Head of Jamaat e Ahmadiyyas' response to Gujranwala riots

[Jazzbot]

i beg to differ on the bold part in my opinion they have the right to call them whatever they like and no one has the the right to enforce their view .. as muslims we should wait for the day of judgement and let Allah decide our fate

We have clear instructions in Quran about finality of Prophethood of Muhmmad (peace be upon him). So we don't have to wait for the day of Judgement for that. Ahmadi people have their own faith and religion, they are free to practice it. They should just stop calling themselves a Muslim.

The key to all this mess in in their own hands, they can live peacefully in Pakistan and practice their religion the way they want. They should accept that they are not Muslims, and show stop calling themselves as Muslims and stop using the name of Islam. The day they will do that, this mess will be over.

n not to mention th #IK who always gives response of all major events after two days was first to respond today ....Pity

For your kind information, the Prime Minister is Nawaz Sharif, and CM punjab is Shahbaz Sharif. You guys have a habit of dragging IK into everything, even in your family matters.. Quit it now.

 

[Multani]

Sunnis have invented their own Shahdadah. They translate it as There is no God but Allah and Muhammad(saw) is his LAST Messenger. See these people hate Ahmadis so much that these people are teaching the wrong Kalimah Shahadah to their children. I have met Sunnis in UK they say Shahdaha says that Muhammad(saw) is his last messenger. It looks like Pakistani Sunnis can't even understand basic Arabic. Where does the word khatam even mentioned in the Shahadah?

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Can any Pakistani sunni read this and tell me how you have committed the biggest blasphemy by changing the shahdah which is the basic foundation of Islam.

Jaanbaz your argument is not valid. Actually, this is the kalimah, the shortest form of the Shahadah. You cannot state the truth smaller than this.

Question: What is Shahadah? It is a statement of the ultimate truth.

There is No God but Allah

and

Muhammad IS his Messenger

When you say IS, you are attesting exclusively that his message IS until qiyamah and true. Part of his message is he IS the Last Messenger as Allah tells us in the Qur'an Hakim, and as he himself told us in the Hadith. This is the most fundamental belief without which you cannot be a Muslim. The Prophet acted to this message himself by rejecting the historic figure Musaylima Kaddhab in yamama [ present day Riyadh, capital of Saudi Arabia land of Bani Hanifa who declared himself a prophet ]

So, if any Muslim says

There is No God but Allah and Muhammad is the LAST Messenger as his own Shahadat [ by adding the word Last ], then it is valid because it IS the truth and includes the above kalimah as a part.

@Pakistani Exile
@pak-marine
@Leader
@Jazzbot
@Jungibaaz

That doesn't mean Sunni Muslims changed the Kalimah, the shortest form of the Shahadat.

 

[Gazprom]

hmm.... this thread has circle jerk of the anti-ahmedi muslim bigots. Always sunnis are mischief and violence against poor ahmedi muslims.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

hmm.... this thread has circle jerk of the anti-ahmedi muslim bigots. Always sunnis are mischief and violence against poor ahmedi muslims.

I think you forget Rawalpindi incident when shia people killed 15+ Sunnis. Sir, Nobody is innocent... Here, Every section of Islam is involved for unrest and violence. Hundreds of videos available on you tube . Gojra incident , or any other..
Here People follows matric fail Mullahs. Every Mullah is not terrorist but most of them are uneducated. They even don't know a,b,c of Science and new tech but able to call others non Muslim, blasphemy fatwas and struggle for Jihad.

 

[Multani]

I think you forget Rawalpindi incident when shia people killed 15+ Sunnis. Sir, Nobody is innocent... Here, Every section of Islam is involved for unrest and violence. Hundreds of videos available on you tube . Gojra incident , or any other..
Here People follows matric fail Mullahs. Every Mullah is not terrorist but most of them are uneducated. They even don't know a,b,c of Science and new tech but able to call others non Muslim, blasphemy fatwas and struggle for Jihad.

Those were not Sunnis in Rawalpindi. They were local deobandis.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Those were not Sunnis in Rawalpindi. They were local deobandis.

They call themselves sunni,even they have organisation with name ahle sunnat ul jamaat.

 

[Multani]

They call themselves sunni,even they have organisation with name ahle sunnat ul jamaat.

They call themselves deobandi on the streets of Punjab.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

They call themselves deobandi on the streets of Punjab.

Like your name is Toseef, but you are being called multani , same case for them..
In few streets of Punjab, deobandi but overall sunni.... And organisation ahle sunnat ul jamaat.

 

[Multani]

Like your name is Toseef, but you are being called multani , same case for them..
In few streets of Punjab, deobandi but overall sunni....

That is not the case in Pakistan. They call themselves deobandi, very proudly.

Look at this proud deobandi

"the second part of the AHLAY-E-SUNNAT WAL JAMAAT JALSA..
I proud to be a DEOBANDI."

 

[Irfan Baloch]

On 27 July 2014, Ahmadi Muslims in Kachi-Pump in Gujranwala were attacked by local extremists in a sectarian attack. During the attack, 3 Ahmadi Muslims, including a 7 year old girl and her 8 month old baby sister were martyred.
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Pakistan has its own Gaza
its a shame that no inqalabi or tabdili marcher had few words of condolences for the innocent loss of life.

if I missed the comments from TAQ and IK then please forgive me.

. It's like a chap calling himself a Muslim while not praying at all.

he will be called a Bad example for a Muslim ,.. not a non-muslim.. not someone who needs to be burnt alive or dragged out of the bus and executed for having a wrong name on his / her ID card.

anyone who identifies himself as a Muslim is actually a Muslim if he recites the Kalma.
and then comes the part of what level of Muslim he is and how safe other people are around him when he opens his mouth or decides to pull a cord or a trigger.

 

[Pakistani E]

Jaanbaz your argument is not valid. Actually, this is the kalimah, the shortest form of the Shahadah. You cannot state the truth smaller than this.

Question: What is Shahadah? It is a statement of the ultimate truth.

There is No God but Allah

and

Muhammad IS his Messenger

When you say IS, you are attesting exclusively that his message IS until qiyamah and true. Part of his message is he IS the Last Messenger as Allah tells us in the Qur'an Hakim, and as he himself told us in the Hadith. This is the most fundamental belief without which you cannot be a Muslim. The Prophet acted to this message himself by rejecting the historic figure Musaylima Kaddhab in yamama [ present day Riyadh, capital of Saudi Arabia land of Bani Hanifa who declared himself a prophet ]

So, if any Muslim says

There is No God but Allah and Muhammad is the LAST Messenger as his own Shahadat [ by adding the word Last ], then it is valid because it IS the truth and includes the above kalimah as a part.

@Pakistani Exile
@pak-marine
@Leader
@Jazzbot
@Jungibaaz

That doesn't mean Sunni Muslims changed the Kalimah, the shortest form of the Shahadat.

You have gone so far in your opposition to Ahmadis that you are now adding to even the Kalimah. Shameless. If the word 'last' was that important in matters of faith than God himself would have added it. But Sunni pure Muslims in Pakistan think they are above Allah Ta'ala (nazibillah) that they think it is their duty to add bits that Allah Ta'ala forgot to add (nazibillah).

Having said, I have ran out of patience with Pakistani 'Muslims', I can never follow the terrorist distortion of Islam that they follow. To you your religion and to me mine.

Pakistan has its own Gaza
its a shame that no inqalabi or tabdili marcher had few words of condolences for the innocent loss of life.

if I missed the comments from TAQ and IK then please forgive me.


he will be called a Bad example for a Muslim ,.. not a non-muslim.. not someone who needs to be burnt alive or dragged out of the bus and executed for having a wrong name on his / her ID card.

anyone who identifies himself as a Muslim is actually a Muslim if he recites the Kalma.
and then comes the part of what level of Muslim he is and how safe other people are around him when he opens his mouth or decides to pull a cord or a trigger.

My friend, look a few comments above mine and you will see a pure Pakistani muslim adding words to the Shahahdah just in his opposition to Ahmadis. yet they say Ahmadis commit blasphemy, how do you ague with such people?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Having said, I have ran out of patience with Pakistani 'Muslims', I can never follow the terrorist distortion of Islam that they follow. To you your religion and to me mine.

why does it matter what is the belief of a victim?
is our sympathy and tears only reserved for people of the correct faith?

what a tragedy . this country really deserves taliban


when Mongols used to massacre towns after towns and kingdoms after kingdoms ... they used to tell people tha they were the wrath of God and His punishment for their sins (although Mongols had no faith).

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Y yet they say Ahmadis commit blasphemy, how do you ague with such people?

yes Ahmedis commit blasphemy. yes shias commit blasphemy, yes wahabis play football with human skulls, yes wahabis commit rape and cannibalism & have ready fatwas for every deed they commit on the unfortunate people around them. yes beralvis burn people alive with total disregard for who committed the offence and who didnt and even not bothering to authenticate the story.

people claiming to be devotees of Muhammad PBUH dont even exhibit a single thing he had but instead do what his arch enemies like Abu Jhl, Abu Sufyan , Hinda did

who is more hurting?
I ask myself.. who is more nuisance to the society? to the fellow human beings?

and then "Muslims" praise Hitler.. wow..

 

[asad71]

Do you believe in Quran or not and do you believe Companions of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman and Ali?

If you believe in Companions Of Mohammad (PBUH), then you should know who wage the war against fake prophet after propher Mohammad (PBUH) death

The finality of the prophet-hood is not the only deviation. Continuation of The Holy Quora'an with "Ohis" through the fake"prophet". Stating that , Nawzunillah, that The Holy Prophret pbuh had committed mistakes to correct which this fake "prophet" has been sent. All those, like us, who do not accept these "fakes" as prophets are"kafirs" and must be opposed. There are others if you go through their teachings and practices.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

The finality of the prophet-hood is not the only deviation. Continuation of The Holy Quora'an with "Ohis" through the fake"prophet". Stating that , Nawzunillah, that The Holy Prophret pbuh had committed mistakes to correct which this fake "prophet" has been sent. All those, like us, who do not accept these "fakes" as prophets are"kafirs" and must be opposed. There are others if you go through their teachings and practices.

pointless talk really

Christians know what Jews say about Essah AS. and we know what non-Muslims say about Muhammad PBUH.

it doesnt matter as long as this argument is not taken to the point of slitting throats, burning people alive and blowing yourself up to restore the honor of those you hold dear.
restoring to terror and carnage wont restore honor but only instill more hatred and disgust among others.


Imagine if Hazrat Omar RA had any chance to convert to Islam for all his "objections" to Islam and even the plan to assassinate Muhammad PBUH? if Muslims of that time had our mentality then boy we would have been the talk of the past.. a small homicidal cult that vanished in the sands of time