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GST for dummies. Traders crying but Country happy

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GST explained in a simple way for dummies.

Why GST is a win win for both the nation and common man & why the traders are hating it is because of one simple and single reason.
Before they used to escape paying tax, NOW, there is no escape anywhere and they have to pay or else they will perish.
 

GST explained in a simple way for dummies.

Why GST is a win win for both the nation and common man & why the traders are hating it is because of one simple and single reason.
Before they used to escape paying tax, NOW, there is no escape anywhere and they have to pay or else they will perish.

Do you actually know anybody who pays this tax or is this just the result of your morning's trawling (look it up)?
 
Do you actually know anybody who pays this tax or is this just the result of your morning's trawling (look it up)?

Sir, I sure do not know as much about a lot of things than you but this is one area where I am fairly competent.

The question of whether some business pays tax or not, is moot.
If some business does not pay tax, it means they can not get source tax credits, which in turn means to earn profit, they have to sell it at a much higher price.

As am example-

Business man A, pays the taxes. A now can claim source tax credits. What it means is that A can now pass on the tax credits to customer, resulting in A selling the material at lower price.

Business man B, Does not pay taxes. B now can not claim source tax credits. Now, since B can not claim tax credits, B's base price is always higher since he is paying a much higher cost than A for the same material. Now, his sell price must always be higher because he can't make profit otherwise.

Now as customer, you have option of buying the same material from A or B.
A offers you at a much lower price, The law of natural selection means B will be eliminated from business.

People look at GST and often forget the source credits.
Anyone who has worked in previous system will see this being very similar to VAT for businesses. But Now the source credits are applicable to all businesses.

Reason why GST is transformative is because it forces all businesses to come under the tax ambit. Without paying taxes, they CAN'T claim credits, hence can't compete.
Prior to GST, these same businesses gave us fake receipts and never paid taxes to govt. Now, there is absolutely no escape.
 
Do you actually know anybody who pays this tax or is this just the result of your morning's trawling (look it up)?
Oh Buddhe Ji

I dont know whether @pothead knows someone who pays GST or not. But I work day in day out in a financial consultancy company. I work with businesses to help them implement GST and file GST returns

Koi question hai mujse poocho

I have had too much of your scantimonial BS. You want to debate on GST lets have a one WITH FACTS, NOT RHETORIC. Are you up for it or are you going to have the usual "liberal" response to debate - Either spew useless Rheetoric or say you are too much beneath me to debate.

I am waiting
 
Oh Buddhe Ji

I dont know whether @pothead knows someone who pays GST or not. But I work day in day out in a financial consultancy company. I work with businesses to help them implement GST and file GST returns

Koi question hai mujse poocho

I have had too much of your scantimonial BS. You want to debate on GST lets have a one WITH FACTS, NOT RHETORIC. Are you up for it or are you going to have the usual "liberal" response to debate - Either spew useless Rheetoric or say you are too much beneath me to debate.

I am waiting

Man your education ...

Its sanctimonious.

Not scantimonial, wtf that means ...

Cheers, Doc
 
Man your education ...

Its sanctimonious.

Not scantimonial, wtf that means ...

Cheers, Doc

Aa gaya liberal bhagoda no 1. Karega debate or am I too much beneath you to debate?

Are you ready to debate with facts not rhetoric and not get side tracked with irrelevant typos?
 
Aa gaya liberal bhagoda no 1. Karega debate or am I too much beneath you to debate?

Are you ready to debate with facts not rhetoric and not get side tracked with irrelevant typos?

Please buddy.

I wouldn't give you the time of the day in the real world.

Cheers, Doc
 
Sir, I sure do not know as much about a lot of things than you but this is one area where I am fairly competent.

The question of whether some business pays tax or not, is moot.
If some business does not pay tax, it means they can not get source tax credits, which in turn means to earn profit, they have to sell it at a much higher price.

As am example-

Business man A, pays the taxes. A now can claim source tax credits. What it means is that A can now pass on the tax credits to customer, resulting in A selling the material at lower price.

Business man B, Does not pay taxes. B now can not claim source tax credits. Now, since B can not claim tax credits, B's base price is always higher since he is paying a much higher cost than A for the same material. Now, his sell price must always be higher because he can't make profit otherwise.

Now as customer, you have option of buying the same material from A or B.
A offers you at a much lower price, The law of natural selection means B will be eliminated from business.

People look at GST and often forget the source credits.
Anyone who has worked in previous system will see this being very similar to VAT for businesses. But Now the source credits are applicable to all businesses.

Reason why GST is transformative is because it forces all businesses to come under the tax ambit. Without paying taxes, they CAN'T claim credits, hence can't compete.
Prior to GST, these same businesses gave us fake receipts and never paid taxes to govt. Now, there is absolutely no escape.
so the tax credit is even higher than the tax itself. Why does government collect tax?
 
Please buddy.

I wouldn't give you the time of the day in the real world.

Cheers, Doc

Classical Liberal Bhagoda response number 2 - you are too much beneath me to debate.

You wont give me time of the day but you wanted to correct my typo. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Classical Liberal Bhagoda response number 2 - you are too much beneath me to debate.

You wont give me time of the day but you wanted to correct my typo. :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's because your English is giving me dyspepsia.

Scantimonious would have been a typo.

Scantimonial is a vern from Hindi medium state board trying to talk and type in English.

Desist. Before you are disrobed further.

Cheers, Doc
 
That's because your English is giving me dyspepsia.

Scantimonious would have been a typo.

Scantimonial is a vern from Hindi medium state board trying to talk and type in English.

Desist. Before you are disrobed further.

Cheers, Doc

Again you are going to irrelevant tangents. The fact whether I am from a Hindi Medium background (I am not) is not the question. The topic is on GST. Are you ready to debate it with facts and not rhetoric?

If you will be ready to debate on facts not rhetoric it wont take me much time to disrobe you.

For the likes of @padamchen

 
there is a concern among traders that they dont understand all these new rules(gst was supposed to simplify the process but after multiple round of negotiations with opposition, it has become another complicated piece of legislature) , and the accountants as clueless(or inflated their fees).
hope govt treats the traders with compassion and not with a danda(give more time, dedicated helpline for queries, online self-assessment etc)
 
there is a concern among traders that they dont understand all these new rules(gst was supposed to simplify the process but after multiple round of negotiations with opposition, it has become another complicated piece of legislature) , and the accountants as clueless(or inflated their fees).
hope govt treats the traders with compassion and not with a danda(give more time, dedicated helpline for queries, online self-assessment etc)

GST is very very simple.

If traders are feeling the current GST is complicated, it means only one thing. That they never paid taxes in their lives, ever.
Do you even know how horrible filing taxes were before GST?
Current GST is not even 1% complicated when compared to the previous tax regime.

All the looters who never paid taxes are feeling the burnt. Screw them. Why should you and me support these corrupt people when we pay taxes regularly?

Again you are going to irrelevant tangents

What's new buddy?
And they call themselves liberals.:rofl:
 
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