Despite so, one of our refineries gets major upgrade than can get many kind of oil starting in May, including Russian oil.

Very Large Oil tankers I believe can make the discount price is still very competitive. If Indian oil company also has tankers division, rather than using other company oil tankers, then it is still worth it

 

[Wood]

Look on my first post showing Reuters news, not all refinery can process Russian oil. India has bought Russian oil since long time ago but only 6 % of total import. Yep transportation cost that make India prefers Gulf oil while European prefer Russian oil is also due to transportation cost.

Majority of Indian refinery is like Indonesian refinery, specializing in oil coming from Gulf. Despite so, one of our refineries gets major upgrade than can get many kind of oil starting in May, including Russian oil.

Very Large Oil tankers I believe can make the discount price is still very competitive. If Indian oil company also has tankers division, rather than using other company oil tankers, then it is still worth it

I know that Canadian crude (from oil sands) is very heavy and needs expensive refinery. I hope the Russian oil is not that bad.

 

[cssniper]

Independence itself is the trophy.
Nonetheless I think China and Russia should help Pakistan to get through the hard time.
Pakistan's ecnomic is so vulnerable to the US, what IK did is bold but indiscreet.
The army has turned aside from him, they have their own relation with the US as we all know.

 

[HAIDER]

Russia Offers $35 Discount on Oil to India

Russia is offering its flagship Urals grade oil to India at discounts of as much as $35 a barrel on prices before the war as mounting international pressure lowers the appetite for its barrels elsewhere following the invasion of Ukraine, according to people with knowledge of the matter. The...

www.bloomberg.com

Ag har Pakistani ka sar sharam say duba hua hai. This is what happens when a CIA asset holds the top security establishment post in a country.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1509988054802518017

No one wants Pakistan a debt free nation. A chain of slavery, they give you loans to buy expensive oil. So, they keep survive on your high rate of interest on loans.

 

[Enigma SIG]

After almost 75 years, Pakistan doesn't have a properly functioning steel mill
or airline
or world class university
or high speed rail
or urban metro/subway system
or anything high tech outside the military

Some of us were hoping that Imran Khan would bring a change after 75 years of corruption, but all that happened was that his government replaced corruption with abject incompetence.

The railway system in Pakistan is still the colonial era dinosaur, while India is building high speed rail and dozens of urban metros. India's rail system is being upgraded by Japan, not India, but China would be more than willing to do the same for Pakistan, if it had a competent government for once in its life.

Another 75 years of beghairti coming up!