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It is hard to tell, because Pakistan is not in the news here, too far away, without any interaction.

An average Israeli Joe knows that Pakistan is a Muslim country without diplomatic relationship with Israel (i.e. dangerous place to visit, no Israeli tourists), and that Pakistan is far away and not involved in our difficult relationships with our neighbors (i.e. not dangerous, not interesting).

Hmm, but your government behave other way then what you have mentioned.

They are arming India due to Pakistan fear, also they want to restrict (if can't destroy) Pakistan's Nuclear weapons & delivery systems range. US is linking it with any future Nuclear deal with Pakistan.
 
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Hmm, but your government behave other way then what you have mentioned.

They are arming India due to Pakistan fear, also they want to restrict (if can't destroy) Pakistan's Nuclear weapons & delivery systems range. US is linking it with any future Nuclear deal with Pakistan.
Israel "is arming" India because India is our business partner, it has nothing to do with Israel's perception of Pakistan.

India pays for the goods, and India can be trusted that the goods won't end in some place we don't want them to get to. Once again, it has nothing to do with Israel's perception of Pakistan.

(BTW, Israel sells many types of weapons to Azerbaijan, it is not because Israel hates Armenia.)

As for Pakistan's nuclear weapons, you overestimate Israeli effort "to restrict it". We are busy with Iran's nuclear problem.
US has its own policy regarding such things.
 
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Israel "is arming" India because India is our business partner, it has nothing to do with Israel's perception of Pakistan.

India pays for the goods, and India can be trusted that the goods won't end in some place we don't want then to get to. Once again, it has nothing to do with Israel's perception of Pakistan.

As for Pakistan's nuclear weapons, you overestimate Israeli effort "to restrict it". We are busy with Iran's nuclear problem.
US has its own policy regarding such things.

But Israeli people should understand that there actions are taken as threat and poking nose in our issue with India by supporting them. Now the feel to take Israel in range of our conventional / non conventional weapons systems are increasing in Pakistan although no concrete evidence that Pakistan have achieved this capability. But friend of enemy is enemy too.

KSA needs PAC-3 &Iron Dome in numbers along with Yemen border.
 
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But Israeli people should understand that there actions are taken as threat and poking nose in our issue with India by supporting them. Now the feel to take Israel in range of our conventional / non conventional weapons systems are increasing in Pakistan although no concrete evidence that Pakistan have achieved this capability. But friend of enemy is enemy too.
I'm pretty sure Pakistan won't risk to attack Israel amidst a bloody war with India, just because India has Israeli weapons.
 
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GCC, Turkey and Israel, are the only places in the ME that are stable, modern, successful and safe. We should really work together and solve ME's problems. Though, I highly doubt that this news is accurate, I truly hop that it happens.

It's hard to disagree with that notion. The problem is practical implementation. The political maturity level in the ME is nowhere near that found in Europe and the West as a whole. There is a serious lack of genuine cooperation and solidarity with few exceptions.

There are a lot of reasons why relations with Israel would be a good thing.

We are neighbors, cousins, 21% of Israel's population is Arab, over 50% of all Israeli Jews have full or partial ancestral ties to the Arab world, Yemen being a major "exporter", Israel is a highly developed country in terms of technology and science (something that every Muslim country could learn from - not only Muslim) and we will always be neighbors. If we want to move this region forward that we consider as our home we need to cooperate for the betterment of the region as a whole.

Personally, although I have lost a lot of hope in Muslim brotherhood, cooperation, solidarity, the future of the region as a whole (too much hatred, backwardness etc.) I still would love to see a peaceful ME and that includes peace between Israelis and Palestinians but that conflict is not a conflict that directly involves us. Arabs or non-Arabs. It's a Israeli-Palestinian affair and only those two can make it work or not.

The hardest part will be to look at Israel in another light. Since 1948 wanting relations with Israel has been equal to being a traitor in the Arab and Muslim world.

Although people in the GCC have a more neutral or even at times favorable opinion of Israel than most Muslim countries or at least a lot of them, it's still largely negative due to the Palestinian question.

On a personal level though I am sure that we have more in common with Israelis than many non-Arab Muslim peoples and nations. That should be evident IMO.

The fact that we both live in the richest areas of the MENA region and that our people can buy the same products that most of the Muslim world cannot afford on average, travel to many of the same destinations, that our students study abroad in the same nations on a large scale and that we engage in many of the same activities minus aspects that involve alcohol, at least for most of us, lol, is also a factor that would make us closer compared to say the average Malian, Afghani, Uzbek, Mauritanian etc.

I have personally never had a problem with Jews or a negative view of them. My sole criticism has been aimed at certain Israeli politics. In reality I think that most people in the GCC feel this way. Especially if they made some research beforehand.

Anyway at the end of the day it's all about the interests of nation states and if people to people relations can improve this way then that's good.

P.S.: I have several Jewish friends (of all backgrounds) and we can even discuss politics in a civil manner without any trouble whatsoever. We are similar on many ways believe it or not. Arabs and Jews that it but we won't admit it.

There is a lot of hatred right now between Israelis and Palestinians but the average Israeli and Jew should know that there are millions of Arabs out there who are not out there to kill you and who actually would welcome peace and cooperation as neighbors and cousins which we like to joke about mutually or annoy each other with. Let the sons of Prophet Ibrahim (as) join hands and make our ancient region a shinning star again. The future lies in our hands. Hate or cooperation. It's our choice.
 
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I'm pretty sure Pakistan won't risk to attack Israel amidst a bloody war with India, just because India has Israeli weapons.

In past Israel have tried to attack Pakistan's Nuclear facilities more then once but our friendly nation passed intelligence at time due to which the attack was aborted, since then Pakistan keep in mind that they might need to strike Israel if they directly or indirectly attack Pakistan's Nuclear sites.
 
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Israel "is arming" India because India is our business partner, it has nothing to do with Israel's perception of Pakistan.

India pays for the goods, and India can be trusted that the goods won't end in some place we don't want them to get to. Once again, it has nothing to do with Israel's perception of Pakistan.

(BTW, Israel sells many types of weapons to Azerbaijan, it is not because Israel hates Armenia.)

As for Pakistan's nuclear weapons, you overestimate Israeli effort "to restrict it". We are busy with Iran's nuclear problem.
US has its own policy regarding such things.
Heard that some Merkava 3 or 4 were sold to Kazakhistan , true ?
 
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In past Israel have tried to attack Pakistan's Nuclear facilities more then once but our friendly nation passed intelligence at time due to which the attack was aborted
This story sounds like some rumors for internal consumption.

Heard that some Merkava 3 or 4 were sold to Kazakhistan , true ?
Nope. Some modernization kits for T-72's were sold to Kazakhstan, no Merkava tanks.
 
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This story sounds like some rumors for internal consumption.

No its not, PAF was on highest state of alert and was ready for do or die if necessary. @Windjammer can you enlighten on that to Mr. Natan.

@Natan @500 will Israel sell or offer weapons to Pakistan in future to create balance in SA???
 
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No its not, PAF was on highest state of alert and was ready for do or die if necessary. @Windjammer can you enlighten on that to Mr. Natan.
PAF? Pakistan is too far away to be bothered by IAF, and vice versa.

@Natan @500 will Israel sell or offer weapons to Pakistan in future to create balance in SA???
Is Pakistan going to offer Israel in the future the same relationship we have with India now?
 
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This would only make sense if Saudi Arabia seeks defense system against Houthi rockets, but not for Bahrain. I'm sure Gulf nations would rather put money into reliable systems with better background from US. Either way if this is true, they're getting ripped off and half of the other systems are still in development stage, you can't fix stupid though.

@haman10 @Serpentine

If this news turns out to be true, I think it will be in both our peoples interests to find routes around the system. By testing weapons from Gaza or Lebanon. I used to try to take moral position on things, but these guys hate us. And even if you dislike us, at least it's less than their disdain towards us. Hopefully an uprising is under way, and if Gaza is dragged it would be opportunity. I don't know how much if any Russia or China assist you in your missile program but maybe your locals will do good enough job.
 
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This would only make sense if Saudi Arabia seeks defense system against Houthi rockets, but not for Bahrain. I'm sure Gulf nations would rather put money into reliable systems with better background from US. Either way if this is true, they're getting ripped off and half of the other systems are still in development stage, you can't fix stupid though.

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Gulf Forces in Yemen Already got Pantsir and Saudia deployed Patriot there after Tuschka missile crisis ... yet Houthi launches mortars inside Saudi towns , i don't think Iron dome capable of stopping it.
 
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It's hard to disagree with that notion. The problem is practical implementation. The political maturity level in the ME is nowhere near that found in Europe and the West as a whole. There is a serious lack of genuine cooperation and solidarity with few exceptions.

There are a lot of reasons why relations with Israel would be a good thing.

We are neighbors, cousins, 21% of Israel's population is Arab, over 50% of all Israeli Jews have full or partial ancestral ties to the Arab world, Yemen being a major "exporter", Israel is a highly developed country in terms of technology and science (something that every Muslim country could learn from - not only Muslim) and we will always be neighbors. If we want to move this region forward that we consider as our home we need to cooperate for the betterment of the region as a whole.

Personally, although I have lost a lot of hope in Muslim brotherhood, cooperation, solidarity, the future of the region as a whole (too much hatred, backwardness etc.) I still would love to see a peaceful ME and that includes peace between Israelis and Palestinians but that conflict is not a conflict that directly involves us. Arabs or non-Arabs. It's a Israeli-Palestinian affair and only those two can make it work or not.

The hardest part will be to look at Israel in another light. Since 1948 wanting relations with Israel has been equal to being a traitor in the Arab and Muslim world.

Although people in the GCC have a more neutral or even at times favorable opinion of Israel than most Muslim countries or at least a lot of them, it's still largely negative due to the Palestinian question.

On a personal level though I am sure that we have more in common with Israelis than many non-Arab Muslim peoples and nations. That should be evident IMO.

The fact that we both live in the richest areas of the MENA region and that our people can buy the same products that most of the Muslim world cannot afford on average, travel to many of the same destinations, that our students study abroad in the same nations on a large scale and that we engage in many of the same activities minus aspects that involve alcohol, at least for most of us, lol, is also a factor that would make us closer compared to say the average Malian, Afghani, Uzbek, Mauritanian etc.

I have personally never had a problem with Jews or a negative view of them. My sole criticism has been aimed at certain Israeli politics. In reality I think that most people in the GCC feel this way. Especially if they made some research beforehand.

Anyway at the end of the day it's all about the interests of nation states and if people to people relations can improve this way then that's good.

P.S.: I have several Jewish friends (of all backgrounds) and we can even discuss politics in a civil manner without any trouble whatsoever. We are similar on many ways believe it or not. Arabs and Jews that it but we won't admit it.

There is a lot of hatred right now between Israelis and Palestinians but the average Israeli and Jew should know that there are millions of Arabs out there who are not out there to kill you and who actually would welcome peace and cooperation as neighbors and cousins which we like to joke about mutually or annoy each other with. Let the sons of Prophet Ibrahim (as) join hands and make our ancient region a shinning star again. The future lies in our hands. Hate or cooperation. It's our choice.

Their policy towards Palestinians won't change, so you either accept it and make relations or don't. Most Arab states have accepted and made relations. Don't think too much about how other Arabs may view it, go forward with it and see what it results in. If it is in certain Arab states interests to do so, then so be it. But don't tease me with the non-existent Arab nationalism, kill that idea completely. Unfortunately, PA cares too much about Arab states opinions hence they accept the status quo and surrender more land by the day. Hamas on other hand doesn't, just because we may be Arabs doesn't mean we need to go with the flow of sometimes seriously stupid people. It's better to get Arabs out of our lives, cut all ties with them, develop ties with non-Arabs and uproot the terrorist Israeli regime on our own and develop our nation from then on. If any Arabs threaten to invade us after we uproot the Zionist regime than we will host Russia and Iran to protect our borders.

Gulf Forces in Yemen Already got Pantsir and Saudia deployed Patriot there after Tuschka missile crisis ... yet Houthi launches mortars inside Saudi towns , i don't think Iron dome capable of stopping it.

It can't stop mortars, it's meant mostly for homemade rockets with below average velocity.
 
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PAF? Pakistan is too far away to be bothered by IAF, and vice versa.


Is Pakistan going to offer Israel in the future the same relationship we have with India now?

Currently not possible but who knows about future, also in Musharraf's time it was debated and if things had not gone wrong Internationally and domestically then we may had initiated limited relations not full acknowledgement.
 
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