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GE finally gets LCA engine order

The order, placed in October-end, is only for eight GE F-414 engines meant for design, development and integration onto the Light Combat Aircraft Mk II airframe. India had decided to order 99 of these engines in 2010.

Two years after the announcement of the selection of the General Electric (GE) F414 engine over the EuroJet EJ-200 engine for the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Mk II program, India has finally signed the contract for their procurement.

However, this order, placed in October-end, is only for eight engines meant for design, development and integration onto the Mk II airframe.

After media reports in the last year repeatedly declared the conclusion of a contract for the stipulated 99 engines to be imminent, the government has finally chosen to place the initial order.

Sources in the defense ministry say the delay has been largely due to uncertainty over the feasibility of the LCA Mk II aircraft, with questions over the possibility of the integration of a new engine into the aircraft, and also the schedule for the completion of a satisfactory naval variant, the first iteration of which was denied certification by the Center for Military Airworthiness and Certification (CEMILAC), last March. Besides the integration of the new engine, the naval version will also require a more robust airframe and undercarriage, among other features.

“Why would we order engines only to have them gather dust in a warehouse, if it doesn’t work out?” asked one official, who also added, “You can’t just stick the new engine into the airframe.”

While the cost of the complete order for 99 engines was said to be around USD 600 million, the value of the order for the initial eight engines is not known.

This two-year delay in ordering the engines for the LCA Mk II is being seen as an indication of the confidence of the government in the LCA Mk II program.

The former chief of the Indian Air Force (IAF), Air Chief Marshal Pradeep Vasant Naik had referred to the LCA Mk I as a mere advancement on the MiG-21 in January, 2011. The Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) of the Mk I aircraft has been delayed to the third quarter of 2013 and the Final Operational Clearance (FOC) is expected only in 2015.

The stipulated period for design, development and integration of the new engine onto the Mk II aircraft is 48 months, or four years.

Also interestingly, the Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) laboratory, Gas Turbine Research Establishment, (GTRE) is planning to integrate the indigenous Kaveri engine onto an Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) LCA Tejas Mk I test aircraft over the next year. Neither the purpose of this test integration, nor the costs involved are clear at this point.

DRDO has earlier proposed the engine for powering Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) and trains.

As of March, 2012, India had budgeted INR 11845.20 crore (INR 118.45 billion or USD 2.1 billion) for the LCA program, of which INR 5051.46 crore (INR 50.5146 billion or USD 900 million) had been spent.


GE finally gets LCA engine order | StratPost
 
DRDO has earlier proposed the engine for powering Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) and trains.
So the much maligned and delayed Kaveri engine that was being developed for the last 3 decades for the LCA is now going to be used for powering passenger trains???? :woot: :rofl: WTF is going on? :undecided:
 
So the much maligned and delayed Kaveri engine that was being developed for the last 3 decades for the LCA is now going to be used for powering passenger trains???? :woot: :rofl: WTF is going on? :undecided:

An engine can be used for anything thats suitable for it.

Jets, drones, ships, even trains.
 
uuhhhhhh. expecting mk2 will be inducted after 2020 only.
 
Whole lot of mess..........great. Least we placed order.
And what the heck MOD was uncertain about ??? LCA is going to be cheap in costs anyways when we compare to other a/c in inventory.
 
there are rumours that it would have nt 98kn bt 120kn thrust?
is it true or only a rumour?
 
LCA is like a bad nightmare thats been going on for a decade and a half. Seriously sick of this LCA.
 
An engine can be used for anything thats suitable for it.

Jets, drones, ships, even trains.
Trains? Really? How can a jet engine like the Kaveri with a low-bypass-ratio (BPR) afterburning turbofan engine featuring a six-stage core high-pressure (HP) compressor with variable inlet guide vanes (IGVs), a three-stage low-pressure (LP) compressor with transonic blading, an annular combustion chamber, and cooled single-stage HP and LP turbines be used for automotive power for locomotives?
:pop:

Please educate me on this. :what: Thanks!
 
@ Orion Hunter,

Funny as it may sound, Gas turbines were tried as primemover for Locomotives in place of diesel engine. Even the world famous French TGV had a prototype Gas turbine Engine.
Turbine68.jpg


The logic behind use of gas turbines was its higher thermal efficiency as compared to Diesel engines and lower maintenance. However the Oil crisis of 70s derailed the Loco (no puns intended:azn:)

But to think an Imported state of the art gas turbine powering a loco on IR would be really amusing.
 
Trains? Really? How can a jet engine like the Kaveri with a low-bypass-ratio (BPR) afterburning turbofan engine featuring a six-stage core high-pressure (HP) compressor with variable inlet guide vanes (IGVs), a three-stage low-pressure (LP) compressor with transonic blading, an annular combustion chamber, and cooled single-stage HP and LP turbines be used for automotive power for locomotives?
:pop:

Please educate me on this. :what: Thanks!

First of all, its locomotive power n not automotive.....

A gas turbine-electric locomotive, or GTEL, is a locomotive that uses a gas turbine to drive an electrical generator or alternator. The electric current thus produced is used to power traction motors. The turbine (similar to a turboshaft engine) drives an output shaft, which drives the alternator via a system of gears.
A turbine offers some advantages over a piston engine. The number of moving parts is much smaller, and the power-to-weight ratio is much higher. A turbine of a given power output is also physically smaller than an equally powerful piston engine, allowing a locomotive to be very powerful without being inordinately large. However, a turbine's power output and efficiency both drop dramatically with rotational speed, unlike a piston engine, which has a comparatively flat power curve.

It is not used as a jet engine....
 
Now LCA will finally see daylight and real life use..
India's "indigenous" doctrine is a big hurdle to their weapons development..
Tejas could have came into service years ago,if India didn't insist on everything indigenous...

There is a saying "Stupid does exactly the same as the wise,but after suffering great losses".
 
And it took them 2 year to decide that ordering 99 get engine is not feasible because they were not sure that it ll work out or not. . Main problem is not with lca program , main problem is with these babus.
 
Now LCA will finally see daylight and real life use..
India's "indigenous" doctrine is a big hurdle to their weapons development..
Tejas could have came into service years ago,if India didn't insist on everything indigenous...

There is a saying "Stupid does exactly the same as the wise,but after suffering great losses".



you have the unique ability to listen to one story and understand another.
Keep on keeping, grab yr camera n walk out.....lol
 
@ Orion Hunter,

Funny as it may sound, Gas turbines were tried as primemover forThe logic behind use of gas turbines was its higher thermal efficiency as compared to Diesel engines and lower maintenance. However the Oil crisis of 70s derailed the Loco (no puns intended:azn:)

But to think an Imported state of the art gas turbine powering a loco on IR would be really amusing.
 
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