Gulf States Set To Buy Iron Dome System

[Saif al-Arab]

It's funny that this rumor is taken for granted. Even funnier when we take into account that similar rumors (as recently as May 2015) have been disproved already whenever the rumors appeared.

Saudi Arabia 'rejects Israeli offer to supply Iron Dome' | The Times of Israel

In short I don't buy this "news" at all. At least not in the case of KSA and since KSA is practically ruling GCC I doubt that any GCC country will buy the Iron Dome System.

 

[Metanoia]

@Daneshmand Why do you reckon Oman is interested in buying? The news you posted states Oman as one of the countries also opting for the Iron Dome...therefore I doubt that this news might be true.

 

[Daneshmand]

@Daneshmand Why do you reckon Oman is interested in buying? The news you posted states Oman as one of the countries also opting for the Iron Dome...therefore I doubt that this news might be true.

Well, basically Oman is a "neutral" country within GCC. They will follow the general policies of GCC as much as they can, but strategically they want to remain neutral. Think Switzerland which was part of the West during the cold war, and took part in alot of weapon development and deployment but kept its neutral stance.

It's funny that this rumor is taken for granted. Even funnier when we take into account that similar rumors (as recently as May 2015) have been disproved already whenever the rumors appeared.

Saudi Arabia 'rejects Israeli offer to supply Iron Dome' | The Times of Israel

In short I don't buy this "news" at all. At least not in the case of KSA and since KSA is practically ruling GCC I doubt that any GCC country will buy the Iron Dome System.

Not at all.

The foreign minster of Bahrain has confirmed it. Saudi Arabia and GCC are buying the system from Israel: Gulf States Negotiating To Buy Israeli-Made Iron Dome Anti-Missile Technology Amid Fear Of Growing Iranian Arsenal

"The Israelis have their small Iron Dome. We'll have a much bigger one in the [Gulf Cooperation Committee]," Khalid Bin Mohammed al Khalifa, Bahrain’s foreign minister, told Sky News. The deal could be worth hundreds of billions of dollars, and the technology would likely be set up to defend a number of countries. The GCC Includes Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Bahrain, Oman and Kuwait.

 

[Styx]

What a huge mistake Israel is making here by allying with the islamo-fascist Isis al Qaeda al Sauds.

Hope this is bs.

 

[Mirzah]

It's funny that this rumor is taken for granted. Even funnier when we take into account that similar rumors (as recently as May 2015) have been disproved already whenever the rumors appeared.

Saudi Arabia 'rejects Israeli offer to supply Iron Dome' | The Times of Israel

In short I don't buy this "news" at all. At least not in the case of KSA and since KSA is practically ruling GCC I doubt that any GCC country will buy the Iron Dome System.

Way to crush zionist fanboy wet dreams

 

[GBU-28]

What a huge mistake Israel is making here by allying with the islamo-fascist Isis al Qaeda al Sauds.

Hope this is bs.

What nonsense are you spouting? have you forgotten your medication today?

Even if the story is true, selling a defensive system to the Gulf states is not "allying with ISIS/IslamoFascists"

It's business. Israel & USA need a return on their investment at some point.

 

[Styx]

What nonsense are you spouting? have you forgotten your medication today?

Even if the story is true, selling a defensive system to the Gulf states is not "allying with ISIS/IslamoFascists"

It's business. Israel & USA need a return on their investment at some point.

Saudi is where the Isis al Qaeda ideology comes from, Israel should either stay away or get close and stab them in the back real hard.

 

[Natan]

Saudi is where the Isis al Qaeda ideology comes from, Israel should either stay away or get close and stab them in the back real hard.

Why not letting ISIS/AQ kill Hezbullah/IRGC and vice versa, and watch the show?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Saudi is where the Isis al Qaeda ideology comes from, Israel should either stay away or get close and stab them in the back real hard.

No, it did not you dumb Indian. Using that logic all ills of the Muslim world and all 1.7 billion Muslims are due to KSA since Islam and all its sects originate from KSA.

Neither ISIS nor Al-Qaeda developed in KSA nor where any of its leaders Saudi Arabians. OBL was half Yemeni and half Syrian.

Lastly Israel is no threat for the GCC. So keep hallucinating and dreaming. Meanwhile in the real world it seems that you need to take your medication as another user already mentioned.

Your obsession with the 500 million or so Arabs seems like a really harsh disease for you. So go seek help.

Well, basically Oman is a "neutral" country within GCC. They will follow the general policies of GCC as much as they can, but strategically they want to remain neutral. Think Switzerland which was part of the West during the cold war, and took part in alot of weapon development and deployment but kept its neutral stance.



Not at all.

The foreign minster of Bahrain has confirmed it. Saudi Arabia and GCC are buying the system from Israel: Gulf States Negotiating To Buy Israeli-Made Iron Dome Anti-Missile Technology Amid Fear Of Growing Iranian Arsenal

Oman is firmly in the GCC camp and will by no means remain neutral should the security of the GCC (and thus her own) be challenged by people/entities who want to commit suicide.

Lastly that source is not enough and the quote seems entirely made up. No such news in any Arabic media either. Find me an Arabic source from Bahrain and then we can talk.

While you are at it read up on the missile defense system that KSA and the GCC use at large. One of the most sophisticated out there. I really fail to see what the Iron Dome System can change or improve on this front that is not already there and which cannot be bought from the US or other partners.

 

[That Guy]

Let me educate u a bit.

Iron Dome is combat proven system which protects against all types of artillery rockets (MLRS). Ranging from small 107-mm Type 63 to huge 300-mm Smerch and 330-mm Fajr-5. Iron Dome missiles are relatively cheap (~40 K per interceptor compare to 3 million for Patriot PAC-3) and can deal with large salvos. It was developed by Israel alone.

US does not have anything similar. Here US missile defence systems:

* Patriot PAC 2/PAC 3 - against short range ballistic missiles.
* THAAD - against intermediate range ballistic missiles.
* Standard SM-3 - against intermediate-long range ballistic missiles.
* GBI - against long range ballistic missiles.

None of them is designed to deal with artillery rockets and even the smallest PAC-3 interceptor is about 70 times more expensive than Iron dome.

Israel has anti missile systems as well:

* David's Sling is similar to PAC-3 but should be cheaper (1M per interceptor instead of 3M).
* Arrow-2 is somewhere in between PAC-2/3 and THAAD.
* Arrow-3 should be similar to THAAD / Standard SM-3, but again cheaper.

I don't know how that contradicts what I said. I DID mention that the Iron Dome system was created as a cheap answer. The only thing we disagree on is Israel developing this system alone.

Anyway, the gulf arab nations won't be facing cheap unguided rockets, they'll be facing sophisticated systems, including cruise missiles that hug the ground. The Iron dome can deal with artillery fire just fine, but has yet to prove it can protect against an advanced system such as a cruise missile.

Anyway, we're talking about the Iron dome, not David's sling or any other such system.

My point still stands.

Iron Dome has nothing to do with ship-based AEGIS, and you haven't provided a single name of a system, comparable with Iron Dome.

I'm not going to waste my time on you any further. Welcome to my ignore list.

So, instead of reading the rest of my links, you just picked one. Yeah, nice going. Way to ignore my entire argument, and nitpick.

 

[500]

I don't know how that contradicts what I said. I DID mention that the Iron Dome system was created as a cheap answer.

Natan asked you for US systems similar to Iron Dome. You posted irrelevant links. US does not have a system similar to Iron Dome.

The only thing we disagree on is Israel developing this system alone.

Well you failed to provide anything to support this claim. Iron Dome is 100% Israeli development.

Anyway, the gulf arab nations won't be facing cheap unguided rockets, they'll be facing sophisticated systems, including cruise missiles that hug the ground.

Rockets like Smerch or Fajar-5 are not that cheap or simple (Smerch launcher, for example costs over 12.5 million $ and 1 Smerch rocket about 120 K $). But range indeed not enough to threaten Gulf countries.

 

[Basel]

Natan asked you for US systems similar to Iron Dome. You posted irrelevant links. US does not have a system similar to Iron Dome.


Well you failed to provide anything to support this claim. Iron Dome is 100% Israeli development.


Rockets like Smerch or Fajar-5 are not that cheap or simple (Smerch launcher, for example costs over 12.5 million $ and 1 Smerch rocket about 120 K $). But range indeed not enough to threaten Gulf countries.

Basically US don't need any dedicated system in this regard, plenty of their systems can do that like C-RAM also they are developing Laser weapons which will be able to destroy any man made flying object.

 

[That Guy]

Natan asked you for US systems similar to Iron Dome. You posted irrelevant links. US does not have a system similar to Iron Dome.

It's a missile defense system, just because the US systems are more expensive, doesn't mean they're completely different. They run on the same principle, to search, intercept and destroy incoming flying objects, such as missiles.

Well you failed to provide anything to support this claim. Iron Dome is 100% Israeli development.

The US funded it, and there are legitimate reasons to believe that the US was heavily involved in helping develop the system, as Israel simply didn't have the technical know how. The fact that Israel developed it in such a short amount of time, it's lend support to this.

Rockets like Smerch or Fajar-5 are not that cheap or simple (Smerch launcher, for example costs over 12.5 million $ and 1 Smerch rocket about 120 K $). But range indeed not enough to threaten Gulf countries.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Smerch and Fajar-5 are simple rocket launchers and artillery pieces. Just because they're expensive, doesn't mean they're guided or super advanced (relatively speaking).

In the face of cruise missiles, which are the biggest threat that the GCC faces from Iran in a conventional war, would the Iron dome be good enough? That is the point. Right now, I see no reason to believe such a thing.

 

[500]

It's a missile defense system, just because the US systems are more expensive, doesn't mean they're completely different. They run on the same principle, to search, intercept and destroy incoming flying objects, such as missiles.

I've already explained. Totally different classes. US does not have such class of missiles.

The US funded it

US funded procurement of some batteries, it did not fund the development.

, and there are legitimate reasons to believe that the US was heavily involved in helping develop the system, as Israel simply didn't have the technical know how.

Thats baseless nonsense. Israel makes own missiles since 1960-es.

The fact that Israel developed it in such a short amount of time, it's lend support to this.

Israel used many ready components: Elta artillery radar, Derbi missile motor, control and parts of the seeker.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Smerch and Fajar-5 are simple rocket launchers and artillery pieces. Just because they're expensive, doesn't mean they're guided or super advanced (relatively speaking).

Many ballistic missiles dont have advanced guidance either. For example the prime target of PAC-3 is Scud with very primitive guidance.

In the face of cruise missiles, which are the biggest threat that the GCC faces from Iran in a conventional war, would the Iron dome be good enough? That is the point. Right now, I see no reason to believe such a thing.

VS cruise missiles best is air force.

Basically US don't need any dedicated system in this regard, plenty of their systems can do that like C-RAM also they are developing Laser weapons which will be able to destroy any man made flying object.

C-RAM protects only point targets vs. mortars or very short range rockets.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Iron Dome protects against artillery rockets , Patriot protects against Cruise Missiles and ICBMs , THAAD protects against ICBMs

Iron dome rill now has only been tested against crude home made qassam rockets with controversial results....


GCC buying from Israel is total bs... No prominent Gulf state has ties with Israel...