Historical background of landlords, generals and religious families of Pakistan

[Myth_buster_1]

You are mixing a lot of things. Agreed Britain planned much earlier at end of first of world war to leave India. However, there was no plan to divide and give muslims a separate state.

The British empire initiated their plan to divide their colony much much earlier then end of WWI when they started to indoctrinate elite muslims in their land in late 1800s.

The people you are talking about created the awareness of separate nation. Allama Iqbal, was the first to realize that in the democratic world it will just be change of masters and Hindus have hold of bureaucracy and economy will keep muslims enslaved gave the idea of a separate nation.

Allama iqbal was knighted by the queen for his service to British empire. He had NO relationship with Jinnah in fact Jinnah had closer ties with freemasons like annie besant, Naoroji and many more then with Iqbal.
Iqbal hardly spoke anything against British Empire, India, or Ahmadis (which was a creation of British empire to divide muslims). Speaking mere one or two lines isnt worth anything when compared to Malcolm X who joined Nation of Islam but when he converted to Islam he became very rebellious and exposed that cult religion for which he was killed.
You also have to understand that concept of Pakistan was created way before any of British appointed founding fathers even dreamed about and if it was against British empire's interest then Pakistan would not have been created.

Quaid-e-azam fought the election and convince the local population to vote for muslim league so that they can represents muslims in negotiating the independence plan.

Aga Khan was one of the founding fathers of muslim league and this guy hardly spent any time in Pakistani region so what propelled him or other Muslim elites to create a league that would serve Pakistan's interest?

Furthermore, Quaid-e-Azam and Allama Iqbal didnt work for britain. They worked for Pakistan mulsim league who won election in 1946 from muslim majority areas and hence represented those areas. As per democratic standards of Britain that had to incorporate demand of the leaders of the areas where muslim league won.

So are you suggesting that British empire was after all a "democratic" empire that cared for the people?

I am not against Pakistan but against its roots, thats why today this nation is corrupt to the core because of imperialistic systems that were imposed through empowering local leaders.
Take Ahmadi sect for example, was this not a creation of British empire? And then did they not contribute in creation of Pakistan?
What needs to happen is entire make over of this country only then Pakistan can actually stand on its own feet.
Heck, Pakistani text books does not even speak against atrocities committed on its own people by British empire instead we are being taught that if you want to successed in life, LEARN English and urdu is only for pandu awaam thanks to sir syed.
And neither am I suggesting that India Afg or Iran had true founding fathers, they were all the same.
Try to get the bigger picture.

 

[Psychic]

Just saw the thumbnail, it seems to be a stupid anti-Semitic propaganda, this Maqbool Jan is a fan of Hitler too..

Isreal's history is an anti-semitic propaganda. LoL

 

[aryadravida]

There is a difference between working with britosh empire and working for empire.

Iqbal, quaid and sir syed worked with british for welfare of local people and they got no properties in return.

Those people who work for british against interest of local people were traitors and got lands properties and money in return of services


How is it propaganda when these figures are historical records


How this is against political opponents when such people are in every political party be it PTI, PPP and PMLN.


Didnt get what r u trying to say

Iqbal accepted knighthood from british empire...he never returned it back...thats enough to say how anti colonial he was....pakistanis in general have this habit of picking whatever suits their narrative.

The British empire initiated their plan to divide their colony much much earlier then end of WWI when they started to indoctrinate elite muslims in their land in late 1800s.



Allama iqbal was knighted by the queen for his service to British empire. He had NO relationship with Jinnah in fact Jinnah had closer ties with freemasons like annie besant, Naoroji and many more then with Iqbal.
Iqbal hardly spoke anything against British Empire, India, or Ahmadis (which was a creation of British empire to divide muslims). Speaking mere one or two lines isnt worth anything when compared to Malcolm X who joined Nation of Islam but when he converted to Islam he became very rebellious and exposed that cult religion for which he was killed.
You also have to understand that concept of Pakistan was created way before any of British appointed founding fathers even dreamed about and if it was against British empire's interest then Pakistan would not have been created.



Aga Khan was one of the founding fathers of muslim league and this guy hardly spent any time in Pakistani region so what propelled him or other Muslim elites to create a league that would serve Pakistan's interest?



So are you suggesting that British empire was after all a "democratic" empire that cared for the people?

I am not against Pakistan but against its roots, thats why today this nation is corrupt to the core because of imperialistic systems that were imposed through empowering local leaders.
Take Ahmadi sect for example, was this not a creation of British empire? And then did they not contribute in creation of Pakistan?
What needs to happen is entire make over of this country only then Pakistan can actually stand on its own feet.
Heck, Pakistani text books does not even speak against atrocities committed on its own people by British empire instead we are being taught that if you want to successed in life, LEARN English and urdu is only for pandu awaam thanks to sir syed.
And neither am I suggesting that India Afg or Iran had true founding fathers, they were all the same.
Try to get the bigger picture.

Loved your unbiased views man...true..india too didnt have any founding fathers...but at the same time is it not true people like Nehru and Gandhi went to jail.so many times and took up programmes and campaigns against british?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Iqbal accepted knighthood from british empire...he never returned it back...thats enough to say how anti colonial he was....pakistanis in general have this habit of picking whatever suits their narrative.


Loved your unbiased views man...true..india too didnt have any founding fathers...but at the same time is it not true people like Nehru and Gandhi went to jail.so many times and took up programmes and campaigns against british?

The problem is desi are very emotional and can be manipulated very very easily.
The goras were very smart actually out smarted over billion people.
As for ghandi and nehru, how exactly does walking half naked for 100s of miles can defeat a ruthless empire that killed millions of people? Without British approval, ghandi would have been executed just like those who stood up during mid 1800s rebellion. And then to legitimize Ghandi as a true leader, with his consent he was put in jail so he could be portrayed as a hero.

 

[truthfollower]

Pakistani text books does not even speak against atrocities committed on its own people by British empire instead we are being taught that if you want to succeeded in life

because they also gave a piece of land and chance to make it right

Oreo supported Imran Khan.

Nuff Said !!

who is oreo?

Ten days ago Orya was saying world is going to end in 10 days and here life is going on the sameway it was before. And few days ago he was saying Afghanistan say thandi hawaain aa rahi hain. Orya please go and find your peace in Afghanistan.

today this nation is corrupt to the core because of imperialistic systems that were imposed through empowering local leaders.

blaming others instead of looking at your own doings.
its because your so called local leaders are corrupt
and instead of legislation and improving systems our provincial parliaments are busy playing religion

LEARN English and urdu is only for pandu awaam thanks to sir syed.

modern knowledge is in English. Translate it in urdu like others small nations do but no we are lazy

 

[Myth_buster_1]

because they also gave a piece of land and chance to make it right


who is oreo?

Ten days ago Orya was saying world is going to end in 10 days and here life is going on the sameway it was before. And few days ago he was saying Afghanistan say thandi hawaain aa rahi hain. Orya please go and find your peace in Afghanistan.


blaming others instead of looking at your own doings.
its because your so called local leaders are corrupt
and instead of legislation and improving systems our provincial parliaments are busy playing religion


modern knowledge is in English. Translate it in urdu like others small nations do but no we are lazy

when you have a weak foundation their is not much you can do, thanks to "founding fathers" imposed on us by gora masters.

Pakistan is prob the only muslim brit colony that that has english as its official lang even though only few % actually understand it. today the only educational importance urdu has is just "poetry" which revolves around iqbal who himself was indoctrinated by goras, where as english is only for elites from which half of them go oversees to server others interest.

 

[The Accountant]

Iqbal accepted knighthood from british empire...he never returned it back...thats enough to say how anti colonial he was....pakistanis in general have this habit of picking whatever suits their narrative.


Loved your unbiased views man...true..india too didnt have any founding fathers...but at the same time is it not true people like Nehru and Gandhi went to jail.so many times and took up programmes and campaigns against british?

Knighthood just a title and not some monetary benefit. U r comparing apple with orranges. Getting a title is equivallent to getting tones of wealth. How does this equate ?

The British empire initiated their plan to divide their colony much much earlier then end of WWI when they started to indoctrinate elite muslims in their land in late 1800s.



Allama iqbal was knighted by the queen for his service to British empire. He had NO relationship with Jinnah in fact Jinnah had closer ties with freemasons like annie besant, Naoroji and many more then with Iqbal.
Iqbal hardly spoke anything against British Empire, India, or Ahmadis (which was a creation of British empire to divide muslims). Speaking mere one or two lines isnt worth anything when compared to Malcolm X who joined Nation of Islam but when he converted to Islam he became very rebellious and exposed that cult religion for which he was killed.
You also have to understand that concept of Pakistan was created way before any of British appointed founding fathers even dreamed about and if it was against British empire's interest then Pakistan would not have been created.



Aga Khan was one of the founding fathers of muslim league and this guy hardly spent any time in Pakistani region so what propelled him or other Muslim elites to create a league that would serve Pakistan's interest?



So are you suggesting that British empire was after all a "democratic" empire that cared for the people?

I am not against Pakistan but against its roots, thats why today this nation is corrupt to the core because of imperialistic systems that were imposed through empowering local leaders.
Take Ahmadi sect for example, was this not a creation of British empire? And then did they not contribute in creation of Pakistan?
What needs to happen is entire make over of this country only then Pakistan can actually stand on its own feet.
Heck, Pakistani text books does not even speak against atrocities committed on its own people by British empire instead we are being taught that if you want to successed in life, LEARN English and urdu is only for pandu awaam thanks to sir syed.
And neither am I suggesting that India Afg or Iran had true founding fathers, they were all the same.
Try to get the bigger picture.

U r a conspiracy theorist who is claiming alot of things but without any basis and proof.

On one hand u r agreeing that it was roots of Pakistan that was corrupt but on the other hand u r denying the OP which is stating the same with more specific identification that most of the landlords, gaddi nasheen, beaurecracy and civil servant are from those families that worked with british for interests of britain. Make up your mind what are u trying to say.

The decisions of quaid d iqbal can be viewed in light if current action of imran khan. He wants a corruption free prosperous pakistan but people power is with those corrupt and he has no option but to go with the electables.

Similarly quaid did joined hands with land lords and gaddi nasheen of that time as he had no option as to win elections which were the basis of division was controlled by the same landlords and gaddi nasheen.

Its jahalat or our awam.

 

[aryadravida]

The problem is desi are very emotional and can be manipulated very very easily.
The goras were very smart actually out smarted over billion people.
As for ghandi and nehru, how exactly does walking half naked for 100s of miles can defeat a ruthless empire that killed millions of people? Without British approval, ghandi would have been executed just like those who stood up during mid 1800s rebellion. And then to legitimize Ghandi as a true leader, with his consent he was put in jail so he could be portrayed as a hero.

Hmm...you are not sounding logical here man.....you said that how could peaceful protests get freedom...but didnt people like nelson mandela and martin luther king took inspiration from gandhi , led their movement peacefully and were able to get rights for blacks? Anyway you are entitled to your opinion...cheers

 

[truthfollower]

when you have a weak foundation their is not much you can do, thanks to "founding fathers" imposed on us by gora masters.

Pakistan is prob the only muslim brit colony that that has english as its official lang even though only few % actually understand it. today the only educational importance urdu has is just "poetry" which revolves around iqbal who himself was indoctrinated by goras, where as english is only for elites from which half of them go oversees to server others interest.

yes Urdu is only left for poetry.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Hmm...you are not sounding logical here man.....you said that how could peaceful protests get freedom...but didnt people like nelson mandela and martin luther king took inspiration from gandhi , led their movement peacefully and were able to get rights for blacks? Anyway you are entitled to your opinion...cheers

In theory Ghandi was a exceptional leader who resolved issues peacefully but it is not practical in practical world like for instance, when a small weak nation is invaded by a super power do you think that a mere peaceful protest or a repeat of Ghandi would achieve a result? Do you think that Ghandi in 1800 would have been able to get independence from Brit empire? Regardless of Ghandi, India would have gotten its independence just like 40 or so other nations did that were under its rule. Ghandi was a peaceful weapon of Brit empire.
Have these "peaceful" speeches worked for Kashmiris, Kurds, Palestine, uyghur etc? NO because the opponent is adamant.
As for Nelson and Luther, as West was becoming a democratic state freedom was its main pillar and Nelson and Luther demonstrated just that and where as Blacks in Islamic world had their equal rights 1000 years ago. Put both leaders in 1800s when slavery was at its peak do you think they would have succeeded? Basically their was a platform on which they were able to succeed but regardless of them both, Blacks would have gotten their wrights.

Knighthood just a title and not some monetary benefit. U r comparing apple with orranges. Getting a title is equivallent to getting tones of wealth. How does this equate ?


U r a conspiracy theorist who is claiming alot of things but without any basis and proof.

1 On one hand u r agreeing that it was roots of Pakistan that was corrupt but on the other hand u r denying the OP which is stating the same with more specific identification that most of the landlords, gaddi nasheen, beaurecracy and civil servant are from those families that worked with british for interests of britain. Make up your mind what are u trying to say.

The decisions of quaid d iqbal can be viewed in light if current action of imran khan. He wants a corruption free prosperous pakistan but people power is with those corrupt and he has no option but to go with the electables.

Similarly quaid did joined hands with land lords and gaddi nasheen of that time as he had no option as to win elections which were the basis of division was controlled by the same landlords and gaddi nasheen.

Its jahalat or our awam.

1 I have not denied this....


I dont want to drag this convo any further as I may get in trouble
However I will remind you again that not every agent goes after money but its loyalty.

 

[blueazure]

my dad retired as a brigadier

my grandfather was a JCO who migrated from IOK

my father worked hard , day in day out, was posted all over pakistan , incl siachin . in 34 years of service, i never saw him getting late or calling days off

and i dont know any british allowances / previliges or sifarishs he used to get there


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such a B.S thread by the OP

this forum is becoming a sewer really

 

[zarabesunni]

 

[313ghazi]

Knighthood just a title and not some monetary benefit. U r comparing apple with orranges. Getting a title is equivallent to getting tones of wealth. How does this equate ?


U r a conspiracy theorist who is claiming alot of things but without any basis and proof.

On one hand u r agreeing that it was roots of Pakistan that was corrupt but on the other hand u r denying the OP which is stating the same with more specific identification that most of the landlords, gaddi nasheen, beaurecracy and civil servant are from those families that worked with british for interests of britain. Make up your mind what are u trying to say.

The decisions of quaid d iqbal can be viewed in light if current action of imran khan. He wants a corruption free prosperous pakistan but people power is with those corrupt and he has no option but to go with the electables.

Similarly quaid did joined hands with land lords and gaddi nasheen of that time as he had no option as to win elections which were the basis of division was controlled by the same landlords and gaddi nasheen.

Its jahalat or our awam.

People are so naive sometimes, they don't realise how politics work. Take yourself back to that time - unless you have an army ready to defeat the worlds largest superpower (The British Empire), the only option you have is to do politics. There is no way to get your message to the masses, most people can't read or write (newspapers out of the window), many rural places don't even have roads, radio is limited too, there is no TV. You have to work alongside the powerbrokers. The Nawabs or tribal leaders or gadi nasheens all had street power - ultimately that is what you'll need to win victory.

 

[The Accountant]

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@Myth_buster_1

This is what OP is all about. QUaid-e-Azam and Allama Iqbal were in position not different then currently Imran Khan have. They wanted to help the muslims but all the power was with those sardar, khans, nawabs and bhuttos. So they had no option but to use them to get Pakistan. Not an ideal Pakistan but something is better than nothing. Mean and corrupt sardars are better than cunning hindus.

Things would have been different if Quaid and Iqbal and other such sincere muslim leaders could have survived for a decade or so but unfortunately we were taken over just after a year.

People are so naive sometimes, they don't realise how politics work. Take yourself back to that time - unless you have an army ready to defeat the worlds largest superpower (The British Empire), the only option you have is to do politics. There is no way to get your message to the masses, most people can't read or write (newspapers out of the window), many rural places don't even have roads, radio is limited too, there is no TV. You have to work alongside the powerbrokers. The Nawabs or tribal leaders or gadi nasheens all had street power - ultimately that is what you'll need to win victory.

Exactly, the situation can be more clearly understandable with whats going on today.

Imran Khan is being labelled as Yahodi agent and Qadyani in the similar way. While all he is trying to do is to improvise with the situation at hand for the welfare of people of Pakistan.

 

[El Sidd]

who is oreo?

Oreo John is a Neo Conservative propagandist.

He is famously known as Orya Jan in Pakistan