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It's got delayed is true by 5 or 6 years I agree with you

But it's not too late to be combat effective

On paper it's the most hi tech advanced war plane we have bar the rafale.

Please note I said advanced not combat effective or combat proven . Combat proven can happen after years of service

But the flight control the cockpit the radar the weapon s choice the hmd hobs the composite airframe makes it's excellent and better than mig29 mirage2000 even mki

Like I said it's s small hi tech computer
 
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It's got delayed is true by 5 or 6 years I agree with you

But it's not too late to be combat effective

On paper it's the most hi tech advanced war plane we have bar the rafale.

Please note I said advanced not combat effective or combat proven . Combat proven can happen after years of service

But the flight control the cockpit the radar the weapon s choice the hmd hobs the composite airframe makes it's excellent and better than mig29 mirage2000 even mki

Like I said it's s small hi tech computer

Important thing is its out there now and we can now use this as the focal base for "real" application based military aerospace sector development going forward...and this help gestate future projects from the get go.

Its really about developing and inculcating the whole network of things (so you got something you can test and keep improving and using for start of next thing) just like ISRO did in early to mid days (and look where they are now).

Would also like to commend @MirageBlue for some excellent posts in this thread.
 
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Excellent news for Tejas fans. The success of the Naval LCA Mk1 in performing arrested landings and take-offs from INS Vikramaditya have given the Indian Govt. and Navy enough confidence to OFFICIALLY go ahead with the TEDBDF program.

The Indian Govt's Ministry of Defence and Navy have given the go-ahead to the Twin Engine Deck Based Fighter, to supplement and eventually replace MiG-29Ks on IN's aircraft carriers.

This now means it is an official program, and requisite funding will be made available.

And 99% likelihood that the 57 MRCBF requirement for imported Rafale M or Super Hornets is now history.

First flight target set for 6 years from now, i.e. 2026. Service entry targeted for 2030.

Just to clear it for everyone- this is SEPARATE from the Tejas Mk2 single engined fighter that is in the Mirage-2000 class. The TEDBF will be in the Rafale class, weight and payload wise. Hopefully the IAF comes onboard as well, so an IAF variant of TEDBF (i.e. ORCA) can be developed and inducted in the early 2030s. It would have 90% commonality with TEDBF, just as the Rafale M shares about 90% commonality with the Rafale C single seater.

New Made-In-India Fighter Cleared For Development, First Flight In 6 Years
by Vishnu Som
Updated: June 04, 2020

The new fighter-jet will be designed to operate from the deck of India's two aircraft carriers INS Vikramaditya and the soon to be inducted INS Vikrant.

Buoyed by the success of trial landings of the Tejas-N fighter on board the Navy aircraft carrier, INS Vikramaditya, the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) has given the go ahead for the development of a twin engine made-in-India fighter jet.

NDTV has learnt that the governing body of ADA, the principal designer of the Tejas fighter, now in squadron service with the Indian Air Force, has discussed the indigenous development of the new fighter in a meeting chaired by Defence Minister Rajnath Singh and attended by the Navy and Air Force Chiefs on 22 May. Following this meeting, the Operational Requirements (ORs) for the new fighter were issued by the Integrated Headquarters of the Ministry of Defence.


Development of the new fighter jet comes at a time when the government announced a series of structural reforms in the Defence sector under the "Atmanirbhar" or self-reliance goal which is meant to result in India dramatically cutting down on its defence imports.

The prototype of the new fighter-jet, designed to operate from the deck of India's two aircraft carriers, INS Vikramaditya and the soon to be inducted INS Vikrant, is meant to fly within six years with induction of the fighter within a decade.


The fighter, plans for which were first reported on NDTV in January, is a twin-engine evolution of Tejas-N prototype which has been indigenously developed and extensively test-flown.

The Tejas-N programme culminated with a series of "arrested landings" and take-offs from INS Vikramaditya off the Goa coast where two prototypes of the jet were able to successfully land on the carrier in January by using its arrestor hook to snare steel wires spread across the deck of the ship. This allowed the fighters to decelerate from approximately 244 kmph (the landing speed) to a standstill in approximately two seconds in a distance under 90 metres, within the length of the deck of INS Vikramaditya.

Those involved in the design and development of the new Indian fighter, an advanced variant of the single-engine Tejas-N, say that they have benchmarked the performance characteristics of the jet to Boeing's F/A-18 E/F "Super Hornet", in service with the US Navy and the Marine Rafale, deployed on the French Navy aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle. They say the new jet may imbibe technologies being developed for the IAF's Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) but will not be a stealth fighter in the same class.

At least three variations of the design of the new fighter are being studied presently and Computational Fluid Dynamics (CFD) tests and wind tunnel modelling will ensure the optimum shape of the fighter to match its projected operational capabilities. It's still unclear whether the new fighter will be a tail-less delta platform, similar to the IAF's LCA Tejas fighter or, for that matter, feature canards, a small forewing placed ahead of the main wing of the aircraft to aid manoeuvrability.


The new fighter, once inducted, is meant to supplement and ultimately replace the Indian Navy's fleet of MiG-29K fighters presently in service on board the INS Vikramaditya. A high-performance jet, the MiG-29K has been plagued with serviceability issues in Indian Navy service. The new indigenous fighter is designed to be more reliable. Those close to the project have told NDTV that they expect the new fighter to be able to be armed with at least six air to air missiles with an operational endurance of approximately two hours.

The project to develop a twin engine deck-based fighter (TEDBF) reflects a maturity and confidence in the development of the Tejas fighter jet upon which the new fighter will be based. On May 27, the Indian Air Force operationalised its second Tejas fighter jet squadron after first inducting the jet in 2016. Multiple variants of the Tejas based on additional capabilities are being progressively inducted. The most advanced variant of the fighter for the IAF, the Tejas Mk-2 is expected to be inducted by 2025. The new fighter being developed for the Navy is being classified as an altogether different fighter and is expected to be superior to the IAF's Tejas Mk-2 in several respects, once developed.
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Important thing is its out there now and we can now use this as the focal base for "real" application based military aerospace sector development going forward...and this help gestate future projects from the get go.

Its really about developing and inculcating the whole network of things (so you got something you can test and keep improving and using for start of next thing) just like ISRO did in early to mid days (and look where they are now).

Would also like to commend @MirageBlue for some excellent posts in this thread.

Indeed.And thanks for the kind words.

Here is what is coming from Indian aerospace companies in the next 2 decades

15 more Tejas Mk1 FOC single seaters
10+8 Tejas Mk1 FOC trainers
73 Tejas Mk1 single seaters
Approx 123 Tejas Mk2 single seaters
Approx 60-70 Twin Engine Deck Based Fighters (for Navy)
Approx 123 AMCA

That's 300+ fighters for the IAF and 60+ for the Navy.

I'm not even counting what would happen if the IAF decides to dump the 114 MRCA from a foreign vendor and goes for an Air Force version of TEDBF. That would add 114 ORCAs to the mix.

Now imagine the scope of how much revenue and business will be generated in India for building, maintaining and upgrading these 400+ fighters over the next 30-40 years!

Private sector suppliers will have enough Return on Investment to justify investing in facilities for aerospace.

The Modi Govt's decisions of the last 5 years to go as much as possible towards indigenisation is going to transform India's aerospace industry. Mark my words.
 
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Indeed.And thanks for the kind words.

Here is what is coming from Indian aerospace companies in the next 2 decades

15 more Tejas Mk1 FOC single seaters
10+8 Tejas Mk1 FOC trainers
73 Tejas Mk1 single seaters
Approx 123 Tejas Mk2 single seaters
Approx 60-70 Twin Engine Deck Based Fighters (for Navy)
Approx 123 AMCA

That's 300+ fighters for the IAF and 60+ for the Navy.

I'm not even counting what would happen if the IAF decides to dump the 114 MRCA from a foreign vendor and goes for an Air Force version of TEDBF. That would add 114 ORCAs to the mix.

Now imagine the scope of how much revenue and business will be generated in India for building, maintaining and upgrading these 400+ fighters over the next 30-40 years!

Private sector suppliers will have enough Return on Investment to justify investing in facilities for aerospace.

The Modi Govt's decisions of the last 5 years to go as much as possible towards indigenisation is going to transform India's aerospace industry. Mark my words.

In total agreement with the post ! However its time to walk the talk. It has to get inked , atleast the 83Mk1A. Not sure whats the hold up.
 
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In total agreement with the post ! However its time to walk the talk. It has to get inked , atleast the 83Mk1A. Not sure whats the hold up.

Contractual issues. Those will be ironed out, it's after all money going from the IAF and MoD to HAL, which is also GoI owned.

The bigger thing was CCS approval and that came through.
 
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Have seen the Tejas over my home near Yelahanka AFS for over 12 years,really happy to see her in Sqn service.
More happy to see the spin off in the TEDBF program as well.Golden era for Indian Aero Engg teams.
 
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Guys on capability point of view

I read some where the tejas mark1a with elta 2052 radar and Astra bvr and extended range derby bvr could be the best bvr platform in Indian air force by 2023/2025. This is based on the lower rcs of tejas versus all other fighters bar the rafale .
My imo is that bvr rank wise in capab8kity will be

Rafale = rbe2 radar meteors and mica
Tejas = elta 2052 derby and astra
Su30mki = bars pesa r77 and r27
Mig29up/mig29k zhuk aesa r77 and 27
Mirage2000/5 = rdy400 and magic.

I refer to lethality only not range or payload.

Both rafale and tejas are harder to see and have good radars which are harder to jam and excellent range bvr missles

In this order
 
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Currently PAF outclasses everything that India has as far is BVR is concerned. Derby/Astra are inferior to the SD10A. Once the Rafales turn up, shortly AESA equipped PL15s will neutralise that threat. So, India will not have a chance to outclass PAF in the BVR space.
 
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What is the craze with pl -15 I say, it's basically for non maneuverable slow flying aircraft at long ranges like aewacs....

It's no magic bullet. Get over the hype

Currently PAF outclasses everything that India has as far is BVR is concerned. Derby/Astra are inferior to the SD10A. Once the Rafales turn up, shortly AESA equipped PL15s will neutralise that threat. So, India will not have a chance to outclass PAF in the BVR space.
Had that been the scenario PAF wouldnt have ordered American missiles.
They would have settled with SD10a
 
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SP21 (FOC) with the removable IFR probe removed:

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Guys on capability point of view

I read some where the tejas mark1a with elta 2052 radar and Astra bvr and extended range derby bvr could be the best bvr platform in Indian air force by 2023/2025. This is based on the lower rcs of tejas versus all other fighters bar the rafale .
My imo is that bvr rank wise in capab8kity will be

Rafale = rbe2 radar meteors and mica
Tejas = elta 2052 derby and astra
Su30mki = bars pesa r77 and r27
Mig29up/mig29k zhuk aesa r77 and 27
Mirage2000/5 = rdy400 and magic.

I refer to lethality only not range or payload.

Both rafale and tejas are harder to see and have good radars which are harder to jam and excellent range bvr missles

In this order
Major drawback of LCA Mk-1A is it's limited operational range and fewer hardpoints. MWF will fix that but we need to fastrack the development of MWF
 
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SP21 (FOC) with the removable IFR probe removed:

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I love the tejas design it's perfect for India lightweight fighter segment

Major drawback of LCA Mk-1A is it's limited operational range and fewer hardpoints. MWF will fix that but we need to fastrack the development of MWF

The range is better than most of us realise
It's in the same range as other lightweight fighters be it gripen or thunder.

Please remember India will have ample long range fighters in mki and rafale.

What India needs is cost-effective indengious multi role light weight fighter operating no futher than our borders
 
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