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Good News for Pakistan? Turkey’s New Tank Is Ready for Mass Production
Islamabad has been eying the new main battle tank as a replacement for the Pakistan Army’s legacy armor.

Turkey’s first indigenously-designed, third generation+ main battle tank (MBT), designated Altay, is ready for serial production, the Hurriyet Daily reports. Hurriyet citesTurkish military vehicles manufacturer Otokar, a branch of the Koç Group, the country’s top industrial conglomerate.

The chairman of the board at Otokar, Ali Koç, told reporters in April that his company is “ready to fulfill all the obligations with the highest sensitivity and ambition in the Altay tank project, which is Turkey’s biggest land systems project.”

“We are ready for the job, with our human resource, from the subcontractor to our workers, experience, abilities and our passion to serve the best for our country,” added Koç.

As of now, no date has been officially set for the serial production of the tank to begin. There are still two other defense contractors competing for the contract to produce up to 1,000 tanks for the Turkish Army.

“We believe that the interest that the countries who are friends and allies have taken in the Altay tank will present a positive effect on defense industry exports in the long term,” Koç also said.

The head of Turkey’s defense procurement agency, the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries, Ismail Demir announced in January that Pakistan’s military is interested in procuring the Altay MBT, although there is no official confirmation from the Pakistani side that this is the case.

Reports that Pakistan is interested in the Altay have to take into account that Turkey’s new MBT will be an expensive acquisition for the Pakistan Army since the Altay is based on Western tank designs and will be a NATO-standard MBT.

Pakistan has traditionally relied on cheaper models such as the al-Khalid and al-Zarrar MBTs (both derivatives of Chinese-made MBTs) given that the Pakistan Army’s armor doctrine favors mass over class in order to partially offset the Indian Army’s numerical superiority.

It is thus unlikely that the Altay will become the new mainstay of Pakistan’s armor force. If acquired, it will likely be only to supplement a cheaper armored vehicle procured under the so-called “Haider” program.

The Altay is a formidable weapons platform as I explained in January (See: “Will Pakistan Buy Turkey’s New Advanced Main Battle Tank?”):

Otokar entered into a system development deal with South Korean tank maker, Hyundai Rotem, whose K2 Black Panther tank project serves as the basis for the development of the Altay. Both tanks share the same base design including the chassis, although the Altay is purportedly slightly longer, equipped with heavier armor, and, in comparison to the K2 MBT also sports a modified turret with composite armor.

Both tanks are also armed with a 120-millimeter smoothbore gun, although the K2 Black Panther MBT is equipped with an automatic loader, whereas the gun on the Altay has to be loaded manually. Furthermore, theAltay MBT has a laser guided missile firing capability and is additionally armed with 7.62 millimeter coaxial machine gun and a pintle-mounted 12.7 millimeter machine gun up top.

The Altay can accommodate a crew of four and with its German-made 1,500 horsepower engine can reach a maximum speed of up to 70 kilometers per hour (43 mph). In October 2015, Turkish engine maker TUMOSAN signed an agreement with the Austrian firm, AVL List, for technical support in designing an indigenous engine for for future batches of the Altay MBT.

Interestingly, Pakistan’s defense industry is also considering procuring theAltay’s third generation thermal imagining sight for the al-Khalid tank.
 
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Sir Pics of the Tank plzzzzz

@Sulman Badshah Picsss

altay-04.jpg


Looks bad@ss man. State of the bad@ss art.
 
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The Tank Sure is Bad a** :D

Interested in Russian Tanks to....

We are in touch with Russia on different types of weapons such as helicopters, we are even considering the Russian air defense system and advanced tanks. We are also exploring possibility to update and modernize our Air Force," Asif said on the sidelines of the fifth Moscow Conference on International Security.
 
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otokar light ifantry
The Tank Sure is Bad a** :D

Interested in Russian Tanks to....

We are in touch with Russia on different types of weapons such as helicopters, we are even considering the Russian air defense system and advanced tanks. We are also exploring possibility to update and modernize our Air Force," Asif said on the sidelines of the fifth Moscow Conference on International Security.
bhai sb poooori dunia se tank khareeed rhe hu pse kon de ga...
Pakistan ka budget deficit phle he bht increased
 
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haaan rishtay sara shehr dekhta...........shadi koi koi krta..........lol
 
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Good News for Pakistan? Turkey’s New Tank Is Ready for Mass Production
Islamabad has been eying the new main battle tank as a replacement for the Pakistan Army’s legacy armor.

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Turkey’s first indigenously-designed, third generation+ main battle tank (MBT), designated Altay, is ready for serial production, the Hurriyet Daily reports. Hurriyet citesTurkish military vehicles manufacturer Otokar, a branch of the Koç Group, the country’s top industrial conglomerate.

The chairman of the board at Otokar, Ali Koç, told reporters in April that his company is “ready to fulfill all the obligations with the highest sensitivity and ambition in the Altay tank project, which is Turkey’s biggest land systems project.”

“We are ready for the job, with our human resource, from the subcontractor to our workers, experience, abilities and our passion to serve the best for our country,” added Koç.

As of now, no date has been officially set for the serial production of the tank to begin. There are still two other defense contractors competing for the contract to produce up to 1,000 tanks for the Turkish Army.

“We believe that the interest that the countries who are friends and allies have taken in the Altay tank will present a positive effect on defense industry exports in the long term,” Koç also said.

The head of Turkey’s defense procurement agency, the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries, Ismail Demir announced in January that Pakistan’s military is interested in procuring the Altay MBT, although there is no official confirmation from the Pakistani side that this is the case.

Reports that Pakistan is interested in the Altay have to take into account that Turkey’s new MBT will be an expensive acquisition for the Pakistan Army since the Altay is based on Western tank designs and will be a NATO-standard MBT.

Pakistan has traditionally relied on cheaper models such as the al-Khalid and al-Zarrar MBTs (both derivatives of Chinese-made MBTs) given that the Pakistan Army’s armor doctrine favors mass over class in order to partially offset the Indian Army’s numerical superiority.

It is thus unlikely that the Altay will become the new mainstay of Pakistan’s armor force. If acquired, it will likely be only to supplement a cheaper armored vehicle procured under the so-called “Haider” program.

The Altay is a formidable weapons platform as I explained in January (See: “Will Pakistan Buy Turkey’s New Advanced Main Battle Tank?”):

Otokar entered into a system development deal with South Korean tank maker, Hyundai Rotem, whose K2 Black Panther tank project serves as the basis for the development of the Altay. Both tanks share the same base design including the chassis, although the Altay is purportedly slightly longer, equipped with heavier armor, and, in comparison to the K2 MBT also sports a modified turret with composite armor.

Both tanks are also armed with a 120-millimeter smoothbore gun, although the K2 Black Panther MBT is equipped with an automatic loader, whereas the gun on the Altay has to be loaded manually. Furthermore, theAltay MBT has a laser guided missile firing capability and is additionally armed with 7.62 millimeter coaxial machine gun and a pintle-mounted 12.7 millimeter machine gun up top.

The Altay can accommodate a crew of four and with its German-made 1,500 horsepower engine can reach a maximum speed of up to 70 kilometers per hour (43 mph). In October 2015, Turkish engine maker TUMOSAN signed an agreement with the Austrian firm, AVL List, for technical support in designing an indigenous engine for for future batches of the Altay MBT.

Interestingly, Pakistan’s defense industry is also considering procuring theAltay’s third generation thermal imagining sight for the al-Khalid tank.


The Turks are the brothers and sisters of Pakistanis. Both sets of people love eachother and are spiritually connected to one another. The success of Turkey is the success of Pakistan and vice-versa. This is a very welcome development and I sincerely hope that it paves the way for Pakistan to do collaborative work and make large scale military purchases from Turkey Inshallah.
 
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I would love to see several armoured regiments using the Altay one day. We wouldn't be able to buy many, but given that it is a brand new tank design and will be in production for some time, Pakistan could buy them on an incremental basis.

That said, some of the technology, such as Akkor APS, would help a lot on the Khalid and forthcoming Haider.
 
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Pakistan Army’s armor doctrine favors mass over class in order to partially offset the Indian Army’s numerical superiority
This does not make sense. If the enemy has numerical superiority how can you offset it with mass numbers? If they have numbers the only way you can hope to balance that is with quality.

Altay looks like hell of a tank. It sort of resembles the M1-Abrams. Pakistan should have entered in join production instead of pissing around with Khalids, Zararas, Haiders and in between collecting junk from Ukraine. The Pak armour forces must look like hotch potch collection.

Pak will never have long protracted war with India. Any such war will be sharp and short before it either ceasfire is agreed or worse nuclear weapons are used. Therefore there is no need in having huge armoured formations. What Pak needs is small but potent armoured force to handle short wars lasting few days to weeks. Altay is perfect.

But does Pak have the money?
 
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This does not make sense. If the enemy has numerical superiority how can you offset it with mass numbers? If they have numbers the only way you can hope to balance that is with quality.

Altay looks like hell of a tank. It sort of resembles the M1-Abrams. Pakistan should have entered in join production instead of pissing around with Khalids, Zararas, Haiders and in between collecting junk from Ukraine. The Pak armour forces must look like hotch potch collection.

Pak will never have long protracted war with India. Any such war will be sharp and short before it either ceasfire is agreed or worse nuclear weapons are used. Therefore there is no need in having huge armoured formations. What Pak needs is small but potent armoured force to handle short wars lasting few days to weeks. Altay is perfect.

But does Pak have the money?


Bro, out of ALL the posters on PDF you are the one that speaks the most sense and has the most intelligence. You need to post more as I like what you say and you are always ultimately right. Pakistan has survived this long against near impossible odds because of Pakistanis like you. Keep up the good work.
 
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This does not make sense. If the enemy has numerical superiority how can you offset it with mass numbers? If they have numbers the only way you can hope to balance that is with quality.

Altay looks like hell of a tank. It sort of resembles the M1-Abrams. Pakistan should have entered in join production instead of pissing around with Khalids, Zararas, Haiders and in between collecting junk from Ukraine. The Pak armour forces must look like hotch potch collection.

Pak will never have long protracted war with India. Any such war will be sharp and short before it either ceasfire is agreed or worse nuclear weapons are used. Therefore there is no need in having huge armoured formations. What Pak needs is small but potent armoured force to handle short wars lasting few days to weeks. Altay is perfect.

But does Pak have the money?
Pakistan likely believes in numbers as a means to prevent India from capturing too much territory in Pakistan. Remember, the Indo-Pak border is pretty long, and India can use its numerical advantage (and potential qualitative edge in some respects) to induce a lot of stress on Pakistan. To cover the distance and resist the dense Indian advance (or over come Indian defenses to capture territory), Pakistan would need a lot of good tanks, but it can't afford heavyweight designs such as the Altay, at least in sizable numbers.

Cue the Khalid and Haider. While lighter, I think the aim was to have them equipped with the same kinds of subsystems and offensive power as a heavier design. Lighter and cheaper, but still good enough to deploy across the long eastern front.
 
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600 Al Khalid
320 T80UD
900 Al Zarrar
300 T85 III
300 Altay

Total : 2400+ Tanks

By 2020 .......... my deep wish and it is very much achievable...... we might sacrifice Al Haider project for sake of Atlay.....

More Than enough to defeat enemy armor in any war in plains or deserts.

Get rid of old T59-69 junk As soon As possible.
 
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