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This is common knowledge, I'm not going to do your homework for you. It isn't just Israel and the US that has developed such systems, nor is such a system new.

Also, US scientists and defense corporations collaborated heavily on the project, so no. Israel didn't have the technology, until the US gave it to them.

The Iron dome is just a rudimentary design, compared to what the Gulf Arabs need. Iran's missiles aren't regular Katyusha rocket batteries, nor glorified big bullet shaped cannon balls that Hamas uses.

Iran's missiles are sophisticated, and require major investment to counter, especially since Iran not only fields cruise missiles, but also has the largest advanced missile system inventory in the entire region. The Iron dome is meant as a cheap answer to unguided missiles targeting sensitive areas, which is a major reason why Israel considers an 80-90% interception rate as a success for the Iron dome program. Any other scenario, anything short of 99% would be considered a failure.

Next time you want to say something, google it before hand.
Let me educate u a bit.

Iron Dome is combat proven system which protects against all types of artillery rockets (MLRS). Ranging from small 107-mm Type 63 to huge 300-mm Smerch and 330-mm Fajr-5. Iron Dome missiles are relatively cheap (~40 K per interceptor compare to 3 million for Patriot PAC-3) and can deal with large salvos. It was developed by Israel alone.

US does not have anything similar. Here US missile defence systems:

* Patriot PAC 2/PAC 3 - against short range ballistic missiles.
* THAAD - against intermediate range ballistic missiles.
* Standard SM-3 - against intermediate-long range ballistic missiles.
* GBI - against long range ballistic missiles.

None of them is designed to deal with artillery rockets and even the smallest PAC-3 interceptor is about 70 times more expensive than Iron dome.

Israel has anti missile systems as well:

* David's Sling is similar to PAC-3 but should be cheaper (1M per interceptor instead of 3M).
* Arrow-2 is somewhere in between PAC-2/3 and THAAD.
* Arrow-3 should be similar to THAAD / Standard SM-3, but again cheaper.
 
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Good . i really pray this is true

The news is confirmed and reported by Sky News, citing foreign minister of Bahrain. The deal included not only iron dome but also other systems worth hundreds of billions of dollars and is being mediated by Americans to bring Gulfies close to Israel:

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Gulf States Set To Buy Iron Dome System


EXCLUSIVE: The Gulf states are talking to firms about obtaining Israeli-developed anti-missile systems to defend against Iran.


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The Iron Dome missile system has been used to protect Israel


By Sam Kiley, Foreign Affairs Editor

Bahrain and other members of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) are in negotiations to buy the Israeli-developed Iron Dome anti-missile system to defend against "a growing arsenal of Iranian missiles".

The Israeli weapon, which has reduced the effectiveness of rockets fired out of Gaza into Israel by about 90% would be bought through Raytheon and other American contractors who developed the Iron Dome with Israeli arms giant Rafael.

A deal for the whole of the GCC, which includes Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, Oman, Qatar and Kuwait, would be worth tens, perhaps hundreds, of billions of dollars.

It would also include longer range interceptor missiles such as David's Sling, and the Arrow I and Arrow II which are capable of intercepting supersonic intercontinental ballistic missiles - also a joint venture between Israel and the US.

Khalid bin Mohammed al Khalifa, Bahrain's foreign minister said on the visit to London: "The Israelis have their small Iron Dome. We'll have a much bigger one in the GCC."


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The sale of Israeli-developed weapons to a Gulf state, or states, would have been controversial for both the Israelis and the buyers a few years ago.

But both now see one of the main threats to them as the growing military strength and ambitions of Iran.

The US is quietly playing the "middle man" in the deal as a sweetener to bitterness caused in the Gulf over what the leadership in that region believe is a "naive" deal with Iran over its nuclear weapons programme.

"Iran has been trying to undermine and topple government in our region for years," the Bahrain foreign minister said.

He said that Iran's precision missile capacity was certain to increase as a consequence of the lifting of sanctions following the internationally brokered agreement with Tehran to end its nuclear weapons development.

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"They will put a lot of money into this programme to develop techniques and tactics to defeat our missile defences ... the strategy appears to be one of saturation to stockpile enough missiles to overwhelm any defence system we build in the Gulf," he added.

As a result of this perceived threat, plans to buy Israeli weapons, via the US, would result in a profits bonanza for both American and Israeli firms.

Talks are understood to be well advanced.

One senior Gulf government source said: "If Netanyahu were not making less of a mess of things and was more like Anwar Sadat (who signed a peace deal for Egypt with Israel) then we would be happy to buy the missiles straight from Israel."

Israel developed its anti-missile systems to defend against Gaza's rockets in part but overwhelmingly against Hezbollah's arsenal in southern Lebanon.

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Iran Claims Israel Drone Shot Down


Israeli sources claim that this includes weapons capable of precision attacks on any target inside the Jewish State as well as up to 100,000 other missiles of less capability and accuracy which have been accumulated to try to overwhelm the Iron Dome and other systems with Iranian funds and supplies.

Led by Saudi Arabia, GCC nations are locked in a bloody conflict with Shi'a Houthi rebels in the Yemen which western and Gulf intelligence sources insist are backed by Tehran.

The GCC's fears of an Iranian threat increasing when sanctions are lifted has been further deepened by Tehran's growing alliance with Moscow which, like Iran, has come to the military defence of the government of Bashar al Assad in Syria.

As a Shi'a-Russian crescent of influence is seen spreading across the Middle East so Gulf States have been privately reaching out to the old enemy to Israel.

Now with a potentially massive arms sale, those relations are begin to emerge from the shadows of regional rivalries."

Congrats to Saudi Arabia on its new alliance with Israel.
 
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Business is business.

Saudi has been hit by rockets from Yemen, has it not? I know this is purportedly to counter Iran.

I think Iron Dome can take down UAV's too if I'm not mistaken.

Israel is also developing Iron Beam which is a laser version designed to protect against mortars.
 
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Business is business.

Saudi has been hit by rockets from Yemen, has it not? I know this is purportedly to counter Iran.

I think Iron Dome can take down UAV's too if I'm not mistaken.

Israel is also developing Iron Beam which is a laser version designed to protect against mortars.

Good luck doing business with Saudi Arabia. They have alot of money they want to dispose off.

They are even ready to pay hundreds of billions of dollars as the article says, to get some toys which will come with kill switches installed on them.

What ever makes both happy.
 
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Good luck doing business with Saudi Arabia. They have alot of money they want to dispose off.

They are even ready to pay hundreds of billions of dollars as the article says, to get some toys which will come with kill switches installed on them.

What ever makes both happy.

USA will take a big cut. If it happens, the sale will go through them. USA partially funded the development, so it's understandable they'll want their investment back.

Still could be a good deal. Purely defensive system, so Iran shouldn't be too bothered.
 
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USA will take a big cut. If it happens, the sale will go through them. USA partially funded the development, so it's understandable they'll want their investment back.

Still could be a good deal. Purely defensive system, so Iran shouldn't be too bothered.

Exactly. But Israel will definitely make huge money too. They are not going to do it for charity for sure.

Iran is not worried at all. Rather this development benefits Iran enormously in political sphere in Muslim world since Iran can basically say look Saudi Arabia and Israel are allies. Militarily too, Iran is moving towards application of science and technology to develop home grown solutions for its military and civilian problems and the science and technology share in Iran's policy planning is only going to increase into the future. So, no worries at all. Things are going exactly the way, they benefit Iran in a long term way.
 
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Well i guess Saudia Should Buy Egyptian Amoun System like Kuwait did , good against these kind of Rockets especially the modernised version with better Radar and 16 cell..As it stopped Iraqi Silkworm missiles before.
 
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Well i guess Saudia Should Buy Egyptian Amoun System like Kuwait did , good against these kind of Rockets especially the modernised version with better Radar and 16 cell..As it stopped Iraqi Silkworm missiles before.

That is not an Egyptian system. Egypt imports that system from United States. It is manufactured and maintained by Raytheon: Raytheon: Investors: News Release

It uses AIM-7 missiles which were originally designed as Air to Air missiles. It is not comparable to modern systems such as Iron Dome at all.
 
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That is not an Egyptian system. Egypt imports that system from United States. It is manufactured and maintained by Raytheon: Raytheon: Investors: News Release

It uses AIM-7 missiles which were originally designed as Air to Air missiles. It is not comparable to modern systems such as Iron Dome at all.
Egyptian Modified version of Aspada the Italian , Kuwait bought some from Egypt before and after gulf war , Egyptian Version uses 7m , while Kuwait gone for Aspide 2000 .. with new modification in cells , still a good choice for Gulf against suck rockets from Yemen and cruise missiles also.
 
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@Zarvan do you approve this deal ? hahaha go through all the pages and see what your Arab brothers are doing with Pakistani mullahs like you.
 
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Egyptian Modified version of Aspada the Italian , Kuwait bought some from Egypt before and after gulf war , Egyptian Version uses 7m , while Kuwait gone for Aspide 2000 .. with new modification in cells , still a good choice for Gulf against suck rockets from Yemen and cruise missiles also.

Whatever. Even if it is better than Iron Dome, Arrow II and Patriot still, Saudi Arabia will not give hundreds of billions of dollars to Egypt to buy this American system from Egypt.

This is not about air defense.

It is about making alliances. Saudi Arabia is looking to make a powerful strategic alliance with Israel.

Egypt can not play that role, not only Egypt does not have the strength but also the technology.

Saudi Arabia's goal is to corner Iran. For that they want to make alliance with Israel and United States in a long term strategic partnership. Egypt does not come into that picture at all, I am afraid.

Unless if Egypt joins the Saudis-Israeli strategic alliance as a non-vital member like Bahrain and UAE.
 
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Whatever. Even if it is better than Iron Dome, Arrow II and Patriot still, Saudi Arabia will not give hundreds of billions of dollars to Egypt to buy this American system from Egypt.

This is not about air defense.

It is about making alliances. Saudi Arabia is looking to make a powerful strategic alliance with Israel.

Egypt can not play that role, not only Egypt does not have the strength but also technology.

Saudi Arabia's goal is to corner Iran. For that they want to make alliance with Israel and United States in a long term strategic partnership. Egypt does not come into that picture at all, I am afraid. Unless if Egypt joins the Saudis-Israeli strategic alliance as a non-vital member like Bahrain and UAE.

Can you read? it's not American .. Italian Egyptian Swiss

ok Egypt isn't strong with 240 f-16s + 24 rafale+20 mirage 2000 + k-8,alphajet, and coming mig-35 .. with Fremm frigate , 6 Gowind corvette , 4 german 209 submarines , not to mention other american frigates .
1200 abrams tanks , 1600 m-60 tank and other t-55 and t-62 tanks .. i won't mention all weapons , just main weapons .. with over 100 million Egyptian Citizen,


i don't care with whom Saudi stand with or make alliance with... even with the devil i don't care because i hate the saudi regimes and the coup they financed in Egypt.
 
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Can you read? it's not American .. Italian Egyptian Swiss

ok Egypt isn't strong with 240 f-16s + 24 rafale+20 mirage 2000 + k-8,alphajet, and coming mig-35 .. with Fremm frigate , 6 Gowind corvette , 4 german 209 submarines , not to mention other american frigates .
1200 abrams tanks , 1600 m-60 tank and other t-55 and t-62 tanks .. i won't mention all weapons , just main weapons .. with over 100 million Egyptian Citizen,


i don't care with whom Saudi stand with or make alliance with... even with the devil i don't care because i hate the saudi regimes and the coup they financed in Egypt.

Whatever.

I only wish good for Egypt.
 
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Israeli defense forces' missile defense systems as of today
Iron beam - the system is designed to destroy short-range rockets, artillery, and mortars too small for the Iron Dome system to intercept effectively. In addition, the system could also intercept unmanned aerial vehicles.
Iron dome - The system is designed to intercept and destroy short-range rockets and artillery shells fired from distances of 4 kilometres (2.5 mi) to 70 kilometres (43 mi) away and whose trajectory would take them to a populated area. Israel hopes to increase the range of Iron Dome's interceptions, from the current maximum of 70 kilometres (43 mi) to 250 kilometres (160 mi) and make it more versatile so that it could intercept rockets coming from two directions simultaneously.
David Sling (Also known as stunner and magic wand) - designed to intercept medium- to long-range rockets and cruise missiles, fired at ranges from 40 km (24.85 miles) to 300 km (186.41 miles). David's Sling is meant to replace the MIM-23 Hawk and MIM-104 Patriot in the Israeli arsenal. It is designed to intercept the newest generation of tactical ballistic missiles, such as Iskander, using an on-board dual CCD/IIR seekers to distinguish between decoys and the actual warhead of the missile.
Patriot - The Patriot is an American surface-to-air missile system designed to intercept aircraft and mid-to-long range missiles. It is manufactured by the Raytheon Company, a U.S. defense contractor. In recent years, Israel has carried out various modifications to the Patriot system in order to enhance its effectiveness. The Patriot operates in conjunction with other anti-missile systems, including the Iron Dome, Magic Wand and Arrow systems, to counter the various aerial threats that Israel faces.
Barak 1(older version ) & barak 8 - Barak 8 has been designed to counter a wide variety of air-borne threats, such as; anti-ship missiles, aircraft, UAVs drones and supersonic missiles When coupled with a modern air-defence system and multi-function surveillance track and guidance radars, (such as the EL/M-2248 MF-STAR AESA on board the Kolkata-class destroyers) Barak 8 enables the capability to simultaneously engage multiple targets during saturation attacks.
Israel Aerospace Industries describe Barak 8 as "an advanced, long-range missile defense and air defense system" with its main features being:
  • Long Range
  • Two way data link (GPS S band)
  • Active Radar Seeker Missile
  • 360 degree coverage
  • Vertical Launch
  • Multiple Simultaneous Engagements
Barak 8 has been described as giving potential use as a point defence anti-ballistic missile due to its combination of advanced capabilities.
Arrow 1 – not in use
Arrow 2 - The system is designed to work quickly and efficiently. As soon as Green Pine detects an incoming missile, the fire control center, called “Citron Tree,” launches its interceptor missile. The 23-foot long interceptor shoots toward the threat at nine times the speed of sound, and reaches a height of 30 miles in less than three minutes. Once it gets within two seconds of its target, Arrow’s optical detectors aims for the incoming missile’s warhead.
The interceptor’s own explosive warhead detonates within 40 to 50 yards of the missile, allowing Arrow to miss its target and still neutralize the threat. In this manner, Arrow differs from U.S. interceptors like the Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3) and the Theater High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD), which rely on hit-to-kill technology in which the kinetic force of a precise impact causes the destruction of the threat.
Arrow 3 - Arrow 3 should be able to intercept ballistic missiles, especially those carrying weapons of mass destruction, at altitudes of over 100 km (62 mi), and in greater ranges. It could also be ship-based. Arrow 3 is faster than the Arrow 2 and slightly smaller, weighing nearly half.
An Arrow 3 battery is expected to intercept salvos of more than five ballistic missiles within 30 seconds. Arrow 3 can be launched into an area of space before it is known where the target missile is going. When the target and its course are identified, the Arrow interceptor is redirected using its thrust-vectoring nozzle to close the gap and conduct a "body-to-body" interception.
 
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Israeli defense forces' missile defense systems as of today
Iron beam
- the system is designed to destroy short-range rockets, artillery, and mortars too small for the Iron Dome system to intercept effectively. In addition, the system could also intercept unmanned aerial vehicles.
Iron dome - The system is designed to intercept and destroy short-range rockets and artillery shells fired from distances of 4 kilometres (2.5 mi) to 70 kilometres (43 mi) away and whose trajectory would take them to a populated area. Israel hopes to increase the range of Iron Dome's interceptions, from the current maximum of 70 kilometres (43 mi) to 250 kilometres (160 mi) and make it more versatile so that it could intercept rockets coming from two directions simultaneously.
David Sling (Also known as stunner and magic wand) - designed to intercept medium- to long-range rockets and cruise missiles, fired at ranges from 40 km (24.85 miles) to 300 km (186.41 miles). David's Sling is meant to replace the MIM-23 Hawk and MIM-104 Patriot in the Israeli arsenal. It is designed to intercept the newest generation of tactical ballistic missiles, such as Iskander, using an on-board dual CCD/IIR seekers to distinguish between decoys and the actual warhead of the missile.
Patriot - The Patriot is an American surface-to-air missile system designed to intercept aircraft and mid-to-long range missiles. It is manufactured by the Raytheon Company, a U.S. defense contractor. In recent years, Israel has carried out various modifications to the Patriot system in order to enhance its effectiveness. The Patriot operates in conjunction with other anti-missile systems, including the Iron Dome, Magic Wand and Arrow systems, to counter the various aerial threats that Israel faces.
Barak 1(older version ) & barak 8 - Barak 8 has been designed to counter a wide variety of air-borne threats, such as; anti-ship missiles, aircraft, UAVs drones and supersonic missiles When coupled with a modern air-defence system and multi-function surveillance track and guidance radars, (such as the EL/M-2248 MF-STAR AESA on board the Kolkata-class destroyers) Barak 8 enables the capability to simultaneously engage multiple targets during saturation attacks.
Israel Aerospace Industries describe Barak 8 as "an advanced, long-range missile defense and air defense system" with its main features being:
  • Long Range
  • Two way data link (GPS S band)
  • Active Radar Seeker Missile
  • 360 degree coverage
  • Vertical Launch
  • Multiple Simultaneous Engagements
Barak 8 has been described as giving potential use as a point defence anti-ballistic missile due to its combination of advanced capabilities.
Arrow 1 – not in use
Arrow 2 - The system is designed to work quickly and efficiently. As soon as Green Pine detects an incoming missile, the fire control center, called “Citron Tree,” launches its interceptor missile. The 23-foot long interceptor shoots toward the threat at nine times the speed of sound, and reaches a height of 30 miles in less than three minutes. Once it gets within two seconds of its target, Arrow’s optical detectors aims for the incoming missile’s warhead.
The interceptor’s own explosive warhead detonates within 40 to 50 yards of the missile, allowing Arrow to miss its target and still neutralize the threat. In this manner, Arrow differs from U.S. interceptors like the Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3) and the Theater High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD), which rely on hit-to-kill technology in which the kinetic force of a precise impact causes the destruction of the threat.
Arrow 3 - Arrow 3 should be able to intercept ballistic missiles, especially those carrying weapons of mass destruction, at altitudes of over 100 km (62 mi), and in greater ranges. It could also be ship-based. Arrow 3 is faster than the Arrow 2 and slightly smaller, weighing nearly half.
An Arrow 3 battery is expected to intercept salvos of more than five ballistic missiles within 30 seconds. Arrow 3 can be launched into an area of space before it is known where the target missile is going. When the target and its course are identified, the Arrow interceptor is redirected using its thrust-vectoring nozzle to close the gap and conduct a "body-to-body" interception.

The article above says, Saudi Arabia is buying all these systems from Israel except the Barak, Iron Beam and Arrow III systems.

Though it might be because Iron Beam and Arrow III are not fully developed and therefore Israel has not offered them to Saudis.

Though a future deal can include these too. Israel for sure will make alot of money, selling these systems to Saudi Arabia and for training Saudi military personnel, also providing maintenance over the life of the systems in coming decades. Will create alot of high quality jobs for Israelis.
 
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