HK SAR chief: Most back 'one country'

[Bussard Ramjet]

Hey, stop lying, prove your claim with facts not trash please

According to Wikipedia:

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Hong_Kong_legislative_election,_2016#/Results

Out of the geographical constituencies (where people directly elect representatives):

16 are from the pro-Beijing camp; 13 from pro-dem camp; and 6 for the localist camp.

 

[grey boy 2]

OK for your "POLL" lover only
The most creditable poll of HK by the HK university showed
https://www.hkupop.hku.hk/english/
A university poll in July of about 1,000 people found 17.4 percent supported independence, though only 4 percent thought it possible
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...hat-s-at-stake-in-hong-kong-post-protest-vote
So how did you came up with 50 percents supported independence in HK?

 

[AndrewJin]

Since you came from the so-called "biggest democracy" , you got to feel ashamed of yourself for denying a fair and square election



Hey, stop lying, prove your claim with facts not trash please

This chart is so clear....

 

[grey boy 2]

According to Wikipedia:

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Hong_Kong_legislative_election,_2016#/Results

Out of the geographical constituencies (where people directly elect representatives):

16 are from the pro-Beijing camp; 13 from pro-dem camp; and 6 for the localist camp.

For god sake, you're talking about the independence movement of HK, and now you're twisting to how many seats of this and that?
The "FACT" was that only 7 seats for the pro independence scumbags out of 70 speaks volume of your idiotic claim
PS pro dem group does not support HK independence, understood?

 

[Economic superpower]

CPC need to take a much tougher stance on HK just like they've taken in the SCS and get rid of all anti-China and anti-CPC forces in HK.

CPC have been too hands off in HK affairs. This has resulted in Western intelligence taking advantage. CPC need to get Chinese intelligence in there doing their absolute best to disrupt and destroy all anti-China figures and install full CPC control.

CPC need to treat HK as a Chinese province instead of SAR.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

For god sake, you're talking about the independence movement of HK, and now you're twisting to how many seats of this and that?
The "FACT" was that only 7 seats for the pro independence scumbags out of 70 speaks volume of your idiotic claim
PS pro dem group does not support HK independence, understood?

No I never said anything about independence candidates. I said that a lot of young people are tending towards independence, to which you showed me a map of legislative council with pro-beijing and pro-dem distribution, to which I finally said that your distribution shows both functional and geographical constituencies.

Finally yes, 6 seats, (wiki says 6) of the 35 seats are a big thing (the rest 35 aren't elected, so let's not count them here).

If there were to be no functional seats, HK would basically have been run by pro-dems.

CPC need to take a much tougher stance on HK just like they've taken in the SCS and get rid of all anti-China and anti-CPC forces in HK.

CPC have been too hands off in HK affairs. This has resulted in Western intelligence taking advantage. CPC need to get Chinese intelligence in there doing their absolute best to disrupt and destroy all anti-China figures and install full CPC control.

CPC need to treat HK as a Chinese province instead of SAR.

I hope China doesn't do the mistake by extending any kind of leniency on HK beyond 2047.

HK needs to be swiftly swallowed by 2047, and made in status equal to Shanghai, or Beijing.

This chart is so clear....

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And misleading. All of these people have not been elected. Rather, only 35 of them have been elected.

Of those 35:
Pro-Beijing: 13
Pro-dem: 16
Localist: 6

 

[bbccdd1470]

The polls tell that a lot of young indigenous inhabitants are tilting towards independence.

I guess you have misunderstanding about the indigenous inhabitants in HK. Most of the young people, who are striving for HK independent, are second or third generation of immigrant from Mainland China and few of them are actually born in China. The indigenous inhabitants are people have their ancestors who already settled in HK before 1895. One thing have to clarify that is those people who were waving colonial flag clearly know very little or close to nothing about the dark days during the colonial time. As a Indian yourself, you should clearly understand what I'm saying here.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

I guess you have misunderstanding about the indigenous inhabitants in HK. Most of the young people, who are striving for HK independent, are second or third generation of immigrant from Mainland China and few of them are actually born in China. The indigenous inhabitants are people have their ancestors who already settled in HK before 1895. One thing have to clarify that is those people who were waving colonial flag clearly know very little or close to nothing about the dark days during the colonial time. As a Indian yourself, you should clearly understand what I'm saying here.

I am not talking about motivations. But facts.

Facts say that a lot of young people are indeed tilting towards independence, and almost all are pro-dems.

If you look at election results, out of 35 seats only 13 were won by pro-Beijing candidates.

I don't want HK to go loose, that is why I am saying that there should be immediate, swift announcement that after 2047, HK will be completely integrated within China.

 

[bbccdd1470]

Yeah so what was the result of election.

Around 50% of the seats were won by pan-dems or outright pro-independence guys.

Opposition will always get more votes in election because all they need to do is criticize and delay any bill to pass in Legcos. If they get a chance to govern, they will end up like the case in Taiwan, as the supporting rate of Tsai Ing-wen. Honestly, Pan-democratic faction is actually losing seats to pro-independant faction. Even they admitted that pro-independent faction are not in the same side with them.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Pan-democratic faction is actually losing seats to pro-independant faction. Even they admitted that pro-independent faction are not in the same side with them.

That is even worse.

 

[bbccdd1470]

I am not talking about motivations. But facts.

Facts say that a lot of young people are indeed tilting towards independence, and almost all are pro-dems.

If you look at election results, out of 35 seats only 13 were won by pro-Beijing candidates.

I don't want HK to go loose, that is why I am saying that there should be immediate, swift announcement that after 2047, HK will be completely integrated within China.

I think 2047 too far away from us now, young people are tend to be passionate and sometime irrational but they will grown up someday. Independent idea is by no way beneficial to HK future and they will sure realize that later. Also pan-democratic faction will never given a chance to govern due to national security, therefore, it will always end up more votes than pro-Beijing faction due to less political burdens. The vote result is all about anti-governmental sentiment, and this is understandable.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

I think 2047 too far away from us now, young people are tend to be passionate and sometime irrational but they will grown up someday. Independent idea is by no way beneficial to HK future and they will sure realize that later. Also pan-democratic faction will never given a chance to govern due to national security, therefore, it will always end up more votes than pro-Beijing faction due to less political burdens. The vote result is all about anti-governmential sentiment, and this is understandable.

The issue of land leases is coming up. Sometime by 2030, the question needs to be answered that what will happen to HK after 2047.

 

[bbccdd1470]

The issue of land leases is coming up. Sometime by 2030, the question needs to be answered that what will happen to HK after 2047.

I agree, but for now too many unknown variable and all talks now are empty talk only. Most importantly, if China really wants to change our system to more like them, we still have nothing we can doing. For my guess, we will remain our system and our way of life, since I can see the standard of life and behaviour of people who live in mainland china are improving, especially the young people. In the next 10 to 15 years, I believe we are not much different. The clashes between the people in HK and China will be greatly reduced.

 

[jkroo]

We have all confidences for Hong Kong and people who lived there and I have been to Hong Kong for several times. The vigorous, open and rich city is not a place which some outsiders can imagine.

I do respect some members' stubborn negative mindsets for the delusion of China and it's very interesting. With this kind of mindset for some people in the states named as Manipur, Assam, Tripura, Mizoram, Sikkim, Meghalaya, Punjab Pradesh, these states have been independent for long time.

We don't like to talk about those states and even we are unwilling to support the Maoist movements that doesn't mean we know nothing about it. Some members here really do have low logic to troll. The low logic and negative points just project an image that the dark and low mindset exists.

@waz @Shotgunner51 @ahojunk

You should take care of this thread for troll.

 

[Zsari]

SAR chief: Most back 'one country'
By JOSEPH LI (chinadaily.com.cn)
Updated: 2016-09-16 01:51

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Hong Kong Special Administrative Region Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying delivers a speech at a ceremony of college students ending a military training course on Aug 14, 2016. [Photo/Xinhua]​

Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying said the majority of Hong Kong people support the "One Country, Two Systems" principle — and only a small minority are advocating "independence" for the special administrative region.

He also dismissed the suggestion by some young people that Hong Kong should prepare for a "second negotiation" for the SAR's future beyond 2047. "As far as the 'One Country' aspect is concerned, 2047 is a non-event,” he said.

In an exclusive interview with China Daily, Leung noted that Article 1 of the Basic Law states that Hong Kong is an inalienable part of China. Therefore, he said, calling for Hong Kong to be detached from the rest of the country is totally unacceptable.

To help people better understand the Basic Law, the government will do more to educate the public to make sure people understand not just one or two articles of the Basic Law, but all its articles, he said.

The SAR's chief executive said that although Hong Kong cherishes freedom of expression, there is no room for "pro-independence" discussions. If students want to discuss this aspect of the Basic Law, teachers should guide such discussions within the context of the law, he added.

"We shouldn't be complacent. If we do not tackle this well, this (separatist idea) could spread,” he said.

As to whether the Education Bureau should issue guidelines to schools, he said these are not necessary regarding this simple, clear provision of the Basic Law.

He also commented on a reader's letter to a local newspaper on Sept 15. The reader suggested the possibility of amendments to the Basic Law and changes to Hong Kong's status under a mechanism provided in Article 159 of the Basic Law.

"Paragraph 4 of Article 159 says that no amendment to the Basic Law shall contravene the basic policy of the People's Republic of China regarding Hong Kong. And the basic policy is Hong Kong is an inalienable part of China,” Leung added.

Leung also said he was not worried about Hong Kong after 2047. "My view is that we don't have to change that (capitalist system and way of life), because this 'One Country, Two Systems' serves Hong Kong well today, and in 2047 and thereafter,” he said.

Leung noted that the Lands Department is granting leases for 50 years, referring to a land lease granted for a site in Sha Tin. The lease will expire in 2066.

Article 23 needs to be passed. That is stipulated in the basic law which is the constitution of HK.