History of Durand Line: Some untold Facts

[Spring Onion]

I am simply educating the ones who are surprised why Afghanistan is so mad about construction of gate at Torkham

Afghanistan's claims have no basis simple as that. All these 5 lac plus Afghans crossing daily are not residents of that five miles distance . The gate construction cannot be halted even by presenting five miles excuse.

It is time Pakistan should consult UN and ask UN to request Afghanistan's good friend India to take up all the Afghan refugees. We are done with feeding them.

 

[coffee_cup]

to brother ap b thora aqal ka istemal kary aur jis tali may khyay us may ched na kry.

Man, don't worry about few Afghans carrying fake NIC or Pak Passport. Sooner or later these will be caught.

The dude you are talking to is another delusional character coming from the West-side.

Just ignore him.

Go to UN. We can only raise our middle finger here and outside the forum



He is hit by identity crisis

He is one of many hundred thousand Afghans who are carrying fake NIC or Pak Passport, due to corruption in NADRA.

These people go outside Pakistan do all sort of Shyt and malign Pakistan in the process. Have come across several of these lately.

 

[shah1398]

I know you have copy pasted the urdu article from facebook. But let me tell you , that its mostly Pakistan who is guilty in the border clashes with Afghanistan, legally speaking. Even in Mohmand agency's clashes, Afghanistan's claims are valid.......Mohmand territory was divided between Afghanistan and British India in 1893 (Though Amir was not pleased with it and wanted entire Mohmand) . British occupied further Mohmand territory from Afghanistan in 1897's uprising, violating the original treaty itself....in the subsequent agreements, Afghanistan continued to demand return of occupied Mohamand territory but it were ignored. So a portion of the Mohmand agency of Pakistan, actually belongs to Afghanistan as per original treaty of 1893......British themselves were bastards, they refused to pay subsidies to Amir Habibullah (Abdul Rahman's son), telling him that 1893's treaty was a personal treaty between Amir and the British governament, so British wont pay subsidy to the new amir as Durand agreement is null and void. The new Amir had to renew Durand line agreement in 1905 with new details. The point is, British were simply occupying the Pashtun territory and did not stick to original agreement and the improvised Afghan monarchs needed subsidies

NWFP did become part of Pakistan through referendum , but no referendum was held in FATA and PATA. NWFP had nothing to do with Durand line treaty, they were conquered by Sikhs much earlier in early 19th century and were passed on to British when Sikh kingdom was conquered by British in 1848.

First of all plz read just the starting lines of what I said as it wud point out that i had been honest by pointing that

Posted as received

Secondly if someone write in Urdu then does it mean that the credibility of that article is low? Ofcourse not.

Thirdly leme summarize it all:

FATA: At the time of independence and even till now the main ruling force in FATA was/is the Maliks. Whatever they decide is followed by their Tribes in as it is way. The Maliks decided to stay with Pakistan when they met Quaid-e-Azam after independence and desired that rule of governance be remain the same. Here is the abstract from history:

"After independence of Pakistan and India in 1947, the tribesmen expressed their popular will to become part of Pakistan. The tribes and founding father of Pakistan, Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah, agreed on the agenda that agreements between the former and the British government would be kept unchanged. The British adopted the system of managing the affairs in tribal areas according to the customs and traditions of the tribesmen. Moreover, it ensured minimum interference from the Government thus satisfying the tribesmen’s ego."

PATA: After Independence the area mainly consisted Princely states of Swat and Dir and Chitral. The Wali of Swat, Miangul Abdul Wadud, became the first ruler successfully to accede his state to Pakistan, on 15 August 1947. The Mehtar of Chitral, Muzaffar-ul- Mulk , stated his intention to accede to Pakistan on 15 August 1947. However, his formal accession was delayed until 6 October. The Nawab of Dir, Jahan Khan, sent troops to support Pakistan in the First Kashmir War of 1947, and he signed an instrument of accession to Pakistan on 8 November, but it was not until 18 February 1948 that his state's accession was accepted by Quaid-e- Azem as Governor-General. I can go on stating how which Princely state (Majority of them now under PATA) acceded to Pakistan.

Crux: When the people of the area may it be PATA, FATA, then N.W.F.P, Balochistan etc have decided to join Pakistan then does it matter if at all they were part of Afghanistan or any other country in past? U asked for refrendum and here I gave U everything in a plate. Now I would ask for an excuse as if even these arguments and facts that i presented can not convince U then there is no point in discussing anything further.

@Horus ,@Spring Onion , @haviZsultan , @DESERT FIGHTER

 

[Spring Onion]

Man, don't worry about few Afghans carrying fake NIC or Pak Passport. Sooner or later these will be caught.

The dude you are talking to is another delusional character coming from the West-side.

Just ignore him.



He is one of many hundred thousand Afghans who are carrying fake NIC or Pak Passport, due to corruption in NADRA.

These people go outside Pakistan do all sort of Shyt and malign Pakistan in the process. Have come across several of these lately.

These are not FEW Afghans. I have reported back in 2010 that about 80,000 of them had Pakistani fake CNICs now imagine what is the number now

 

[Arsalan]

These are not FEW Afghans. I have reported back in 2010 that about 80,000 of them had Pakistani fake CNICs now imagine what is the number now

It is into a few hundred thousand now as per the reports.

 

[Pandora]

According to Durand line agreement, Pashtun tribesmen living within five miles of from line on each side could travel freely between British India (now Pakistan) and Afghanistan without showing any documents. There are tens of thousands of refugees from North Waziristan in Khost without any documents. Pakistan actually violated the Durand line treaty by building gates on the line.......any attempt of fencing and mining the border by Pakistan, will also be violation of Durand line agreements that took place in 1893 and was affirmed with some new details in 1905, 1921 and 1930.

There is no such clause in the agreement. Pakistan has full authority to construct anything within its borders. If someone wants to push their luck then as ISPR already said Airforce is on standby to provide CAS to ground troops.

Afghanis dont even have control over their own land yet they embarked on the conquest of other nations . First rid yourself of westren slavery then at least afghanis will have some dignity.

 

[Samandri]

There is no such clause in the agreement. .

Its one of the clause of 1905's agreement.

 

[Pandora]

Its one of the clause of 1905's agreement.

Any agreements prior to UN body are null and void. No one give a damn about some commitments made by some brits. Afghanistan and Pakistan has no such agreements and UN recognised our current boundry with afghanistan when we became UN member. If afghanistan has any issues they should go talk to British with whom they had the agreement.

 

[Samandri]

Any agreements prior to UN body are null and void..

If Pakistan declares that Durand line agreements are null and void, then Durand line cease to exist , which means FATA rightfully belongs to Afghanistan.......FATA is part of Pakistan simply because of Durand line agreements between British governament and Afghanistan..Pakistan retained FATA by claiming that it inherited Durand line treaty as successor state of British India.

 

[Pandora]

If Pakistan declares that Durand line agreements are null and void, then Durand line cease to exist , which means FATA rightfully belongs to Afghanistan.......FATA is part of Pakistan simply because of Durand line agreements between British governament and Afghanistan.;

UN defines Durand line as a valid border and as for taking the land from Pakistan by force well tough luck. As soon as border management system is up and running next step will be formation of our 5th province in Fata.

 

[Samandri]

FATA: At the time of independence and even till now the main ruling force in FATA was/is the Maliks. Whatever they decide is followed by their Tribes in as it is way. The Maliks decided to stay with Pakistan when they met Quaid-e-Azam after independence and desired that rule of governance be remain the same. Here is the abstract from history:

You are contradicting yourself. I corrected you that no referendum was held in FATA in 1947, why you are disagreeing with me?. No Shahi Jirga of Balochistan thing was conducted in FATA........., Pakistan simply retained it as successor state of British India. Perhaps you are not aware , but there can be hundreds of Maliks in a Pashtun tribe and they are not exactly equalant of baloch sardars, and have no powers like them. Please mentions the names of all the Maliks who you are claiming to members of a grand jirga who opted for Pakistan. Any scans of signed documents?, any date and details?.... jirga means an assembly, and the decision in it is reached through consensus. Did such thing happen in 1947's FATA?, nope....Did Jinnah meet Maliks of Mehsuds or Maliks of Jandol or Maliks of Daulatzais etc? nope

 

[!eon]

I am simply educating the ones who are surprised why Afghanistan is so mad about construction of gate at Torkham

You don't agree with old referendum ? Conduct a new one, but this time in Pakistan and also in Afghanistan.
Why not ask for referendum in Pushtun areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan, whether they want to join Pakistan or Afghanistan ?

These are not FEW Afghans. I have reported back in 2010 that about 80,000 of them had Pakistani fake CNICs now imagine what is the number now

They are way more than 80,000 with Pakistani documents. Every Afghani in my area is with Pakistani CNIC (if I can think country wide, way more than 80k) and many Afghanis I met all over the world traveling with Pakistani Passport.

 

[haviZsultan]

In 1879, a British officer mentions Bannu as "Afghan frontier". Why?. Because before 1893, the present-day FATA areas were part of Afghanistan. British would have left the FATA areas to Afghanistan but the hill tribes would make raids into plain areas, would lift cattle and rob people on their way and kill them upon resistance.Marauders and robbers of Waziristan

These tribes were not under control of Amir , were only nominally part of kingdom of Kabul. British in order to maintain peace in their areas (KPK), carried out several operations against hill tribes of present day FATA. Raiders became "Ghazis" with time and Mullah's led activities surfaced in hills, so British annexed present-day FATA, much to the displeasure of Amir of Kabul as these hill tribes were military assets for him in taking care of rebellions by Ghilzais and other tribes.

@haviZsultan


NWFP did become part of Pakistan through referendum , but no referendum was held in FATA and PATA. NWFP had nothing to do with Durand line treaty, they were conquered by Sikhs much earlier in early 19th century and were passed on to British when Sikh kingdom was conquered by British in 1848.

You are as usual going back 100 years to give a claim over our land to the Afghans. Since 1983 Pakistani and Afghan history forever divided itself like 2 branches of a river. Pakistani pashtuns supported jinnah and the muslim league while Afghan nationals continued to be bitter over the loss of their land because of their own ruler. Your post only proves that the tribes of FATA fought tooth and nail against the British. You iron amir gave up on the other hand. It was cruel for him to sacrifice southern lands for his own *** and Kabul and Kandahar. If he had not been a twit Pakistan and Afghanistan would be one today. The rest are excuses.

There is no justification for what the iron amir did. All is history and all is excuses to delete blame in Pakistani pashtuns eyes of the attrocities iron amir comitted in rebellions against the local tribes and his selling them to the British only to save his throne.

 

[TMA]

You are contradicting yourself. I corrected you that no referendum was held in FATA in 1947, why you are disagreeing with me?. No Shahi Jirga of Balochistan thing was conducted in FATA........., Pakistan simply retained it as successor state of British India. Perhaps you are not aware , but there can be hundreds of Maliks in a Pashtun tribe and they are not exactly equalant of baloch sardars, and have no powers like them. Please mentions the names of all the Maliks who you are claiming to members of a grand jirga who opted for Pakistan. Any scans of signed documents?, any date and details?.... jirga means an assembly, and the decision in it is reached through consensus. Did such thing happen in 1947's FATA?, nope....Did Jinnah meet Maliks of Mehsuds or Maliks of Jandol or Maliks of Daulatzais etc? nope

What is your solution to this problem?

 

[Samandri]

What is your solution to this problem?

I am simply educating the ones who are surprised why Afghanistan is so mad about construction of gate at Torkham.....