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GST for dummies. Traders crying but Country happy

GST is very very simple.

If traders are feeling the current GST is complicated, it means only one thing. That they never paid taxes in their lives, ever.
Do you even know how horrible filing taxes were before GST?
Current GST is not even 1% complicated when compared to the previous tax regime.

All the looters who never paid taxes are feeling the burnt. Screw them. Why should you and me support these corrupt people when we pay taxes regularly?



What's new buddy?
And they call themselves liberals.:rofl:
may be... but govt should give more time for first few quarters otherwise it will increase corruption by tax ppl.
 
may be... but govt should give more time for first few quarters otherwise it will increase corruption by tax ppl.

It can't increase corruption.
Either the traders start paying taxes or they will go out of business.

The tax credits are the key. I have already explained why tax credits are key in the second post of this thread. Please look it up.

Traders are angry because they NEVER paid taxes, although they made the customers (You & me) pay taxes. It meant the taxes we were paying on articles went into their pocket and not into govt kitty.
Now they are being forced to pay taxes because there is no escape.
 
This is the $100Trillion question.

No it's not.

If there are two businesses selling the same product.
Business A claims credits, it means they have option of lowering the price and still have greater profits.
Business B which does not claims credits, will have a higher a input value on the product and can not afford to lower the price.

Material X = Rs 100
Input credit = Rs 20

Meaning, Business A bought the same article for 80 whereas
Business B bought the article for 100.

Business is a competition, Business A can afford to sell the Material X at a lower price than Business B simply because they bought the Material at a lower price.
This is not rocket science. It's elementary.
 
No it's not.

That's highly speculative.

Business A can can decide to continue to sell for 90 and bag another 10.

Perhaps Business B is also getting the credit but at 10 rather than A's 20.

Just because a business is public and opens up their books for their shareholders or the country's tax authority doesn't mean there aren't ways to hide money among discrepancies/miscellaneous.
 
That's highly speculative.

Business A can can decide to continue to sell for 90 and bag another 10.

Perhaps Business B is also getting the credit but at 10 rather than A's 20.

Just because a business is public and opens up their books for their shareholders or the country's tax authority doesn't mean there aren't ways to hide money among discrepancies/miscellaneous.

Let me know how Business B is getting the credit when they are NOT claiming them?
If they claim credits, then there is NO escaping the tax.

Regarding lower price, look up the Online market of India buddy.
You even get quality meats online delivered to you. I have used them extensively and they are top quality I assure you.
Ex: Licious.in
Now, how in the world would Business B compete with no tax credits? Oh yeah, the beauty of capitalism. It's a cutthroat world. You think Business A claiming Tax Credits won't even think of slashing prices to destroy their competitor?
Which world are you living in? :)
 
Which world are you living in? :)

One where everything isn't rational.

Hear me out.

Business A gets credits of 20 on it's 100. It has the option to sell for 80. But sees B selling for 90, or still at 100. Why would A want to lose out on an extra 10 or 20? When it can change it's prices.

Tiffany on 5th Avenue has more overhead than Singh's jewelers in the Bronx.
 
Business A gets credits of 20 on it's 100. It has the option to sell for 80. But sees B selling for 90, or still at 100. Why would A want to lose out on an extra 10 or 20? When it can change it's prices.

well, that's not how business world works.
You are talking as if there are only A & B selling the product. There is A-Z and from 1-10000.
All it takes is one who thinks, 'hey, let me slash my price by 5 and stuff the other guys'. And that's exactly how it works in real world.
Businesses COMPETE with each other.

Want to know how the scenario you are saying plays out?

Business A sees Business B selling the product at the same price as he is. On top of that A also sees B not paying any taxes and stuffing the profits into his pockets, while he is paying taxes and being a honest Joe.
Now guess what A would do? ;)
 
What's new buddy?
And they call themselves liberals.:rofl:

As usual the Liberal crowd has disappeared when confronted with facts.

If traders are feeling the current GST is complicated, it means only one thing. That they never paid taxes in their lives, ever.
Do you even know how horrible filing taxes were before GST?
Current GST is not even 1% complicated when compared to the previous tax regime.

All the looters who never paid taxes are feeling the burnt. Screw them. Why should you and me support these corrupt people when we pay taxes regularly?

this is 100% true. As I told I work in a financial consultancy company. We help traders register for GST. One of the requirement for GST registration is a PAN Card. You will be surprised to know how many of these traders and businessmen do not have something as basic as a PAN card leave alone any other registration like VAT, Sales Tax etc. When you and I work in a company our salaries will not be credited without a PAN Card. And these traders have been carrying out businesses for years without a PAN Card

I will also tell you about this Input Tax Credit and how it is forcing these businesses to come under the formal tax umbrella

You may not know but a business has to file 3 returns a month.
First is Sales - Details of all goods and services sold during the previous month
Second is Purchases - Details of all goods and services purchased for business purposes
Third is the reconciliation of Sales and Purchases

Suppose Business A sells something to Business B. He will have to quote both his and Business B's GST number when he files first return

Business B will quote both his and Business A's GST number when he files second return

In return 3 the reconcilation will happen only when both A and B have quoted each other's GST number. Only if there is a reconciliation in return 3 then Business B will get an Input Tax Credit.

What this simply means is that since Business B wants Input Tax Credit he will buy services from only those businesses who have a GST Number. So if Business A has to sell something to Business B he must have GST registration otherwise Business B will simply switch to Business C because Business C has a GST number and supplies the same goods and services as Business A

A lot of businesses that are now coming to GST are doing that precisely because their customers are demanding they get GST or they will find other vendors

The banks are not opening current accounts without GST

The transporters are not transporting goods without GST

The e-commerce portals like Flipkart and Amazon are not listing your products without GST

You cannot do a Google or Facebook ad without GST

Ultimately everyone has to come into the formal tax net. People who carried out business for years without paying a single paise tax are now feeling a pinch.

And some people are crying about 18% GST, 28% GST. Do they know that vast majority of traders can register for GST under composition scheme and pay GST as low a 2%-5% Previously the annual turnover limit of this was Rs. 75Lakh now it is Rs. 1 Crore

Basically if you are a small trader earning less than Rs. 1 Crore a year you can pay just 2% GST

there is a concern among traders that they dont understand all these new rules(gst was supposed to simplify the process but after multiple round of negotiations with opposition, it has become another complicated piece of legislature) , and the accountants as clueless(or inflated their fees).
hope govt treats the traders with compassion and not with a danda(give more time, dedicated helpline for queries, online self-assessment etc)
All these are being done. It is opposition which is shouting that the rules are complicated. Infact the govt has further simplified the rules just recently. I wont post it here but if you are interested you can read a blog I wrote for my company regarding the relaxed rules

http://www.soatech.in/gst-compliance-process-simplified/
 
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