Germany as a super power

[manofwar]

Difficult to tell.

Just like after WW2, there was fight among the allies. USA, GB vs Soviet Union and China

Same way had the Axis won, there would have been a fight among the Axis powers , Nazi Germany vs Imperial Japan . The defeated allies and neutral states too might be dragged into this new war.



In the context of India, Pakistan and China


The Chinese would be in a world of pain, as it would mean Japanese rule of East Asia.

The Indian and Pakistanis , wonder if they would considered us worthy to live, judging what he did to gypsies in Europe. Maybe allowed to remain colony of GB

Of course not, since Most of Indians are Aryans , Hitler would have probably left us alone..................

 

[Surenas]

Editored by Major von Viban of the Political Department of the NADPA in Berlin, the very year (1933) Hitler took power the Third Reich began to publish a racist magazine titled lran-e Bastan (The Ancient Iran). The journal was financed by Siemens-Schukken and a pro-Nazi Iranian intellectuals.

Advocating the common Aryan ancestry of 'the two Nations.' In 1936 then, the Reich Cabinet issued a special decree exempting Iranians from the restrictions of the Nuremberg Racial Laws on the grounds that they were 'pure blooded Aryans' (Lenczowski. 1944, p. 160). And in 1939, the Nazis provided Persians with what they called a German Scientific Library. The library contained over 7.500 books carefully selected "to convince lranian readers...of the kinship between the National Socialist Reich and the "Aryan culture" of Iran" (Lenczowski. 1944, p. 161). In various pro-Nazi publications, lectures, speeches, and ceremonies, parallels were drawn between the Shah of Iran and Hitler, and praise the charisma and virtue of the Fuhrerprinzip (Rezun. 1982, p. 29).

Hitler became a national hero of Iranians and all so-called 'oppressed Aryan peoples. For instance, a journal titled "Nameh-ye Iran-e Bastan" (the Journal of Ancient Iran) identified Hitler as "one of the greatest men in the world": Adolph Hitler, this great scholarly man of the Aryan race, has destroyed a 200-years old plan of the Jews against nationality in the world, against nationalism, and particularly the Aryan races on earth...and has created a new day for the new world.

Regarding the Nazi symbol of the swastika, the journal wrote in issue 28, Mordad,1933: It is truly rejoicing to see that the symbol of Iran from 2000 years before Christ has today become a symbol of pride for the Germans, who are of one race and ethnicity with us (cited in JAMI, 1983, pp. 74-5)

Again, in issue 35, Mehr 1333, in an article titled "Why We Are Superior?" the journal wrote: the sign of Aryan triumph (swastika) is everywhere Aryan and respectable, be it on ceramics of Isfahan's Masjid-e Shah or on the columnn of Darvazeh Dovlat in Tehran; or be it placed on the flag of Germany or embellish the arm of Hitler:' From ancient times the Black dress has been an exclusive property of the Iranic race.

In fact the ideology of Aryan racial superiority was nurtured and advocated by a vast majority of Persian elites and intellectuals.

1939, Berlin, Germany: From left, Iranian Ambassador to Germany and Speaker of Iranian Parliament visiting Hitler, the German Chancellor. During this time the Allies grew suspicious of Iran's and Germany's loyalty to each other.

“Germany was our age-old and natural ally, Love of Germany was synonymous with love for Iran. The sound of German officers' footsteps was heard on the shores of the Nile. Swastika flags were flying from the outskirts of Moscow to the peaks of the Caucasus Mts. Iranian patriots eagerly awaited the arrival of their old allies. My friend and I would spin tales about the grandeur of the superior race. We considered Germany the chosen representative of this race in Europe and Iran its representative in Asia. The right to life and role was ours. Others had no choice but submission and slavery. We discarded the old maps and remade Iran into a country larger than what it was in Achaemenian times.”

-Reza Shah

The Third Reich and the King of Persia rename Persia to Iran.

During the 1930's members of the Iranian Nazi Party.Hitler's interest in the Aryan homeland would have him and the Shah of Iran change the name to Persia at this time to Iran which in Persian translates to Land of the Aryans.The following image is of the Iranian National Socialist Party.

The Allies who feared the Germans and the Iranians would mount a offensive deep into Soviet territory to free the beligered Wehrmacht units and push ever deeper into British controlled India and capture the Suez canal and Arab oil fields.This would of undoubtedly turned the war to the Axis side.

Attacked without provocation, neutral Iran suffered her own "Pearl Harbor" three months prior to the United States' more famous Day of Infamy. Iran's army was crushed, her monarch was overthrown, the beleaguered Red Army was saved from defeat, a German conquest of the Soviet Russia was thwarted.

Churchill viewed the issue as a simple choice: thwarting Nazi world conquest versus scrupulously observing international convention... The Prime Minister knew that he would require at least the tacit approval of President Franklin D. Roosevelt before attacking Iran. Roosevelt could have invoked U.S. moral authority and economic power to avert the Allied invasion. But instead, his administration stood by passively, brushing aside desperate Iranian pleas until it was too late. Moreover, Roosevelt even secretly approved the plans against Iran, only to later publicly deny any knowledge of British intentions.

Hitler Norooz letter to Reza Shah and the nation of Iran.Adolf Hitler's Norooz greetings to Reza Shah Pahlavi, March 20, 1939 during the Persian New Year.

To the King of Kings of iran:

I would like to extend my cordial congratulations for the festival of Nowruz(Persian new year). I hereby send my best wishes for the further blooming of Iran.

Adolf Hitler
Chancellor of the German Reich

After the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran.Fuelled by British fears of an Alliance with Germany, Zahedi was arrested by British forces in 1942 for his ties to Germany,He was flown out of Iran by British forces and interned in Palestine until the end of the war. A fierce nationalist, Zahedi fostered deep reservations and suspicions towards the Allied Forces.Several German miltiary personel also imprisoned by the Allies.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

The Germans needed to capture the Suez Canal drive out the british out of North Africa
next the germans should have invaded turkey then the USSR also supported the Arabs uprising against the british they would have been seen as liberators, Iran had a pro nazi government at the time and when they reached india they would have been seen as liberators against the british.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

The Germans and the Japanese wanted to link up in India divide it in two.

hmmmmm..........fall of India to the Axis, would have certainly complicated the Allies war effort.

India under the Axis would have allowed, to coordinate operations in Africa better, block China even more, keep an eye on East Asia and attack USSR from Central Asia.

 

[PteX]

Although admitting that those of the Eastern or Indo-Iranian branch of the Indo-European peoples are "Aryans" in name, it is felt that they are not really true Aryans because it is believed that the Iranian peoples are mostly too intermixed with the Arabs and Mongols, and the Indo-Aryans are mostly too intermixed with the Dravidians, to still be pure Aryans.

You wouldn't be alive today, OP.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

hmmmmm..........fall of India to the Axis, would have certainly complicated the Allies war effort.

India under the Axis would have allowed, to coordinate operations in Africa better, block China even more, keep an eye on East Asia and attack USSR from Central Asia.

The Japanese were heading for the burma road and japan invasion of china was ill fated they wasted resourses and manpower just as germany did in the ussr they should have never attacked pearl harbor.

hmmmmm..........fall of India to the Axis, would have certainly complicated the Allies war effort.

India under the Axis would have allowed, to coordinate operations in Africa better, block China even more, keep an eye on East Asia and attack USSR from Central Asia.

would indians welcome the germans and japanese as liberators ?

 

[RuheTag]

If they would have came into India, I think they would not have last long there. Because the amount of Chilli and the currys people eat there would have made them stink like a packed public transport Bus in Lahore in month of June so they would have ran away.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Of course not, since Most of Indians are Aryans , Hitler would have probably left us alone..................

Thats a grand misunderstanding many Indians have.

Only people he considered Aryans were Germans, Anglo-Saxons and Scandinavians.

He considered the Slavic people to be inferior, you really think he held Indians that high.


As matter of fact he wanted to replicate the colonization of India by UK on Soviet Union.

 

[Neuro]

Well, this question absolutely makes sense from somebody from a country like Pakistan where the perception of US is so negative that people will rather through stones at US rather than that conrete piller they have erected during Mecca pilgramage.

Coming to towards the answer, first I would not agree with your perception of the US. I would not say its wrong but it rather quite inaccurate. i.e. they are not at all evil nor they are angels.

So If you think Germany would have been superpower and if you are refering to the Germany under Hitler, i.e. Nazi Germany, the world would have been definately a worse place than it is now. You will agree with this if you read a bit more about Nazi Germany and What Nazis did inside and outside Germany and what their idealogy was.

Roughly they would have been somewhat like Soviat Union.

Nothing like that those are false propaganda by allied nations. Every country having aspiration to extend their border/influence in this aspect wat Hitler did is ryt . British , Russians , Americans , Chinese killed many people than Hitler but still earth is not worsen place to live.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

The question is would indians welcome the japanese and germans as liberators if they defeated the british ?

 

[RuheTag]

Nothing like that those are false propaganda by allied nations. Every country having aspiration to extend their border/influence in this aspect wat Hitler did is ryt . British , Russians , Americans , Chinese killed many people than Hitler but still earth is not worsen place to live.

Have you met any Nazi in your life or seen them in action?

 

[manofwar]

The Japanese were heading for the burma road and japan invasion of china was ill fated they wasted resourses and manpower just as germany did in the ussr they should have never attacked pearl harbor.



would indians welcome the germans and japanese as liberators ?

India under Mahatma supported the British in the war, especially after the news of mass jewish persecution and the Warsaw massacare came.........
If it was Japan who conquered India , I don't know.............

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

would indians welcome the germans and japanese as liberators ?

Some section of Indians would have.

Here are some WW2 propaganda leaflets explaining the situation:

Translation:

Subash babu K khayalat! or thoughts of Subhast babu !

Without help frm foriegners hindustans revolution cant succeed!
For a occupied country recieving help from other nations is not a new thing!
date...
I dont suspect japanese !

Mahatm gandhi jis khayalat! or thoughts of Gandhi !

I dont want Hindustan to beg other nations for her independence!
So it is unacceptable tht i support subhash babus policy! THIS CANT BE!
It is said tht i encouraged japan to attack india this is just false!I forcefully deny it!

I want every indian to fight japanese till death!


More leaflets in this thread:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-history-strategy/72020-axis-propaganda-against-iindian-troops.html

 

[NeutralCitizen]

Thanks
Germany should have put all the resources on finishing the fight in north africa and capturing the suez canal
next it should have invaded turkey rather then the USSR and capture the middle east with the aid of the arab nationalists who were against the british, Iran had a pro nazi government in power and would have sided with germany, the japanese should have never invaded china but conquer smaller nations expect the Philippines all the way to burma. link up with the germans in india.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

The Japanese were heading for the burma road and japan invasion of china was ill fated they wasted resourses and manpower just as germany did in the ussr they should have never attacked pearl harbor.

Japanese invasion of China was logical as Japan had lacked natural resources to support her war industries.

They should have taken Australia before attacking India.

The choice invading India from the North-east was a bad one. which is a hilly terrain and frequent rainfall, also they ignored air cover. All of this the British exploited.