General Raheel Sharif Likely To Command 34-Nation Saudi Alliance "conditionally"

[araz]

not a single saudi soldier sent or a single refugee taken in yet you hold these royals and their clergy in high regard, oh the irony. I've seen you call the saudi user al-hasani brother who racially abuses pakistanis on here...talk about inferiority your complex. Let the incompetent Gulf who sold there dignity to USA sort their own troubles. Not a single Pakistani soldier should fight for a prince who buys half a billion dollar boat or can't even offer his mercenaries a decent burial in Syria. This has nothing to do with Pakistan who should always focus on India considering man shortage.

I dont think we need to be so myopic in our vision. The GCC and the house of Saud look to the preservation of their own countries just like everyone else. They deal with the US knowing fully well how unreliable it is as it provides them with armaments. However they remain vary of US support for Israel and its consequent double standards. Their dealings retain the flavour of dealings of the arabs from the old, utilizing what they have to attain a certain influence. They never had and will never have the strength to deal with the west and US on equal terms due to their governance issues and the disfavour it incites in the developed world and their relative size and population. So their proboems are very specific and their forays into Pakistan previouslyhave not resulted in a favourable response as we had nothing to offer. Now we are progressing they will be looking towards us as well. How they respond depends on how honsstly we can deal with them and how profitable the venture is.
Their dealings with India have the samefootprint except that Indians and Bangladesh provide them cheaper and more docile population unlike the Pakistnis who demand a fair price but also work harder.So the love affair with India is business as usual and to be fair India offers them a lot more than what todays Pakistan could.
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[chauvunist]

not a single saudi soldier sent or a single refugee taken in yet you hold these royals and their clergy in high regard, oh the irony. I've seen you call the saudi user al-hasani "brother" who racially abuses pakistanis on here...talk about inferiority your complex. You support giving these royal pakistani nukes too. Let the incompetent Gulf who sold there dignity to USA sort their own troubles. Not a single Pakistani soldier should fight for a prince who buys half a billion dollar boat or can't even offer his mercenaries a decent burial in Syria. This has nothing to do with Pakistan who should always focus on India considering man shortage.

By the way the same govt which you are cheerleading day and night tirelessly is openly supporting India against Pakistan but since you are a mental slave and Khomeini loyalist so are always gonna turn blind eye to these issues

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/Kashmir-is-India’s-internal-issue-Syria/article14583766.ece

 

[RoadRunner401]

The way Iranians are dealing with Arab world, there will come a point when Pakistan and Iran will be at odds with each other...I mean stupid general of Iran, Qasim Slueimani, is now threatening Yemen and Bahrain after Syria...

Many Pakistanis live in Bahrain. So, If Iran will destabilize Bahrain, we will be affected...

So, stable Middle East is in our interest....Thats why it is a good decision by Pakistani general...

I am sorry, it's all the brainwashing done to me by Iranians that I can't see right from wrong, plus I also don't have access to crack @BATMAN is using, so I will ask you geniuses a question.

What about the Pakistanis that were killed by saudi sponsored and financed terrorist within Pakistan or the ones that were living in Syria and Libya when Saudis started pumping terrorist into those nations and destroyed them, oh I get you, only Pakistani affected by Iran are the important once, but the once killed by saudi sponsored Terrorist deserved to die

 

[beast89]

So a Khomeini slave and Iranian loyalist with same Parrotted words is giving lectures on morality and complexes...You celebrate Pakistani shias fighting for Khomeini and Assad and syria but a highly reputable and a loved general when helping Muslim nations fighting terrorists is giving you butt cramps...but you don't like Iran's strategic asset IS to be fought and defeated,don't you?

name calling and youre avoiding the topic...proves your one-sided love for arabs and the your urge of Pakistan to prove itself to these royals. Answer my post if you have a shred of dignity. Considering Algeria and Egypt, the most populous arab country are politically and militarily assisting the killing of saudi mercs indicate your royal are in the wrong. ISIS an iranian asset that's saudi conspiracy theories, just like the saudi 9-11 hijackers have nothing to do with the ksa. Face it ISIS have the same beliefs as saudis only political differences. Why let some dirty royals rule when you have the say. ISIS was only weaken due to Russian intervention which i was cheering on, whilst you were screaming along with the other saudis. Remember the rebels you love were once bed fellows with isis. If you honestly believe that this soley fighting terrorists then you don't understand nuances and subtleties and accept everything as face value. I find it ironic you are mad that pakistani shias for fighting in syria for religious reasons (we all know the nature of these rebels) but you turn a blind eye when saudis tried to reel in Pakistan for the same reason. It must hurt you that Pakistan is silent whilst the syrian rebels are eradicated.

 

[RoadRunner401]

By the way the same govt which you are cheerleading day and night tirelessly is openly supporting India against Pakistan but since you are a mental slave and Khomeini loyalist so are always gonna turn blind eye to these issues

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/Kashmir-is-India’s-internal-issue-Syria/article14583766.ece

Really the link you are using is Indian newspaper therefore not relevant. But, Go "ahead" post one link just one link where GCC says Kashmir is part of Pakistan and they will help send troops to fight for Pakistan

Mr free go ahead show us all the truth

 

[beast89]

By the way the same govt which you are cheerleading day and night tirelessly is openly supporting India against Pakistan but since you are a mental slave and Khomeini loyalist so are always gonna turn blind eye to these issues

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/Kashmir-is-India’s-internal-issue-Syria/article14583766.ece

Scrapping bottom bottom of the barrel. The day Syrian government assist in the killing of a Kashmiri i will denounce them. I can post how muted the saudis have been over this issue or have indians have preferential treatment of Pakistan when it comes to GCC. Then again you said the syrian government was worse than ISIS so you are a truly think like a saudi.

 

[Valar Dohaeris]

Tell the brotherly Arab nations to replace Indian workers with Pakistani workers. As we speak, they are sending $75 billion per year to strengthen Indian economy.

Lolz, so this is how the Positive Ratings awarded on this forum ? for posting self-conceived inaccurate facts and that too having a one sided biased motivation.
Tell me from where did you read it ? Give the reference and that burden lies on @Kaptaan as well as I have read him somewhere stating similar numbers.


India received total 70.4 bn during 2013-2014 and 66.30 bn during 2014-2015 as remittance sent to India from all over the globe.

Out of 70.4 bn the share is following:
UAE- 12.57, KSA-10.51, Pakistan-4.57, Kuwait-4.69, Qatar-3.97,Oman-3.07
the remaining contributors are non-Arab. this makes total 34 bn which is less than 50% of the total. (plus 4.57 bn from Pakistan.)

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-countries-from-which-India-receives-the-highest-remittance-money
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remittances_to_India

While Pakistani workers sent remittances amounting to over $19.9 billion in 2015-16.
out of which 5.9 bn is from KSA, 4.3 bn is from UAE and 2.4 bn is from the rest of GCC members. that makes a total of 12.6 bn which is higher than 60% of the total.


http://tribune.com.pk/story/1142758/saudi-arabia-remains-largest-source-remittances/

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Now tell me, which country establishes foreign relations depending upon foreign relation of other countries. ??
India is receiving larger sum because they have larger population and they are sending larger manpower. While for Pakistan, whose foreign exchange reserve are less than the remittances it receives. (It just recently changed)
KSA also sent about 1.5 bn excursively to help Pakistan and they also helped Pakistan during sanction after nuclear tests. KSA has also given a huge amount of financial assistance for the nuclear program as well.

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And, last time I read it was @Kaptaan who was saying that how our strong reaction against unprovoked instances of killing our civilians and soldiers on the hand of Iran could lead us to the situation where Iran will grow more closer to India (which it already is more than enough). Do you know how much benefits Iran provides to India ? Iran is already a close friend of India to the extant that Iran is India's gateway towards central-Asian states. It was Iran where Indian decided to counter CPEC through Chahbahar. It was Iran from things like Kulbhushan Yadav pop-up.

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I am not against good relation with Iran but why this friendship judgments is only for Arabs ? why @Kaptaan and many other people on the forum advocate goodwill of Iran but promote hatred for Arab ? Is it only the Arabs who will lose if Pakistan and Arab worlds relations get damage or if Arab countries get destabilize on the hand of their beloved Iran's unholy campaigns?

“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.”
― Søren Kierkegaard

O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful. [Quran (49:6)]

 

[Azadkashmir]

if pakistani collectively show thier feelings of anger then saudis will s h it thier pants and change thier mind.
yemen crisis were pakistanis voiced about not sending pak soldiers, some were very angry saudis got a shock.
if saudis prefer india then we must do same look after our interest, and squeeze the saudis whenever possible but watch out for iran.

we must publically announce that it was us that cleared all terriosm sponsored by these so called civilised countries including gulf oil kingdoms. also remind these idiots if pak is destablized then this will end thier fate too as it will spread to other region.
We show a map of our location so they know what it means, also this will remind them the importance of pakistan geography. we must build up gawador quickly and increase trade let gulf countrues die of jelousy.

 

[sady]

All of Pakistan's insecurities stem from poor economy. Saudis or Arabs are crucial because Pakistani Gov thinks they are 'to go friend' when in money crisis or oil reserves are shit low.
The moment we realise our strong venues of progress, diversify exports, use a huge labour force, increase tax base, modernise agriculture, promote tourism, promote SMEs rather than distributing money through effing Benezir income support, build small and large dams. Above all create a robust and smart internal and external defence to guard all the gains, we won't need to run waggling our tails to Russians, or Chinese or Arabs.

Allah has given a chance to grow a spine through CPEC and to live with honor, if we mess it up and learn nothing then frankly is this freedom and a separate country worth it?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Apologies to everybody I got my figures wrong. I try always try to post links to confirm my source but I was in a rush possibly and overlooked this. However whatI said does NOT detract because of the corrected amount. Why is KSA even giving $1 to India? All this ummah bumma nonsense notwithstanding.

Reality check here. KSA is close to Israel. GCC have a soft spot for Israel. We all know what India is doing in Kashmir yet GCC is the largest source of funds for India. Is it only me that that sees contradiction here?

And as regards the puny $1.5 billion KSA gave to Pakistan then America must be best in the world because it has given far more to Pakistan then $1.5.

On te subject of Iran I am not saying go and love it. However big talk and Indian singing and headshaking asides why not compare what GCC offers to India with what Iran offers to India. I suspect Indian's don't even make $1 billion out of Iran but we know what GCC provides to India every year.

I guess it kind of hurts my pride when I see these oily Arabs taking my people for a ride. Really does.

*I think we need to address this issue in another dedicated thread where both sides can marshal the facts.

 

[Valar Dohaeris]

Apologies to everybody I got my figures wrong. I try always try to post links to confirm my source but I was in a rush possibly and overlooked this. However whatI said does NOT detract because of the corrected amount. Why is KSA even giving $1 to India? All this ummah bumma nonsense notwithstanding.

What about a positive rating ?

Reality check here. KSA is close to Israel. GCC have a soft spot for Israel. We all know what India is doing in Kashmir yet GCC is the largest source of funds for India. Is it only me that that sees contradiction here?

KSA is close to Israel ? lets ask Israel about it. Why would they have soft spot for Israel ? Israel is much stronger then all GCC, they dont stand a chance. GCC haven't able to stop Houthis, you expect them to stand before Israel ?
And most importantly, all it has nothing to do with Pakistan relations with the Arab world. Pakistan and Arab relation evaluated only on the basis of how much it benefits Pakistan, rather than emotional rhetoric. Do you know how much strong are the ties between Israel and Turkey, so should we abandon Turkey ?

And as regards the puny $1.5 billion KSA gave to Pakistan then America must be best in the world because it has given far more to Pakistan then $1.5.

There is constant support from Arab through out the history. While American where never helped. Mushi gave an interview on CNN where he said that all that money was payment of our service. Not American help.

On te subject of Iran I am not saying go and love it. However big talk and Indian singing and headshaking asides why not compare what GCC offers to India with what Iran offers to India. I suspect Indian's don't even make $1 billion out of Iran but we know what GCC provides to India every year.

I guess it kind of hurts my pride when I see these oily Arabs taking my people for a ride. Really does.

*I think we need to address this issue in another dedicated thread where both sides can marshal the facts.

It is not logical to ask GCC to block all there relations with India, Arabs are not our colonies. Things dont work like this. While Iran does not have any remittances to be sent to Indian but Iran provides strategic assistance. And another thing is, you account all the GCC while it is composed of diverse members having different interests. There are no relation in the world which comes up with the condition of completely abandoning ties to other states. Foreign relation is not a game of emotions. Things must be calculated according to their benefits.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

@PaklovesTurkiye my young Pak Brother,

Why so distressed? Eye on the ball and emotions under tight control...says I.


I shall, as a guest here at PDF, not indulge in your internal affairs..as I have neither any right nor the privilge.


However, if the Giant of the PA is going to be leading this socalled alliance... I say bravo!


Please, remember it would not be the Great man alone but the entire Pak State behind him and with him. This is a very good thing.

Most important thing, however, is that Pak needs to wake up from its self induced slumber and finally take charge of its destiny...which is a South West Asian, Central Asian and ME regional power of global consequence.

How will Pak achieve this?

By becoming who you always have been and destroy all artificial illusions.

I shall consider it high treason if the Pak State ie. political and professional class does not facilitate the economic growth. Anything less than 3+ Trillion Economy is just unacceptable. Period.

Then you do not have to worry about salaries which your hard working people send back from abroad.

By taking ownership of your own True Destiny...the beggar's bowl shall be smashed forever.

How can you people ever forget that your's was the richest empire not so long ago. How can your forget????

Wake up. Stop this silly word-fights and divisions on PDF and in your personal lives.


Unite your ranks and demand what is your Birth Right i.e 3+ Trillion Economy and Social Justice. Plus, taking back your stolen heritage.

No Saviour is coming to help you. You all are the Saviours!


Now Chin up, back upright and shoulders straight...look up towards the Heavens and Rise!

 

[s.k]

I am sorry, it's all the brainwashing done to me by Iranians that I can't see right from wrong, plus I also don't have access to crack @BATMAN is using, so I will ask you geniuses a question.

What about the Pakistanis that were killed by saudi sponsored and financed terrorist within Pakistan or the ones that were living in Syria and Libya when Saudis started pumping terrorist into those nations and destroyed them, oh I get you, only Pakistani affected by Iran are the important once, but the once killed by saudi sponsored Terrorist deserved to die

Only blaming Saudis will be unfair, who started all this ? Pakistan Started Against Russsia with the help of USA and Saudi.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Well said. The day a Pakistani is placed in command of Arab Army is the day I will do Puja on the Ganga and jump naked like a Hindoo into the Gangoo for a swim to cleanse my soul.

Someone did mention recently over here that three air chiefs of UAE air force were Pakistanis....Talwar e Pakistan said that I think....

The biggest problem with you and most Pakistanis .. you are NOT thinking at all!!

In one of your earlier posts - you mentioned "Yemen" and "Bahrain". Let me ask you: what is more important for us - Yemen and Bahrain OR our backyard Afghanistan and Central Asia?!

Will the Arabs come here and fix our problem for us? India has Kabul in it's pockets!! Will the Arabs pour $$$ to help fix the mess in our backyard?

Where are your priorities as a Pakistani?

In the long term we need to work with Iran to bring peace and stability in Central Asia. If completely different civilizations like China and Russia can come to terms with each other and work together in this region - I don't see why we can't do the same with Iran!

The biggest benefactor of Sunni-Shia conflict in IoK, in Pakistan and between Pak-Iran is India (apart from KSA Royal family)!

Why the **** you bring Shia into everything... ??? Why the hell you are trying to propagate Sunni-Shia conflict here in Pakistan? Why you're so worried? He is joining as adviser in personal capacity, not sending Pakistani troops...

Bahrain is our backyard too...Fire should be stopped before it reaches our home...

When taliban were getting killed in Pakistan, did anyone try to save their skin by calling them deobandis? oh don't kill deobandis??? No one said that....killer belongs to any sect, it won't make a difference to Pak army...We kill without discrimination....If murderers and terrorists at someplace are happens to be Shia then they will also be killed without discrimination...

Don't paint geopolitics with sectarian color for your own hidden objectives...This propaganda won't stop Pakistan in protecting our interests in Middle East...

Reality is that Pakistan and Iran do cooperate with each other in all place except Middle East...Heck Iranians support northern alliance and we supported taliban in Afghanistan....So does this lead to fight between Iran and Pakistan???

This hard needs to swallowed by everyone....Interests of Pakistan and Iran do not converge in Middle East...

Thats it...

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Some interesting observations here

@yavar @haman10 @SOHEIL

@PaklovesTurkiye buddy check this out! I knew Indians have been masturbating to your posts silently, and now they are tagging Iranian members to start a fight!

Read the last line of post #64 to see this behavior^^ in context!

I don't care...I already had lot of fight with one of the iranian members....It was a nice experience overall..

I said what I observed....Anyone can disagree with my opinion, obviously.

I am sorry, it's all the brainwashing done to me by Iranians that I can't see right from wrong, plus I also don't have access to crack @BATMAN is using, so I will ask you geniuses a question.

What about the Pakistanis that were killed by saudi sponsored and financed terrorist within Pakistan or the ones that were living in Syria and Libya when Saudis started pumping terrorist into those nations and destroyed them, oh I get you, only Pakistani affected by Iran are the important once, but the once killed by saudi sponsored Terrorist deserved to die

In short...No need to bring Iran into this...They are irrelevant when it comes to Pakistan's interests in Middle East...Millions of Pakistanis are working and earning their bread and butter in middle east not in Iran...

Saudis are equally bad but we diverting from our topic....This thread is not about who is good or bad because when it comes to geopolitics, everyone is dirty...