Govt to set up Sanskrit cells in IITs to research ancient science

[paritosh]

Your original claim:




Now, suddenly, everyone was doing it Anyway Good you've changed your mind and agree.

My original claim was very specific. It was about plastic surgery. My current statement has the word "dabbling".
as Hippocrates said "war is the only proper school for a surgeon", most advanced cultures had some primitive form of surgical knowledge.

I think that much like all other tall claims of Hinsuism, the invention of plastic surgery seems bloated as well.
Force fit karna chaho toh kuch bhi plastic surgery dikh sakta hai...you have seen that wikipedia page that was quoted...what is the point of studying that retarded form of whatever surgery it was in this day and age in an IIT?

you can speak or think with limitations and your ideas are full of ignorance . assumptions are personal opition which are limitations for the human mind to explore the future and research about the past .

Research about the past is good as long is it is tagged as history. Pray tell, why in an IIT?
We are ignorant if we think we had a far more scientifically advanced culture in the iron ages than we have today.
I hope you don't believe that.

 

[Brahmaputra Mail]

The Govt should spend more time in deciphering the IVC script which can unravel many facts about IVC (Indus Valley Civilisation).

 

[paritosh]

There may be some benefit in the medicines, but I can't think much of use can be found in the surgical techniques since most of the instruments that we have now are far superior.

Interestingly rhinoplasty was developed in the subcontinent because having your nose cut off was quite a common punishment.

My point is why study in the most prestigious technology institute of the country? it should be celebrated as steps that led to a greater understanding of medicine and human physiology but should not be explored to rediscover "lost tech of the magical times".

 

[TejasMk3]

My original claim was very specific. It was about plastic surgery.

The current methodology of plastic surgery is derived from Sushruta's text, even down to the tools used, this is quite a well documented thing, being ignorant about is not going to change that fact, simple google helps. Western doctor article on surgery : The Impact of Indian Methods for Total Nasal Reconstruction · Larry S. Nichter, MD

Research about the past is good as long is it is tagged as history. Pray tell, why in an IIT?

Refer to my link in my previous post on Chinese traditional medicine, red it fully, esp the last 3 paras, on how research there is helping discover new drugs. If what is mentioned are tall claims, then debunking them would be easy, alternatively proving it would be useful.

WRT mathematics and sanskrit here is Manjul bhargava's take on it: ‘Mathematics, Sanskrit should go hand-in-hand’ | jaipur | Hindustan Times

Bhargava claims that a large number of computer scientists and mathematicians in the world study Sanskrit for better understanding of subjects but the language is ignored in its native country.

Would not be surprised if this decision was inspired by him, he did a few talks about sanskrit sutras and mathematics etc.

 

[paritosh]

The current methodology of plastic surgery is derived from Sushruta's text, even down to the tools used, this is quite a well documented thing, being ignorant about is not going to change that fact, simple google helps. Western doctor article on surgery : The Impact of Indian Methods for Total Nasal Reconstruction · Larry S. Nichter, MD

Good article. I am not sure about the part where you say that modern plastic surgery is derived from Sushruta's texts though.

Separating fact from ancient Indian science fiction

Refer to my link in my previous post on Chinese traditional medicine, red it fully, esp the last 3 paras, on how research there is helping discover new drugs. If what is mentioned are tall claims, then debunking them would be easy, alternatively proving it would be useful.

WRT mathematics and sanskrit here is Manjul bhargava's take on it: ‘Mathematics, Sanskrit should go hand-in-hand’ | jaipur | Hindustan Times


Would not be surprised if this decision was inspired by him, he did a few talks about sanskrit sutras and mathematics etc.

 

[TejasMk3]

I am not sure about the part where you say that modern plastic surgery is derived from Sushruta's texts though.

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Atleast read the article perhaps?
the entire article traces the spread of the technique.
Last paragraph:
Summary

The Indian methods of total nasal reconstruction are integral parts of the origins of plastic surgery. Both found their births in the teachings of Sushruta six centuries before Christ. And now, even in the present state of the art, we still rely heavily on the same techniques of total nasal reconstruction as handed down for thousands of years by Sushruta and the legendary clay potters of India.

 

[mirage]

Research about the past is good as long is it is tagged as history. Pray tell, why in an IIT?
We are ignorant if we think we had a far more scientifically advanced culture in the iron ages than we have today.
I hope you don't believe that.[/QUOTE] so assume if there is WW III ( some day it will happen for sure ) and everything is finished . then where is this scientifically advanced culture found ? may be in books only or some other left over signs of this present civilization . and i dont need to believe things , i try to know rather

My original claim was very specific. It was about plastic surgery. My current statement has the word "dabbling".
as Hippocrates said "war is the only proper school for a surgeon", most advanced cultures had some primitive form of surgical knowledge.

I think that much like all other tall claims of Hinsuism, the invention of plastic surgery seems bloated as well.
Force fit karna chaho toh kuch bhi plastic surgery dikh sakta hai...you have seen that wikipedia page that was quoted...what is the point of studying that retarded form of whatever surgery it was in this day and age in an IIT?


Research about the past is good as long is it is tagged as history. Pray tell, why in an IIT?
We are ignorant if we think we had a far more scientifically advanced culture in the iron ages than we have today.
I hope you don't believe that.

so assume if there is WW III ( some day it will happen for sure ) and everything is finished . then where is this scientifically advanced culture found ? may be in books only or some other left over signs of this present civilization . and i dont need to believe things , i try to know rather

 

[paritosh]

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Atleast read the article perhaps?
the entire article traces the spread of the technique.
Last paragraph:
Summary

The Indian methods of total nasal reconstruction are integral parts of the origins of plastic surgery. Both found their births in the teachings of Sushruta six centuries before Christ. And now, even in the present state of the art, we still rely heavily on the same techniques of total nasal reconstruction as handed down for thousands of years by Sushruta and the legendary clay potters of India.

Yeah saw that my bad

so assume if there is WW III ( some day it will happen for sure ) and everything is finished . then where is this scientifically advanced culture found ? may be in books only or some other left over signs of this present civilization . and i dont need to believe things , i try to know rather

That's a poor analogy. There hasn't been a doomsday event till now.
If we consider the IVC discovery, all the information has been gathered from archaeological finds. A similar approach will yield an insight into a post-doomsday scenario research.
As far as our culture is concerned, a lot of has already been researched to brasstacks by indophiles all over the world.
Do you believe that we had a much more scientifically advanced culture in the iron ages or not?

 

[mirage]

Yeah saw that my bad



That's a poor analogy. There hasn't been a doomsday event till now.
Do you believe that we had a much more scientifically advanced culture in the iron ages or not?

to understand that you have to be the student of metaphysics . sir , i said i dont believe in believing things or theories , as far as dooms day or other such western analogies , i consider them futile and hollow .Pythagoras said about the spherical earth in 6th century first according to the so called analogies of the modern world but you know the meaning of bhugol ???? when and where is was referred first and how many centuries ago that word was used , before that so called 6th century guy pythagorous ( as per my assumptions he read the Vedas Shastas and then came to know all the so called secrets and discoveries ) / !

 

[paritosh]

to understand that you have to be the student of metaphysics . sir , i said i dont believe in believing things or theories , as far as dooms day or other such western analogies , i consider them futile and hollow .Pythagoras said about the spherical earth in 6th century first according to the so called analogies of the modern world but you know the meaning of bhugol ???? when and where is was referred first and how many centuries ago that word was used , before that so called 6th century guy pythagorous ( as per my assumptions he read the Vedas Shastas and then came to know all the so called secrets and discoveries ) / !

Arrey a lot of these discoveries happened in parallel or at least in an independent fashion as well. It's true a lot of concepts spread through Arabs and general trade...but I wouldn't want to take credit away from Pythagoras as well.
As for metaphysics, it seems to be based a lot of imagination and make belief. I am not a fan.
A lot of people claim that Mahabharata had nuclear weapons, the brahmastra was an atomic weapon and there were fyling crafts, etc. I find it ridiculous to believe that in the same war where such high-tech weaponry and technology existed, most killing happened by soldiers hacking each other with swords and clubs. On one side there were nuclear weapons and on the other side you had horse carts and chariots and arrows being fired. Hogwash.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Why are there no more plastic surgeries being performed using techniques by Sushrut? Modern western techniques are far more advanced.


Surgerytimes History

All the cultures were dabbling in surgery and medicine using methods that have no merit in being studied today.
Why do you want to regress to a time when people would experiment on watermelons before making incisions using rusted tools causing diseases which were attributed to the wrath of god?
Idiotic.

Did u know one of the greatest mystery of Siddha medicine and investigators from all over the world are still searching for cure for AIDS/HIV in ancient Siddha texts. Medicine for AIDS or "Megha noi" has been described in various texts, but that formulation is missing leading to the hunting teams on it.
It is said that formulation will have both positive and negative effects and that's why its was hidden. Some tell its hidden in plain sight.
Time will only tell.

 

[paritosh]

Did u know one of the greatest mystery of Siddha medicine and investigators from all over the world are still searching for cure for AIDS/HIV in ancient Siddha texts. Medicine for AIDS or "Megha noi" has been described in various texts, but that formulation is missing leading to the hunting teams on it.
It is said that formulation will have both positive and negative effects and that's why its was hidden. Some tell its hidden in plain sight.
Time will only tell.

AIDS is a disease of the 21st century how can it be mentioned in ancient texts?

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

AIDS is a disease of the 21st century how can it be mentioned in ancient texts?

Its not. AIDS was a disease "found" in 21 century, doesnt mean it was created now. Did u think that no man in the past would have had sex with an chimpanzee and have spread that virus? Or laying down with various womens?

One popular channel even had a famous Tamil serial on this topic.

 

[paritosh]

Its not. AIDS was a disease "found" in 21 century, doesnt mean it was created now. Did u think that no man in the past would have had sex with an chimpanzee and have spread that virus? Or laying down with various womens?

One popular channel even had a famous Tamil serial on this topic.

With the lack of popular information on AIDS and no condoms in the past and without popular media and rampant sexual practices of the days of yore, AIDS would have wiped off most of our population and would have resulted in a smaller population in the world immune to AIDS just like many simians today are immune to SIV.

It doesn't add up.

 

[Sam.]

Good step and much appreciated.