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[Saif al-Arab]

As I said we cannot fool our Creator. We very well know that divorce is allowed but in the worst conditions when husband and wife cannot live together anymore and there is a whole procedure. Not for you to exploit and use it as a legal cover for temporary marriages (adultery). You can't make divorce as a regular feature occurring at regular interval. That's debauchery.

You are not in a position to judge. That is between the people involved and Allah (swt).

If you are legally married it cannot be considered adultery. This is pretty simple. As I wrote Prophet Muhammad (saws) himself was married to 13 women throughout his lifetime. According to your logic that is 9 too many.

It feels (with all due respect) that I am writing to a wall.

Let me repeat myself:

"Besides you can marry as many women (as long as the number does not exceed 4 at the same time) and divorce as many as you like (in theory). However the same conditions apply as if you only had 1 wife and surely Ibn Saud was able to fulfill those conditions seeing that all children from all his marriages were taken care of as well as the wives.

You are confusing this with harems. Or mistresses. There was no such thing. It would be suicidal for both parties involved (Ibn Saud and the mistress/es) as well as their families and reputation."

As for marriages and divorces while pregnant, no such thing occurred. Those 22 marriages were conducted over an period of almost 70 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descendants_of_Ibn_Saud

BTW once again you miss the political context, the time period and the general practices of Muslim dynasts throughout that time period and historically.

If you are biased due to this being about the House of Saud, take a look at the Qajar dynasty of Iran (already linked to a Shah with 300 "wives") or the Ottoman Sultans.

However you are in no position to judge whether Ibn Saud took care of his wives, whether he loved them or not. All we know is that he respected all his wives, took care of them as well as ALL of his children. Moreover a quite significant portion of his wives died while young.

Anyway we are off-topic.

 

[war&peace]

You are not in a position to judge. That is between the people involved and Allah (swt).

Well, I can't turn a blind eye to whatever goes around us especially what affects us as a Muslim.

If you are legally married it cannot be considered adultery. This is pretty simple. As I wrote Prophet Muhammad (saws) himself was married to 13 women throughout his lifetime. According to your logic that is 9 too many.

Please refrain from bringing in the Holy Prophet (May peace be always upon him, his family and friends)'s person and distort the facts to cover the lecherous behaviour of some kings. None of them is even comparable in respect and dignity to a single grit that touched the shoes of the Prophet of Allah.

His marriages happened before these verses were revealed so he clearly was exempted and furthermore he did not marry them temporarily. They were his wives till his departure from this material and even after that because they couldn't marry anyone else....as they are mother's of the believers so that's a totally different case.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Well, I can't turn a blind eye to whatever goes around us especially what affects us as a Muslim.



Please refrain from bringing in the Holy Prophet (May peace be always upon him, his family and friends)'s person and distort the facts to cover the lecherous behaviour of some kings. None of them is even comparable in respect and dignity to a single grit that touched the shoes of the Prophet of Allah.

His marriages happened before these verses were revealed so he clearly was exempted and furthermore he did not marry them temporarily. They were his wives till his departure from this material and even after that because they couldn't marry anyone else....as they are mother's of the believers so that's a totally different case.

Well, in particular as you are incapable of understanding the facts on the ground or history.

That's not the point here nor is anyone comparing anything. That should be obvious. The point here was what I wrote.

Fact of the matter is the following:

1) You are allowed to marry up to 4 wives at the same time.

2) You are allowed to divorce as many women as you like.

3) You must provide for your wives, even the divorced ones, and obviously your children.

All 3 of the above conditions were satisfied. As for what you believe in or not is irrelevant here and this is between the persons in questions and Allah (swt) as I wrote.


Sharifa bint Saqr Al Fajr:

Ibn Sauds' first wife. She was from Bani Khalid and married Ibn Saud in 1894, but died six months after.[4]

Wadhah Bint Muhammad Al Hussein Al Orair
The daughter of Muhammed and Abta Sardah,[5][6] Wadhah belong to Bani Khalid.[7][8][9] Some reports state she is from the Qahtan tribe.[7][10][11][12][13] Ibn Saud and Wadhah has at least four children.[14]

Name Lifespan Notes
Turki (I) 1900–1919 Nominal heir in Riyadh and Najd
Saud 12 January 1902 – 23 February 1969 Crown Prince from 1932; King (1953–1964), Deposed and exiled.
Khalid 1320 AH - 1327 AH
Munira She married her full first cousin Fahd, the son of her paternal full uncle Sa'ad Al Abd al-Rahman[15] and daughter of her step mother. She also married Khalid bin Muhammad bin Abd al-Rahman Al Abd al-Rahman the son of her uncle and her step mothers sister Sarah bint Abdullah Al Sheikh. He died in 1972.[citation needed]
Nura[citation needed]
Abdullah[citation needed]

Sarah bint Abdullah bin Faisal[edit]
In ~1900 Sarah married Ibn Saud, but she bore him no sons.[4] She later married Turki bin Abdallah bin Saud Al Saud and then Abd al-Aziz bin Musaid bin Jiluwi Al Jiluwi. Her mother was the aunt of Ibn Sauds first wife.[16]

Tarfah bint Abdullah Al Sheikh
Tarfah belongs to the Al Sheikh clan.[17][18] Her father was Abdullah bin Abdullatif. She married Ibn Saud in 1902[19] and had at least five children with him.[13]

Name Lifespan Notes
Khalid (I) (born 1903, died in 1904)
Faisal (April 1906 – 25 March 1975) Was Prime Minister and Regent prior to deposing his brother; King (1964–1975); murdered.
Saad (I) (1914–1919) Robert Lacey in his book The Kingdom states that Princess Hassa actually mothered Saad.[verification needed]
Anud (born 1917, date of death unknown)
Nura (1903–1938) She married her half first cousin Khalid, the son of her paternal half uncle Muhammad Al Abd al-Rahman[20][21]

Lulua bint Salih Al Dakhil
Ibn Saud and Lulua had at least one child [22]

Name Lifespan Notes
Fahd (I) (1906–1919)

Al Jawhara bint Musaed Al Jiluwi
Main article: Al Jawhara bint Musaed Al Jiluwi
Ibn Saud and Al Jawhara had at least three children

Name Lifespan Notes
Muhammad (1910–1988) nicknamed Abu Al-Sharayn ("Father of the two evils"); Held many ministries under his father and older brother Saud. Led revolt against Saud and was briefly de jure Crown Prince before ceding the job to his full brother Khalid.
Khalid (II) (13 February 1913 – 13 June 1982) Crown Prince 1965—75; King 1975–1982
Al Anoud

Lajah bint Khalid bin Hithlayn
Ibn Saud and Lajah had at least one child.[citation needed]

Name Lifespan Notes
Sara (1916 – June 2002)

Bazza (I)
Bazza (I) was a Moroccan woman.[13][23][24] Ibn Saud and Bazza had at least one child.

Name Lifespan Notes
Nasser[25] (1911–1984) His brother died from alcohol poisoning, while at a party Nasser hosted, while he was governor of Riyadh. He was later excluded from all positions and disgraced.[citation needed]

Jawhara bint Saad bin Abdul Muhsin al Sudairi
Jawhara bint Saad Al Sudairi[26] Jawhara bint Saad was the sister of Haya bint Saad who was also spouse of King Abdulaziz and the mother of Prince Badr, late Prince Abdul Majid and Prince Abdul Illah.[26] Ibn Saud and Jawhara had at least four children.


Name Lifespan Notes
Sa'ad (II) (1915–1993) Bypassed for throne, given chairmanship of royal family council of Al Saud (precursor of Allegiance Council) as consolation prize.
Musa'id (1923–2013)[27] Disgraced when son murdered King Faisal. Bypassed from succession.[citation needed]
Abdul Mohsin (1925–1985)
Al Bandari (1928–2008)[28]

Hassa Al Sudairi
Main articles: Hassa bint Ahmed Al Sudairi and Sudairi Seven
Her lifespan was 1900–1969.

1. Fahd (II) (1921 – 1 August 2005); King (1982–2005)
2. Sultan (1928–2011); Crown Prince (2005–2011)
3. Luluwah (ca. 1928–2008)[29]
4. Abdul Rahman (1931-2017); Deputy Minister of Defense and Aviation (1978–2011), removed from Succession.
5. Nayef (1933–2012); Crown Prince (27 October 2011 – 16 June 2012)
6. Turki (II) (1934-2016); Deputy Defense Minister (1969–78), removed from Succession.
7. Salman (born 31 December 1935); King (2015–present)
8. Ahmed (born 1942); Deputy Minister of the Interior (1975–2012) and briefly as Minister of the Interior in 2012, removed from Succession.
9. Jawahir[citation needed]
10. Latifa
11. Al Jawhara
12. Moudhi (died young)[citation needed]
13. Felwa (died young)[citation needed]

Shahida
Shahida (died 1938) was an Armenian woman who was reportedly the favourite wife of King Abdulaziz.[30][31] Ibn Saud and Shahida had at least three children.

1. Mansour (1921 – 2 May 1951); Minister of Defense, died from alcohol intoxication while partying.
2. Misha'al (1926 - 3 May 2017); Minister of Defense, removed from Succession
3. Qumash (1927 – September 2011)[32]
4. Mutaib (born 1931); Minister of Municipal and Rural Affairs (1980 to 2009), removed from Succession.

Fahda bint Asi bin Shuraim Al Shammari
Main article: Fahda bint Asi Al Shuraim

1. Abdullah (1 August 1924 – 23 January 2015); King (2005–2015)
2. Nuf[citation needed]
3. Seeta (c. 1930 – 13 April 2011); initiated the Princesses' Council

Bazza (II)
Bazza died in 1940 and was Syrian or Moroccan.[33][13][34]

1. Bandar (born 1923)
2. Fawwaz (1934–2008)
3. Mishari[citation needed]

Haya bint Sa'ad Al Sudairi
Second wife from that clan.[35] Her lifespan was (1913 – 18 April 2003).[citation needed]

1. Badr (I) (1931–1932)[citation needed]
2. Badr (II) (1933 – 1 April 2013)
3. Huzza (1951 – July 2000)
4. Abdul Ilah (born 1939)
5. Abdul Majeed (1943–2007)
6. Nura (born 1930)[citation needed]
7. Mishail[citation needed]
8. Zubri[citation needed]

Bushra
Name Lifespan Notes
Mishari (1932 – 23 May 2000)[36]
Munaiyir[edit]
Munaiyir was an Armenian woman. Her lifespan was (c. 1909 – December 1991).[citation needed]

1. Talal (I) (1924–1927)[citation needed]
2. Talal (II) (born 1931)
3. Nawwaf (16 August 1932 – 29 September 2015)
4. Madawi[36]

Mudhi

1. Sultana (c. 1928 – 7 July 2008)[37]
2. Haya (c. 1929 – 2 November 2009)[38]
3. Majid (II) (9 October 1938 – 12 April 2003)
4. Sattam (21 January 1941 – 12 February 2013)

Nouf bint Al Shalan
Nouf was the daughter of Nawaaf[who?]. She married in November 1935.

1. Thamir (1937 – 27 June 1959)[citation needed]
2. Mamdouh (born 1941)
3. Mashhur (born 1942)

Saida al Yamaniyah[edit]
Saida was a Yemeni woman, hence her title al Yamaniyah.[citation needed]

1. Hathloul (1942 – 29 September 2012)

Baraka Al Yamaniyah
Main article: Baraka Al Yamaniyah

1. Muqrin (born 15 September 1945); Crown Prince (23 January 2015— 29 April 2015)

Futayma

1. Hamoud (1947 – February 1994)[36]

Mudhi bint Abdullah Almandeel Al Khalidi[edit]
Mudhi was from Bani Khalid[citation needed]

1. Shaikha (born 1922)[citation needed]

Aliyah Fakeer

1. Majid (I) (1939–1940)[citation needed]
2. Abdul Saleem (1941–1942)[citation needed]
3. Jiluwi (I) (1942–1944)[citation needed]
4. Jiluwi (II) (1952–1952); the youngest son of Ibn Saud but died as an infant.[citation needed]

Khadra
No known offspring.[39]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descendants_of_Ibn_Saud

So all your take about harems, adultery and what not is nonsense, I am afraid!

Shiekh Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, was also a student of Shiekh Muhammad Hayat Sindhi, and we all know where Sindh is.

Regards

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