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Whats so funny about that?

AEW&Cs are going to be in the Indian territory to even support the ground troops, receving data, and assigning missions.

Webby AWACS never really operate too far into a danger zone. they are too vulnerable to attack as their electronic signature is too large. you may be thinking of ELINT aircraft.
 
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keyser,

ELINT capability is news to me.

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/transall/

The capability seems to old (Vietnam, World War II), and what is so special about it that it can go into the enemys territory?

AEW&Cs can still go into the enemys territory, i have never said how much inside, that is up to the PAF. Thats of course my assumption nothing else. Any further information on ELINT capability?

Plus, Erieye does have ELINT capability, see this link.

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/emb/
 
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Medicore? to quote a phrase you are fond of.....got a link for that?

Since you don't like to pay attention you will note that the upgrades to the aircraft (second batch) have added an additional $10 million (approx) to the aircraft cost. It will have an AESA radar, BVR capability and full FBW. Oh and one important advantage......it's not testing anymore and is in production....

I love it when patriotism makes a platform invincible Aka MKI can't be touched....:disagree:

FUBAR, AESA from where.
ps: You dont need to test it, we know it flies. Weapon tests needs radar.lol. Since we are comparing it with Su-30MKI, It is already 60 in numbers and produced at 17/year
 
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keyser,

AEW&Cs can still go into the enemys territory, i have never said how much inside, that is up to the PAF.

No it is not with the PAF, but on your enemy's forces, Unless and untill Air Domination is achieved, AWACS will never come inside the Enemy territory. Counter-measures will only work this much
 
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FUBAR, AESA from where.
ps: You dont need to test it, we know it flies. Weapon tests needs radar.lol. Since we are comparing it with Su-30MKI, It is already 60 in numbers and produced at 17/year

Vixen 500E or 750 radars< The Grifo 2000 radar is upgradeable to Aesa, as is the RC400 and RBE2 which are being looked at. As has been stated about a MILLION times on this website and others, the first batch will have Chinese systems the second version will have upgrades to western gear.
 
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Stated on this Website is your cue to World of Truth my friend, That list of yours basically sums up the best radars in Europe, Wishlist.lol

RBE 2 is not an AESA, if I remember correctly, There is only one country with operational AESA as of right now. Others are in later or earlier stage of development
 
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Stated on this Website is your cue to World of Truth my friend, That list of yours basically sums up the best radars in Europe, Wishlist.lol

RBE 2 is not an AESA, if I remember correctly, There is only one country with operational AESA as of right now. Others are in later or earlier stage of development

You got alot of reading to do!

PS: He also stated other sites!

PAF Air Cheif, said they will let 2 chinese firm compete for the radar and "then we will let that radar compete with the western radars". Its been stated time and time again, recently from insider sources on PakDef (who from retired PAF personal with connections) said, Pakistan sent a delegation to UK.

Also, Pashmim is a very credible source he's the man behind who gave PAF their first F-16s through his connections with LM, and himself a F-86 and F-16 pilot, knew about the French radar awhile before he stated it, what ever that man has said came true in the past 3 years I been reading his posts, its your choice to accept it or not, even Keys will agree with me on this. Even he (Phasmim) knew before anyone on public forums that first 50 will be Chinese and rest 200 will be Western equipped. Also, been stated time and time again that PAF will get EW suites from western nations its you who ignore these things on purpose making yourself look like an idiot. You acted as if JF-17 didn't have RD-93 and you claimed you had a source and then I proved you wrong with a report from Russian news where as yours was Feb mines was from March. Hell, even PAF is now making a decision to go western with armament or with Chinese.

Source KDR

JF-17 News

Air Marshal Khalid Choudhry, Chairman of the Pakistan aeronautical Complex Board (PACB), accepted KDR&#8217;s exclusive interview. He disclosed that 8 JF17 fighters are now on the production line in Chengdu, and some of them will be delivered to Pakistan on March 23, 2007, the Independence Day of the country. These two JF17 fighters are expected to give demonstrative flights on the Independence Day, and the remaining JF17 fighters will all be delivered to Pakistan within 2007. In January 2008, Pakistan will start producing JF17 fighter.

Air Marshal Choudhry told KDR that the first batch of JF17 fighters would be fitted with Chinese-made radar systems, and currently two research institutes in Nanjing and Wuxi (KDR note: No.14 Institute and No.607 Institute) are bidding for the radar systems. Pakistan will make a decision upon completing all tests. Meanwhile, since the Pakistani Air Force has chosen the Grifo-7 radar system designed by Italian Galileo Avionica Company for F7PG fighter, Galileo Avionica hopes that eventually it will win the bid for JF17 radar system. &#8220;Pakistan is very clever. They will allow two Chinese companies to compete with each other first, and then get the Chinese compete with Western companies. If Pakistan requests, Galileo Avionica will provide Pakistan with the radar system for testing on JF17,&#8221; a source from Galileo Avionica said. KDR learned that the testing JF17 uses Chinese KLJ10 radar.


As for the weapon systems on JF17, China offered a number of choices, including LT-2 laser guided bombs, LS-6 GPS guided bombs and SD10 active radar guided AAMs. Nonetheless, Air Marshal Choudhry said that they are still assessing these offers and no final decisions have been made. JF17 can be fitted with either Chinese weapon systems or Western weapons.

As regard the application of RD93 engines, Air Marshal confirmed that &#8220;it is not an issue at all.&#8221; He said that Pakistan would formally begin manufacturing JF17fighters in January 2008. With technological assistance from China, installation of the production facility is now under way, and some of the equipments are imported from Western countries. The production output of JF17 after 2008 will be very much depending on the demand of the Pakistani Air Force, probably 15-20 annually. Air Marshal said that the eventual production plan would be more than 150, because the Pakistani Air Force needs to fully replace the existing hundreds of Mirage and J7 fighters.

Air Commodore Muhammad Kamal Alam, Managing Director of PACB, told KDR that the current plan is that RD93 will be serviced by China, but Pakistan has confidence that it would eventually maintain and repair the engines on its own, as Pakistan had the experience of repairing the American and French aviation engines simultaneously under extremely difficult conditions. He said that Pakistan planned to manufacture 15 JF17 fighters in 2008and another 20 in 2009.

According to the terms in the original JF17 production contract, eventually 50% of the production activity will be in Pakistan, and the final assembling will also be in Pakistan. There is also a plan to promote JF17 to the Sri Lanka Air Force.
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KDR has confirmed that JF17 uses longitudinal quadroplex fly-by-wire (FBW) system, and the lateral flight control system is still mechanical. The FC1 designed in 2001 was planned to use longitudinal duplex FBW system while Air Marshal Choudhry said that the upgraded JF17 fighter would use all directional FBW system.

Br. General Raja Hafeez, Managing Director for aircraft manufacturing at PACB, told KDR that the unit price of JF17 would be under US$20 million.

At the same time of receiving JF17 fighters, Pakistan also plans to purchase 18 F16 Block 52 fighters during the first phase, and it also reserves the option of purchasing another 18 fighters of the same model. In addition, Pakistan will upgrade the F16 fighters currently in service. The F16 Block 52 fighter currently being promoted to Pakistan is fitted with external fuel tanks similar to the F16 Block 52 fighters of the Singaporean Air Force. A source from the Pakistani Air Force says that the weapon systems to be fitted on F16 Block 52 are still under final assessment.

Group Captain Arif Mahmood TI (M), Director of Human Resources Department of the Pakistani Air Force Headquarters, disclosed to KDR that Pakistan is now tired of the constant sanctions and technological restrictions of other countries, and thus earnestly hopes that it can manufacture fighters independently. Nonetheless, he frankly acknowledged that the pilots of the Air Force like the US-made F16 better, and annual training time of these pilots is 100-200 hours. The requirements for F16 pilots are different from those for other types of fighters, and they are often assigned with a variety of tasks.

KDR assumes that the Pakistani Air Force has already put the JF17 plan on the top of its priorities.

With JF17 fighters entering the Pakistani Air Force soon, the Chinese military enterprises have started to bid for the weapon systems to be fitted on JF17. The laser guided bombs currently fitted on JF17 is extremely similar to the LT-2 LGB developed by Luoyang Optical-Electro Technology Development Center. In addition, China also put on display at the 2006 Zhuhai Air Show another type of laser targeting pod specifically designed for JF17.

At the IDEAS 2006 in Karachi, NORINCO displayed a 500kg laser guided called GB1,
which uses a laser seeker similar to that of the Russian 155mm Krashnopol gun launched projectile. This GB1 LGB is semi-active guided, and along with it on the display platform are a laser target designation device and a laser targeting pod. _

KDR reported earlier that Xi&#8217;an Sicong Group has obtained one set of the Russian Krasnopol LGB laser seeker, and Russia has also transferred the technology of this laser seeker to China. Technical experts from Xi&#8217;an Sicong Group claim that before the technological transfer from Russia, they had developed a laser seeker similar to that of Krasnopol. This laser seeker can be used not only on guided projectiles, but also on other aviation bombs.

Sicong Group displayed the Chinese edition Krasnopol laser seeker at the 2006 Zhuhai Air Show for less than one day before removing it from the exhibition platform, indicating that the Chinese military forces are now armed with this system. A source says that they not only hope to introduce the GB1 LGB onto the JF17 fighters of the Pakistan Air Force, but that the A5 attackers currently in service in Pakistan can also use this laser guided bomb. Nonetheless, a source from the Pakistan Air Force told KDR that they do not have plans to upgrade A5 attackers at the moment, as the lifespan of A5s is almost coming to an end.

The physical structure of this 500kg GB1 LGB is almost identical to that of LT-2 LGB, with the only difference in their guidance systems.

The Pakistan Air Force has already acquired the US-made GBU12 LGB, and Pakistan is also producing GBU12 laser seeker under technological license from the US. Some Western military observers have even claimed that China acquired the GBU12 laser guidance technology from Pakistan in the earlier years. The laser guidance technologies of LT-2 and GBU12 belong to the same generation. Under this circumstance, LT-2 will be in face of challenges in the Pakistani market from the indigenous GBU12.

http://www.pakdef.info/forum/showthread.ph...9179&page=3
(From PakDef)
 
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Stated on this Website is your cue to World of Truth my friend, That list of yours basically sums up the best radars in Europe, Wishlist.lol

RBE 2 is not an AESA, if I remember correctly, There is only one country with operational AESA as of right now. Others are in later or earlier stage of development

Sorry but the RBE2 has the ability to be upgraded with AESA modules as stated on the Thales website. The only issue is TOT which would raise the price. The Vixen radars are designed for platforms such as the JF-17 and are another that is being looked at. And have already been developed. This is a pretty much been discussed to death. on other forums and the people discussing it have a fair amount of insider knowledge. Go look around and then do your own research..........The "wish list" as you try to dismiss it... has a good likely hood of having some reality to it as there are several Western company's looking to bid for it.(As well as the 2 Chinese agencies)


(This came from a reliable source who has access to restricted info)

Looks like we'll get AESA at the same time then lol


http://www.selex-sas.com/datasheets/Vixen500E.pdf

http://www.dassault-aviation.com/defense/gb/publications/img/FoxThree1.pdf
 
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i donot know much about Vixen radars ,Sea harriers in indian navy have to operate with Blue Fox radar but it has been replaced by much better Elta's 2032 radar Royal navy had offered some pre retired sea harriers to indian navy last year which had Blue Vixen radar but they were not keen to transfer it to india ,all existing radars can be upgraded to AESA ,Elta 2052 AESA was based on Elta's 2032 radar it self ,but important think it just because radar is AESA doesn't make it comparable to F-22 AN/APG-77 AESA radar ,The AESA is powered by hundreds of microchip radar emitters stacked together into a large array antenna.more the T/R modules better the radar F-22 AN/APG-77 radar is supposed to have 2800 TR,The TR module can be programmed to act as a transmitter, receiver, or radar.what Americans have is 4th generation AESA.closes AESA radar is of F-35 AN/APG-81 and Israeli Elta 2050 (around 2200 tr modules) ,Which radar Jf-17 is getting is not yet clear and speculating of AESA radar now ,people are too early for party here
 
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Webby, in Pakistan's case it will have to keep the AWACS safe out of the border areas. Erieye will not fly near the border for the reason that they are very sucesptible to being shot down and there would be fear of an IAF attack. Its a very important asset which has to be protected at all costs. IAF has HUGE numerical superiority, it would be hard for the plane to operate in the border areas, unless some modicum of air superiority is achieved by PAF in Pakistan border areas.
 
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i donot know much about Vixen radars ,Sea harriers in indian navy have to operate with Blue Fox radar but it has been replaced by much better Elta's 2032 radar Royal navy had offered some pre retired sea harriers to indian navy last year which had Blue Vixen radar but they were not keen to transfer it to india ,all existing radars can be upgraded to AESA ,Elta 2052 AESA was based on Elta's 2032 radar it self ,but important think it just because radar is AESA doesn't make it comparable to F-22 AN/APG-77 AESA radar ,The AESA is powered by hundreds of microchip radar emitters stacked together into a large array antenna.more the T/R modules better the radar F-22 AN/APG-77 radar is supposed to have 2800 TR,The TR module can be programmed to act as a transmitter, receiver, or radar.what Americans have is 4th generation AESA.closes AESA radar is of F-35 AN/APG-81 and Israeli Elta 2050 (around 2200 tr modules) ,Which radar Jf-17 is getting is not yet clear and speculating of AESA radar now ,people are too early for party here

Thank you zeus, that was a very good post,
Isnt the APG-77 the only operational Radar now
 
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Keyser,

You are telling me the Chinese has Aircarft AESA radar.
 
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