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Has Islamic State Infiltrated Malaysia’s Military?

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we must put the blame where it is due, its not the faith but the fascist states and the brutal families that are using their money and influence to fan the sectarian and religious war on the world
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it is the FAITH of a person that drives him to do things in certain way.

if the faith is in anarchy. guess what the person will be anarchist.

You could say then, the faith is anarchy and not Islam. But that doesn't take away the fact that someone faith is responsible for his action.

This is why it is extremely important to address the faith and belief system if we are trying to figure out why a group of people would do what they are doing.
 
If it happened in Indonesia, those deserter soldiers will be in jail if they are lucky mostly ended by bullets

That's the punishment one should have for treason against the country and military. Not just for military but also for civilians who join those barbarians ISIS.

That's why in Indonesia we made Department of Religion, to made those interpretation always be kept on check and in line with State direction

We need to learn from you guys. Now I know how Indonesia is one of the most peaceful and tolerant countries in that region.

To be frank I was surprised there are takes for ISIS in a modern country like Malaysia where many people are quite liberal and sensible.
 
On April 13, local media cited Malaysian officials as saying that around 70 army personnel were found to have been involved with the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) militant group.

The reports were based on comments by Deputy Defense Minister Abdul Rahim Bakri, who told the country’s parliament that the figure had been confirmed with the police. Bakri, who was responding to a question by a lawmaker who asked how the ministry was ensuring soldiers did not join ISIS, did not provide any further specifics on the extent of this alleged involvement.

“The army is monitoring the situation via its investigation and intelligence division, together with its human resources section,” Bakri said according to The Straits Times.

“If army personnel are found to embrace elements of ISIS, the army and police will cooperate in our efforts to counsel them and restore their faith in accordance with proper teachings,” he added.

Bakri also reportedly said in response to an earlier question that recruits go through a stringent selection process, including checks on their criminal record, to ensure that false identification issues do not arise.

Anxieties about Malaysian armed forces personnel joining ISIS come amid government concerns about the group’s growing threat to the country’s national security. As The Diplomat reported previously, earlier this month Malaysian authorities detained 17 suspected militants for plotting to carry out terrorist attacks in the nation’s capital. Malaysian police chief Khalid Abu Bakar said the militants were part of a terror cell inspired by ISIS to create a similar regime in Malaysia, and civil servants and a security officer were reportedly part of the group.

The Malaysian government has been intensifying its crackdown on ISIS, with the country arresting dozens of people believed to be ISIS supporters – ranging from navy and air force personnel to university students – and recently passing a new anti-terror law. But as I have written earlier, the government’s approach has also sparked rights concerns among critics, who worry that the rising ISIS threat could be used to justify expanded powers for security forces who can then crack down on other political opponents as well. Some have pointed out that the Prevention of Terrorism Act (POTA) bears similarities to the Internal Security Act, which Prime Minister Najib Razak revoked in 2012 and had been previously used to detain critics including former deputy prime minister and opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim.

Has Islamic State Infiltrated Malaysia’s Military? | The Diplomat


Very disturbing, indeed.
 
both you @Lux de Veritas are wrong
problem is not with Islam or more specifically Sunni Islam,

problem is with Arab monarchies who are merciless to their own people and rule with fear and due to the oil wealth they have means to spread their relgio- political influence across the globe beyond their region.

Theocratic Iran of today is no shinning example either its Mullahs have also eliminated countless number of dissidents and political opponents and is only second to wahabi brand of international terrorism.

I agree that ISIS, LeJ, Taliban, Al Qaeda and Boko Haram will find more willing participants in the Sunni population rather than a shia one but because of misleading and wrong perceptions. because the potential participants wrongly think they are doing Gods work and by the time they are deep into it there is no way to return. either to get beheaded by fellow members for trying to abandon them or get killed by drones or opposing paramilitaries.

Humanity is the victim of this form of terrorism and intolerant extremism and the biggest group of victims are the Sunni themselves.

we must put the blame where it is due, its not the faith but the fascist states and the brutal families that are using their money and influence to fan the sectarian and religious war on the world

AVOID ANY GENERALISATION right now.
I meant to say that Sunni muslims are more prone to nationalisation than Shia Muslims. Arab monarchies or non-Arab dictators, most leaders seem to be using the religion to divert people's attention away from criticising the rulers so that they can indulge in corruption. Even today, they have no intention to control the so called non-state actors who are pumping billions of dollars into terrorism. Even the major powerful countries choose to ignore it for some reason. Whatever they have started, now has gone out of control and not even the creators have any control of it any more.

This is what Mahatir had to say about Jews:
We [Muslims] are actually very strong, 1.3 billion people cannot be simply wiped out. The Europeans killed 6 million Jews out of 12 million [during the Holocaust]. But today the Jews rule the world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them. They invented socialism, communism, human rights and democracy so that persecuting them would appear to be wrong so they may enjoy equal rights with others. With these they have now gained control of the most powerful countries. And they, this tiny community, have become a world power.[90]

I for one don't think he believed in what he said but rather said it to increase his own popularity. Blaming a group of community that lives thousands of miles for his woes is utter stupidity. In the case of Malaysia. this tradition of going to bed with Islamic extremists to increase their popularity has now become a threat to themselves.

The same outcome can be expected if some other religion was used for the same purpose so I am not specifically blaming the religion.

I hate when people turn a complex socio-political situation into simple 5th grade elementary school boy logic.

Ammi Ammi wo mojha marta hai
kyon kay main shia hoon (or Sunni hoon).

(Mommy Mommy, I want to slap that boy's butt because he is Shia (or he is sunni)

What a load of bull. really!

Oh bhai sahiib some countries lack institutions flexible enough to transform and adjust with the needs of changing times.

due that lack of flexibility, they break down, and allow small anarchist groups to flourish. The same thing is propellant in non-Muslim African societies too. There are militias like Lords Army responsible for horrendous crimes. Let's blame that militia instead of blaming Catholics vs. Presbyterians vs. evangelicals.

So I urge you to quit throwing around blames along the lines of Shia vs. Sunni and I also urge to stop ravaging the banana cart.
Are you implying that the root cause has to be with countries with lack of monetary assets? I disagree. Most of the funding for terrorism comes from so-called non-state actors in oil-rich gulf countries. I wouldn't say it's related to weak institutions. On this forum alone, you can find many terrorist sympathisers and some even proudly advocate how people from their countries volunteer to fight "foreign intruders". So I would conclude that it's more included to be cultural/political issue.

Today, Saudi citizens continue to represent a significant funding source for Sunni groups operating in Syria. Arab Gulf donors as a whole -- of which Saudis are believed to be the most charitable -- have funneled hundreds of millions of dollars to Syria in recent years, including to ISIS and other groups. There is support for ISIS in Saudi Arabia, and the group directly targets Saudis with fundraising campaigns, so Riyadh could do much more to limit private funding. U.S. officials have hinted that a combination of politics, logistics, and limited capabilities have impeded more effective Saudi efforts to counter terrorism financing. One particularly difficult problem is how to monitor cash transfers, a method common among Saudi donors.

More than asking the question of why the state doesn't do enough to stop its citizens from funding terrorism, I am interested to know why wealthy educated individuals involve in terrorism or funding terrorism which is hard to be understood.

That's the punishment one should have for treason against the country and military. Not just for military but also for civilians who join those barbarians ISIS.



We need to learn from you guys. Now I know how Indonesia is one of the most peaceful and tolerant countries in that region.

To be frank I was surprised there are takes for ISIS in a modern country like Malaysia where many people are quite liberal and sensible.
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No they are not.
 
In China, we have a vey complex attitude towards Islam and our own Muslin brothers in the country. I don't know when the next slaughter of non-Muslin civilians will happen. We are taught to treat them equally(and give them more rights) and but the reality is just like a slap in our face again and again. My relative who had worked in Urumqi for 40 years as a meteorologist finally moved back to his hometown after retirement.
 
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