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Gaza kindergartners want to 'blow up Zionists'

Neither I am anti-zionist nor a pro-pelistini ... i have many Israili (jewish) Friends who are settled down in My state of Goa, i even smooked Weed With then at times:cheesy: , even they are obsessed and fed up with their Govt for being a military regime and y that is the reason they don't prefer to stay for longer time In Their Country ...... on the other side i even know most of the pelestines are un-civilised as i have seen them in Dubai . Israel is a civil society no issues with any discrimination againts the arabs i agree but u have only seen one side of them but what about the other side who kill innocents children and women in pelestine is their life so cheap or they don't have a right to live for being pelestinies

That's what we are hoping for. I hope from Israeli members here to abstain from publishing false propoganda against Arabs or Palestinians. If that doesn't happen, we have to counter back to your malicious propoganda. And you know we are able to do that.
 
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That's what we are hoping for. I hope from Israeli members here to abstain from publishing false propoganda against Arabs or Palestinians. If that doesn't happen, we have to counter your malicious propoganda. And you know we are able to do that.

Palestinian children learning to be martyrs and kill civilians and glorify terrorists who murdered innocent civilians is not propaganda but reality. Your avoidance from facing reality is a completely different problem.
 
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Creating hatred in a kid is the worst thing to do, cos that hatred will be inside the kid will be there till his end..
No, terrorism in any form is not okay.. The education system must be inspected by UN.. Isreal state will exist even if they dont want it...
PS: I actually was trying to say that if this issue was resolved, there wont be any need for hate education..

Yes, that is the point. Israel wants to resolve the issue peacefully. But the feeling is not mutual from the Palestinian side who always resorts to terror tactics desperately and never really accepted Israel.
 
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How about equating it to Kashmir problem which India faces? Do you sympathise with the Kashmir terrorists being killed?

Terrorism is not the same as war. Disproportionate force is always necessary to ensure no innocents are killed. Same with India and Israel.

I bet you didn't know that Israel's civilian casualty ratio of 1:28 is a record low.

As Mech said, the news reports you see of supposedly innocents being kiled, are part of Pallywood. Gullible people being conned into hating Israel based on staged events.

Watch this video for a good example:



Kashmir is an intergal part of India and it will remain with India atleast we Have our BSF soldiers to protect our valley from the militants,I consider the terrorist may it be from any religion do not deserve to live .
 
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Palestinian children learning to be martyrs and kill civilians and glorify terrorists who murdered innocent civilians is not propaganda but reality. Your avoidance from facing reality is a completely different problem.

I find this discussion sterile. We are just repeating things over and over again. However, how do you expect an orphaned child whose family got displaced, imprisoned, humiliated, stolen, impoverished, and hangered. How do you expect this child to be after facing all of that? Giving hugs and kisses to Israelis for instance?
 
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Kashmir is an intergal part of India and it will remain with India atleast we Have our BSF soldiers to protect our valley from the militants,I consider the terrorist may it be from any religion do not deserve to live .

I concur. You should also view Palestinian terrorists from the same angle, against Israel.
 
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Yes, that is the point. Israel wants to resolve the issue peacefully. But the feeling is not mutual from the Palestinian side who always resorts to terror tactics desperately and never really accepted Israel.

Israel is the terrorist. Stop being taken in by propaganda
 
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How can you relate Taliban/ALQ related to Palestines? Do you expect Indians Muslim to follow Hindu's friendship with Israel?? They can see something wrong, hindus can see something wrong on cows.


More propoganda, less truth. Have you heard about Pallywood? And rest assured, I know how majority of Indian Muslims feel. They are educated.

Israel is the terrorist. Stop being taken in by propaganda


Terrorist?...Who? You made me laugh:rofl:
 
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KS perhaps you would like to respond and or rebut Sharmine??


Excuse Me, But Israel Has No Right To Exist | Al Akhbar English

By Sharmine Narwani


The phrase “right to exist” entered my consciousness in the 1990s just as the concept of the two-state solution became part of our collective lexicon. In any debate at university, when a Zionist was out of arguments, those three magic words were invoked to shut down the conversation with an outraged, “are you saying Israel doesn’t have the right to exist??”

Of course you couldn’t challenge Israel’s right to exist – that was like saying you were negating a fundamental Jewish right to have…rights, with all manner of Holocaust guilt thrown in for effect.

Except of course the Holocaust is not my fault – or that of Palestinians. The cold-blooded program of ethnically cleansing Europe of its Jewish population has been so callously and opportunistically utilized to justify the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian Arab nation, that it leaves me utterly unmoved. I have even caught myself – shock - rolling my eyes when I hear Holocaust and Israel in the same sentence.

What moves me instead in this post-two-state era, is the sheer audacity of Israel even existing.

What a fantastical idea, this notion that a bunch of rank outsiders from another continent could appropriate an existing, populated nation for themselves – and convince the “global community” that it was the moral thing to do. I’d laugh at the chutzpah if this wasn’t so serious.

Even more brazen is the mass ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinian population by persecuted Jews, newly arrived from their own experience of being ethnically cleansed.

But what is truly frightening is the psychological manipulation of the masses into believing that Palestinians are somehow dangerous – “terrorists” intent on “driving Jews into the sea.” As someone who makes a living through words, I find the use of language in creating perceptions to be intriguing. This practice – often termed “public diplomacy” has become an essential tool in the world of geopolitics. Words, after all, are the building blocks of our psychology.

Take, for example, the way we have come to view the Palestinian-Israeli “dispute” and any resolution of this enduring conflict. And here I borrow liberally from a previous article of mine…

The United States and Israel have created the global discourse on this issue, setting stringent parameters that grow increasingly narrow regarding the content and direction of this debate. Anything discussed outside the set parameters has, until recently, widely been viewed as unrealistic, unproductive and even subversive.

Participation in the debate is limited only to those who prescribe to its main tenets: the acceptance of Israel, its regional hegemony and its qualitative military edge; acceptance of the shaky logic upon which the Jewish state's claim to Palestine is based; and acceptance of the inclusion and exclusion of certain regional parties, movements and governments in any solution to the conflict.

Words like dove, hawk, militant, extremist, moderates, terrorists, Islamo-fascists, rejectionists, existential threat, holocaust-denier, mad mullah determine the participation of solution partners -- and are capable of instantly excluding others.

Then there is the language that preserves "Israel's Right To Exist" unquestioningly: anything that invokes the Holocaust, anti-Semitism and the myths about historic Jewish rights to the land bequeathed to them by the Almighty – as though God was in the real-estate business. This language seeks not only to ensure that a Jewish connection to Palestine remains unquestioned, but importantly, seeks to punish and marginalize those who tackle the legitimacy of this modern colonial-settler experiment.

But this group-think has led us nowhere. It has obfuscated, distracted, deflected, ducked, and diminished, and we are no closer to a satisfactory conclusion…because the premise is wrong.

There is no fixing this problem. This is the kind of crisis in which you cut your losses, realize the error of your ways and reverse course. Israel is the problem. It is the last modern-day colonial-settler experiment, conducted at a time when these projects were being unraveled globally.

There is no “Palestinian-Israeli conflict” – that suggests some sort of equality in power, suffering, and negotiable tangibles, and there is no symmetry whatsoever in this equation. Israel is the Occupier and Oppressor; Palestinians are the Occupied and Oppressed. What is there to negotiate? Israel holds all the chips. They can give back some land, property, rights, but even that is an absurdity – what about everything else? What about ALL the land, property and rights? Why do they get to keep anything – how is the appropriation of land and property prior to 1948 fundamentally different from the appropriation of land and property on this arbitrary 1967 date?

Why are the colonial-settlers prior to 1948 any different from those who colonized and settled after 1967?

Let me correct myself. Palestinians do hold one chip that Israel salivates over – the one big demand at the negotiating table that seems to hold up everything else. Israel craves recognition of its “right to exist.”

But you do exist - don’t you, Israel?

Israel fears “delegitimization” more than anything else. Behind the velvet curtain lies a state built on myths and narratives, protected only by a military behemoth, billions of dollars in US assistance and a lone UN Security Council veto. Nothing else stands between the state and its dismantlement. Without these three things, Israelis would not live in an entity that has come to be known as the “least safe place for Jews in the world.”

Strip away the spin and the gloss, and you quickly realize that Israel doesn’t even have the basics of a normal state. After 64 years, it doesn’t have borders. After six decades, it has never been more isolated. Over half a century later, and it needs a gargantuan military just to stop Palestinians from walking home.

Israel is a failed experiment. It is on life-support – pull those three plugs and it is a cadaver, living only in the minds of some seriously deluded foreigners who thought they could pull off the heist of the century.

The most important thing we can do as we hover on the horizon of One State is to shed the old language rapidly. None of it was real anyway – it was just the parlance of that particular “game.” Grow a new vocabulary of possibilities – the new state will be the dawn of humanity’s great reconciliation. Muslims, Christians and Jews living together in Palestine as they once did.

Naysayers can take a hike. Our patience is wearing thinner than the walls of the hovels that Palestinian refugees have called “home” for three generations in their purgatory camps.

These universally exploited refugees are entitled to the nice apartments – the ones that have pools downstairs and a grove of palm trees outside the lobby. Because the kind of compensation owed for this failed western experiment will never be enough.

And no, nobody hates Jews. That is the fallback argument screeched in our ears – the one “firewall” remaining to protect this Israeli Frankenstein. I don’t even care enough to insert the caveats that are supposed to prove I don’t hate Jews. It is not a provable point, and frankly, it is a straw man of an argument. If Jews who didn’t live through the Holocaust still feel the pain of it, then take that up with the Germans. Demand a sizeable plot of land in Germany – and good luck to you.

For anti-Semites salivating over an article that slams Israel, ply your trade elsewhere – you are part of the reason this problem exists.

Israelis who don’t want to share Palestine as equal citizens with the indigenous Palestinian population – the ones who don’t want to relinquish that which they demanded Palestinians relinquish 64 years ago - can take their second passports and go back home. Those remaining had better find a positive attitude – Palestinians have shown themselves to be a forgiving lot. The amount of carnage they have experienced at the hands of their oppressors – without proportional response – shows remarkable restraint and faith.

This is less the death of a Jewish state than it is the demise of the last remnants of modern-day colonialism. It is a rite of passage – we will get through it just fine. At this particular precipice in the 21st century, we are all, universally, Palestinian – undoing this wrong is a test of our collective humanity, and nobody has the right to sit this one out.

Israel has no right to exist. Break that mental barrier and just say it: “Israel has no right to exist.” Roll it around your tongue, tweet it, post it as your Facebook status update – do it before you think twice. Delegitimization is here – have no fear. Palestine will be less painful than Israel ever was.
 
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Enjoy!

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KS perhaps you would like to respond and or rebut Sharmine??
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I comprehensively did so here but received no concrete response from you: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/183869-whos-right-israel-palestine-11.html#post3035885

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The article does not debunk any of the point Israel makes in it's defence. Let us compare Israel with Pakistan.

Both the countries were shaped by the British Empire as with India and all countries in the middle east. Both of them involved the migration based on religion due to the perceived unfair treatment of the respective religion. Israel has a right to exist as much as Pakistan has.

One additional point of Israel is that jews had historical ties to it's homeland. Muslims of south asia had no historical ties to the land known as Pakistan.

Now coming to this point, Zionists base their claim on the Land of Israel based on four points:

- The Jewish people settled and developed the land.

- The international community granted sovereignty to Jewish people over Palestine.

- The territory was captured in defensive wars against Arabs amidst continuous harassment and insurgency by Arab terrorists against Israeli civilians.

- God promised the land to Abraham. This is also supported by Islamic holy book Koran. So, we Muslims should not have any problem with this. After all, whoever promised the middle east to Arabs? Arabs were settlers once upon a time just like Zionists. Arab fascists act like the whole middle east is some God-gifted land to them and no Jew or Christian has any right to it even if they have legitimate reasons to claim so.


Leaving out the historical aspect, let us come to the near history.

By the early 1800s, many years before the birth of Zionist movement, more than 10000 jews lived in what is today known as Israel. It only gained prominence after 1870.

The Balfour declaration by British Empire legalized uninterrupted Jewish migration to the Land of Israel. Just as the partition in south asia legitimized the Muslim migration to present day pakistan. We do recognise Pakistan's right to exist don't we? What is our problem with Israel then?

Yep but Jews were happy before Zionists and Israelis arrived, Do you not comprehend that??

Are you sure the hate is not for Jews? And they lived peacefully before Israel?

When Hitler introduced the Nuremberg racial laws in 1935, he received telegrams of congratulation from all corners of the Arab world.5Later, during the war, one of his most ardent supporters was the Mufti of Jerusalem.

The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire.23

The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in the UN. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: “Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world.”25

More than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940’s in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen.26 This helped trigger the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries.

on November 23, 1937, Saudi Arabia’s King Ibn Saud told British Colonel H.R.P. Dickson: “Our hatred for the Jews dates from God’s condemnation of them for their persecution and rejection of Isa (Jesus) and their subsequent rejection of His chosen Prophet.” He added “that for a Muslim to kill a Jew, or for him to be killed by a Jew ensures him an immediate entry into Heaven and into the august presence of God Almighty.”4

Jews were never permitted to live in Jordan. Civil Law No. 6, which governed the Jordanian-occupied West Bank, states explicitly: “Any man will be a Jordanian subject if he is not Jewish.”6

After the Six-Day War in 1967, the Israelis found public school textbooks that had been used to educate Arab children in the West Bank. They were replete with racist and hateful portrayals of Jews.7

King Faisal of Saudi Arabia, for example, said that Jews “have a certain day on which they mix the blood of non-Jews into their bread and eat it. It happened that two years ago, while I was in Paris on a visit, that the police discovered five murdered children. Their blood had been drained, and it turned out that some Jews had murdered them in order to take their blood and mix it with the bread that they eat on this day.”10
 
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