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[ChineseTiger1986]

are they HKers or Mainlands bused in?

HKers, they use traditional Chinese script instead of the simplified one.

They speak Mandarin with a Cantonese accent. Most native Cantonese speakers can also speak Mandarin.

The western media will never show these assaults on elderly and female pro-govt protestors. Shocking.

Those paid rioters have caused havoc across the whole city, that's why so many neutral people are now standing up against those foreign backed shills.

Initially, those neutral folks were not necessarily pro-Beijing.

Those rioters have gone too far and pushed the neutral side to the pro-Beijing camp.

 

[S10]

Some idiots on the so called "pan-democratic" side is calling for foreign sanctions against HK police. They're asking US and Europe not to sell police equipment. That is the stupidest thing I've heard all week. If HK police is cut off from foreign suppliers, guess where they're gonna buy their stuff from? That's right, mainland China. In that case, they're going to have inter-operable equipment with police forces in mainland and similar training/doctrine to go with that. If they had used their brains at least a little, they wouldn't make such short sighted demands.

 

[Nan Yang]

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It's from a pro-CCP newspaper. It thinks having a banner of 'democracy' is 假爱国，天理不容, cockroaches. That's how it thinks.

Ok they should have known that the black banner

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It's from a pro-CCP newspaper. It thinks having a banner of 'democracy' is 假爱国，天理不容, cockroaches. That's how it thinks.

Surprised that 文匯報 didn't know the black banner was from the night before. Even I knew as it was reported in another paper.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Some idiots on the so called "pan-democratic" side is calling for foreign sanctions against HK police. They're asking US and Europe not to sell police equipment. That is the stupidest thing I've heard all week. If HK police is cut off from foreign suppliers, guess where they're gonna buy their stuff from? That's right, mainland China. In that case, they're going to have inter-operable equipment with police forces in mainland and similar training/doctrine to go with that. If they had used their brains at least a little, they wouldn't make such short sighted demands.

Anti-China HKers are low IQ idiots which is understandable.

But I just don't get how those US elites could be so naive by believing that creating havoc in HK could bring down CPC.

Their plan has now been completely backfired as CPC's approval rating among the Mainlanders is higher than ever, and the existence of the HK oligarchs/fifth columns are now seriously under threat.

The US elites don't understand their biggest enemy at all.

They are going to repeat the same failure of the Ming Dynasty.

 

[S10]

Anti-China HKers are low IQ idiots which is understandable.

But I just don't get how those US elites could be so naive that creating havoc in HK could bring down CPC.

Their plan has now been completely backfired as CPC's approval rating among the Mainlanders is higher than ever, and the existence of the HK oligarchs/fifth columns are now seriously under threat.

China trusted the HK business sector to govern the city, but that obviously backfired. The wealthy elites in HK are detached from economic and social realities faced by the working and middle class. That discontent got exploited by the "pan-democratic" parties, and directed their anger at Beijing instead of the oligarchs themselves. The oligarchs themselves are funding some of these fringe elements too. They want to be able to do business in China, while keeping out of Beijing's reach.

A lesson from HK is that economic development based on real estate and finance is a recipe for social disaster. The cities in China need to learn from this carefully.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

China trusted the HK business sector to govern the city, but that obviously backfired. The wealthy elites in HK are detached from economic and social realities faced by the working and middle class. That discontent got exploited by the "pan-democratic" parties, and directed their anger at Beijing instead of the oligarchs themselves. The oligarchs themselves are funding some of these fringe elements too. They want to be able to do business in China, while keeping out of Beijing's reach.

A lesson from HK is that economic development based on real estate and finance is a recipe for social disaster. The cities in China need to learn from this carefully.

The short-sightness of Deng Xiaoping had caused this mess.

Xi Jinping is going to correct this mistake right now. The days of those HK oligarchs are numbered.

Li Ka Shing will be the first, since he has lost $26.5 billion in Canada's Husky Energy which is a huge deadly blow to his financial empire.

Pretty sure that Li will be the first oligarch to be destroyed.

 

[S10]

The short-sightness of Deng Xiaoping had caused this mess.

Xi Jinping is going to correct this mistake right now. The days of those HK oligarchs are numbered.

Li Ka Shing will be the first, since he has lost $26.5 billion in Canada's Husky Energy which is a huge deadly blow to his financial empire.

Pretty sure that Li will be the first oligarch to be destroyed.

Hindsight is always 20/20. I wouldn't say Deng Xiaoping was short-sighted. He did what he thought was right at the time. Truth is that China never had a good connection with the working class of Hong Kong since the 1960's. Nobody can predict what happens 30 years into the future. The oligarchs won't be destroyed, but their influence will be diminished. I think Beijing has recognized that these guys are playing both sides.

I could actually sympathize with some of the protesters initially until they turned into a mindless mob. The youth of HK are underpaid and underemployed, while suffering from the most expensive real estate in the world. The place has been a pressure cooker for a while.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Hindsight is always 20/20. I wouldn't say Deng Xiaoping was short-sighted. He did what he thought was right at the time. Truth is that China never had a good connection with the working class of Hong Kong since the 1960's. Nobody can predict what happens 30 years into the future. The oligarchs won't be destroyed, but their influence will be diminished. I think Beijing has recognized that these guys are playing both sides.

I could actually sympathize with some of the protesters initially until they turned into a mindless mob. The youth of HK are underpaid and underemployed, while suffering from the most expensive real estate in the world. The place has been a pressure cooker for a while.

This city has no future.

Without the support from CPC, HK's oligarchs cannot last long, since they were also treated as the expendable pawns by the WASP elites.

Li Ka Shing is HK's most powerful oligarch, and he is on the verge of bankruptcy, yet his white masters won't come to his rescue.

 

[S10]

This city has no future.

Without the support from CPC, HK's oligarchs cannot last long, since they were also treated as the expendable pawns by the WASP elites.

Li Ka Shing is HK's most powerful oligarch, and he is on the verge of bankruptcy, yet his white masters won't come to his rescue.

It had a lot of potential, but impotent HK administrations squandered that away in the last 20 years. The more I observe HK, the more I am convinced that the city is poorly governed despite impressive GDP numbers. Every major economic initiatives and national security laws that were proposed had been squashed by the "pan-democratic" parties. Of course, the real estate and finance oligarchs had a hand in those protests when their interest were threatened. Those initiatives and national security laws would have guaranteed Hong Kong's unrivaled status and society stability for decades had they succeeded. I think Beijing will simply ignore HK from now on, with Shanghai, Shenzhen and Guangzhou taking all the spotlight in the coming years.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

It had a lot of potential, but impotent HK administrations squandered that away in the last 20 years. The more I observe HK, the more I am convinced that the city is poorly governed despite impressive GDP numbers. Every major economic initiatives and national security laws that were proposed had been squashed by the "pan-democratic" parties. Of course, the real estate and finance oligarchs had a hand in those protests when their interest were threatened. Those initiatives and national security laws would have guaranteed Hong Kong's unrivaled status and society stability for decades had they succeeded. I think Beijing will simply ignore HK from now on, with Shanghai, Shenzhen and Guangzhou taking all the spotlight in the coming years.

Most HKers have this superstitious belief about the capitalistic illusion created by the WASP.

They are their own biggest enemy.

Only if HKers start to see the socialism with Chinese characteristics as the future, it will become a turning point.

If the majority HKers demand to implement the one country one system policy, the salvation could be happening for HK.

Otherwise, no way out for these living fossils.

 

[Mista]

Who care about those stupid newspaper. Even if those people really protest, but they're simply protesting. At least they still think that China is their own motherland. It's different to Joshua Wong protesters who are basically separatists.

Wen Wei Po is a Hong Kong-based Chinese language newspaper, first established in Shanghai in January 1938, with the Hong Kong version launched on 9 September 1948.

The paper is state-owned, controlled by the Liaison Office of the Central Government.
The publishers of Wen Wei Po aim to support the official mainland Chinese Xinhua News Agency in reporting the latest mainland developments.

Basically it's the mouthpiece of the CCP in HK, which means to say it's not just a 'stupid newspaper'.

And I agree with you, even if they are protesting they are simply protesting for democracy. But nope, that's the perspective of us outsiders. To the central government, championing democracy=championing for independence, traitor, cockroach.

 

[Brainsucker]

Basically it's the mouthpiece of the CCP in HK, which means to say it's not just a 'stupid newspaper'.

And I agree with you, even if they are protesting they are simply protesting for democracy. But nope, that's the perspective of us outsiders. To the central government, championing democracy=championing for independence, traitor, cockroach.

Hongkong has miss their chance to get democracy. Some years ago, when Beijing were still more lenient and cooperative, and offered them to choose between 2 candidates that chosen by CCP, they were refused. And insisted to get more than Beijing could compromised. That problem influence Beijing in their opinion about democracy. Thus seeing Pro Democracy faction in more bad light.

With the time flow and the situation between US and China worsen, Beijing become more and more harder to compromise. That's because they feel threatened (by US aggressive political move). That's why today protests to get democracy will be pointless. Because Beijing is no longer lenient, nor cooperative to any democracy movement, made by Hongkong pro democracy faction. Specially when they have seen this movement as a threat.

If, they accepted Beijing offer to choose 2 candidate that prepared by Beijing some years ago, the situation will be different today. maybe China will also adopt that election model to the mainland now. And democracy can slowly enter China in "Step by Step" slow progress in the future.

Yes, that is not a real democracy like what everyone like. But it is the first step of everything. Yet, because of their stupidity, things become ugly today.

 

[Mista]

If, they accepted Beijing offer to choose 2 candidate that prepared by Beijing some years ago, the situation will be different today. maybe China will also adopt that election model to the mainland now. And democracy can slowly enter China in "Step by Step" slow progress in the future.

Lol... The present leadership in China has absolutely no intention to democratize. Let's not even talk about democracy, just read what their top officials like Xi or Wang Qishan has to say on the 'separation of power'.

（北京16日讯）中共总书记习近平强调“加强党对全面依法治国的领导”，并表示中国要走自己的法治道路，“决不能走西方‘宪政’、‘三权鼎立’、‘司法独立’的路子”。

新华社报导，周六出版的中共党刊《求是》杂志，发表习近平的文章〈加强党对全面依法治国的领导〉，全文并周五在网络上刊登。这是习近平去年8月24日，在中共中央全面依法治国委员会第一次会议上的讲话的一部分。

习近平在文章中说，要推进党的领导制度化、法治化，这是加强党的领导的应有之义，也是法治建设的重要任务。“为什么我国能保持长期稳定，没有乱？根本的一条就是我们始终坚持共产党领导”。

他并概括了10个方面中共“全面依法治国新理念新思想新战略”，排在首位的是“坚持加强党对依法治国的领导”，第3项则为“坚持中国特色社会主义法治道路”。

他说，全面推进依法治国必须走对路。“要从中国国情和实际出发，走适合自己的法治道路，决不能照搬别国模式和做法，决不能走西方‘宪政’、‘三权鼎立’、‘司法独立’的路子。”

中国最高人民法院院长周强2017年1月曾表示，全国各级法院要“坚决抵制西方‘宪政民主’、‘三权分立’、‘司法独立’等错误思潮影响，决不能落入西方错误思想和司法独立的陷阱，坚定不移走中国特色社会主义法治道路”。这番言论当时曾引发中外舆论争议。

Last week, Qiushi journal, the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) main theoretical periodical, published an article written by Chinese President Xi Jinping.

Before the article — titled “Strengthening the Party’s leadership over the overall rule of law” — was published, Chinese state news TV station CCTV and Chinese state news agency Xinhua had already promoted the piece, boasting about its significance.

In this 5,000-plus-word article, Xi repeatedly stresses the importance of the CCP’s leadership over China’s legal system and urged the Party to further strengthen its leadership.

“Why can China maintain long-term stability without chaos? The fundamental reason is that we always adhere to the leadership of the Communist Party,” Xi claimed. “We must further institutionalize and legalize the party’s leadership.”

Specifically, Xi complimented the latest amendments to the Chinese Constitution.

As The Diplomat reported last year, the CCP added one sentence — “The leadership of the Communist Party of China is the defining feature of socialism with Chinese characteristics” — into Chapter 1, Article 1 of the constitution and, most shockingly, removed the two-term limit for the presidency and the vice presidency. This constitutional amendment brought about an unprecedented wave of criticism worldwide, but Xi said in the article that “The constitutional amendment has received very good response in all aspects.”

Xi also vowed that China “must never copy the models or practices of other countries.”

“We must never follow the path of Western ‘constitutionalism,’ ‘separation of powers,’ or ‘judicial independence,’’’ Xi said.

Top graft-buster Wang Qishan has called on the Communist Party to tighten its oversight of all branches of power, saying there is “no such thing as the separation of powers between the party and the government”.

On the sidelines of the National People’s Congress on Sunday, Wang said the party should exercise oversight of all public bodies, including the NPC, the top political advisory body, the government and the judiciary.

Beijing simply isn't going to allow full democracy in HK which will influence public opinion in the mainland.

 

[Brainsucker]

Lol... The present leadership in China has absolutely no intention to democratize. Let's not even talk about democracy, just read what their top officials like Xi or Wang Qishan has to say on the 'separation of power'.

Beijing simply isn't going to allow full democracy in HK which will influence public opinion in the mainland.

That's China today. It's different to China some years ago. That's why I wrote that Hongkong has miss their chance to become democracy.

And of course Beijing won't allow full democracy in Hongkong. Read my post again. They offered Hongkong an election between two candidates that selected by CCP. It was not full democracy but at least a small progress toward it. It was some years ago. Maybe before 2010 or around that year. It may in Xi era but when he just came to power.

Of course Xi Jinping today will not allow any mean of democracy in China.

 

[Nan Yang]

Hong Kong protests are growing smaller but more violent and ugly

By James Griffiths, CNN
Updated 4:49 AM ET, Mon September 16, 2019

Hong Kong (CNN)Dozens of people were injured Sunday in another night of violence in Hong Kong, as the city marked its fifteenth consecutive weekend of anti-government protests.

Thousands of people took part in a peaceful -- albeit unauthorized -- march from Causeway Bay to government offices in Admiralty, calling for the government to respond to the protest movement's five demands. That quickly turned violent after radical protesters gathered outside the legislature and began throwing bricks and petrol bombs at police lines.

Police responded with tear gas and water cannon, using jets of blue dye for the second time. The dye -- which is also laced with tear gas -- is designed to indelibly mark protesters and make them easy to arrest later.
The heavy response drove protesters back from the legislature and began a night of cat-and-mouse pursuit throughout the city, which saw protesters set fires and vandalize subway stations as police made sporadic arrests.

At least 28 people were injured Sunday, according to the hospital authority. Of those, 13 men and four women have been discharged as of Monday morning, while 11 remain in hospital. Two men are in a "serious condition," the authority said.

Pro-democracy protesters react as police fire water cannons at them outside the Central Government Complex on September 15, 2019 in Hong Kong.
While the violence between police and protesters was fairly regular compared to previous weeks, the ugliest scenes occurred at the edges of the protests, where both protester and pro-government groups attacked people who disagreed with them.
CNN reporters saw a mob of masked protesters attacking a man in the Tin Hau neighborhood after a brief confrontation, leaving him dazed and bleeding on the floor. In an earlier incident, video shared widely online showed a middle-aged man wearing a blue shirt attacked and left apparently unconscious by a large group of mostly young, black-clad protesters on Gloucester Road. According to the South China Morning Post, the unidentified man had shouted pro-police slogans before the attack.

A man is seen to as he lies injured after he was surrounded and beaten on a street in North Point in Hong Kong on September 15, 2019.
Later on Sunday, a group of mostly middle-aged men were seen striking and threatening protesters in the North Point area. The area has a large mainland Chinese immigrant population, and there have been attacks on protesters in the area in past weeks.
Sunday's violence came after a number of angry scuffles on Saturday between pro and anti-government groups, though none reached the level of violence seen the following day. Pro-Beijing groups sang the Chinese national anthem and pulled down "Lennon Walls," collections of notes and flyers erected by protesters, around the city.
On Friday, pro-government lawmaker Junius Ho called on patriotic Hong Kongers to "get together and clean Hong Kong." Ho previously praised alleged triads who attacked protesters in Yuen Long, and appeared to threaten to kill one of his colleagues after they argued on a radio show.

CNN's Sarah Faidell, Ivan Watson and Julia Hollingsworth contributed reporting.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...ong-kong-protest-violence-intl-hnk/index.html