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Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

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jhungary said:
This applies both side. Hamas should have left the civilian alone as well, this is the reason why the collective west are giving Israeli blank cheque to cash and latitude to do what they are about to do. If you ask me, taking Israeli civilian hostage is pretty stupid move because that you cannot be denied that it is done intentionally, you can accidentally kill some civilian in a firefight with IDF, but you can't "accidentally" take civilian hostage, for me, the taking of 150 or so hostage is worse than killing 1200 Israeli....

Had Hamas focus on military target only, they may be able to garner some sympathy in moderate country, the problem is, this detail ops is shown to be target civilian on day 1, that's for them loses their moral high ground for it. The result is quite clearly shown by the Palestinian support rally around the world. It had dwindled a lot since this war.

On the other hand, I don't think this will benefit Gaza, because I don't think this is a one-off thing, a logical approach for Israel is that they will either constantly going into Gaza or they would occupy Gaza to inhibit any Hamas development. They know if they go in and kick the hornet nest and then leave, they are only looking at a bigger attack some year down the road, that will mean they are going to be ongoing operation.
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It is already known that the genocide of the Palestinians is planned, and the Zionist PM has already mentioned that during his speech to the UN. There is no doubt that Hamas is a group that knows what they are doing, and holding 150 hostages is equivalent to ensuring their safety. It is no secret that Zionists are very clever and never forget kind of creatures, so they are still trying to figure out how to proceed with the genocide of Palestinians once and for all. As a result of recent leaks of evidence of Palestinian genocide, here is the evidence.
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LeGenD said:
There is no fantasy in this post but a collection of facts that are often overlooked in narrative overflows. Is it difficult for you to understand the sequence the events in the Vietnam War and the fact that some of the most impressive American battlefield victories are in Vietnam? It was up to American leadership to take advantage of these American battlefield victories and secure independence of South Vietnam when Vietcong was brought to the negotiation table in 1972, but it did not. Both Johnson and Nixon turned out to be poor leaders, and Nixon went down in history as a corrupt leader. You stick to narrative but I have critical thinking, and I reflected on this historical development to understand what happened in fair manner.

You want to boast about Vietcong's prowess in combat? Study Sino-Vietnam War for a change. In this war, Vietcong maintained its occupational grip on Cambodia while holding China at bay. China wanted to liberate Cambodia by bringing Vietcong to its knees but suffered heavy losses in just 3 weeks and gave up. Vietcong handled two countries in this war and maintained its gains in the process. This is incredible.

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US does not have direct access to Afghanistan and had to work with Pakistan to do its bidding in Afghanistan. American mission was to dismantle Al-Qaeda Network in the region. Towards this end, Taliban setup was toppled in 2001 (Operation Enduring Freedom), and Al-Qaeda Network was defeated in Tora Bora mountains in 2002 (Operation Anaconda). Taliban and Al-Qaeda Network survivors fled to neighboring countries.

Taliban managed to regroup in neighboring countries but lost about 70,000 fighters in various clashes in Afghanistan and the war was settled on the negotiation table with Pakistani and Qatari mediation. Taliban had no choice but to accept following American demand:

"The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan reaffirms its continued commitment not to cooperate with or permit international terrorist groups or individuals to recruit, train, raise funds (including through the production or distribution of narcotics), transit Afghanistan or misuse its internationallyrecognized travel documents, or conduct other support activities in Afghanistan, and will not host them."

Do you think this demand was new? NO, it wasn't. This demand was put in front of Taliban in 2001. Read Pervez Musharraf's book.

Taliban accomplishments are impressive but they did not defeat US in war. They settled for peace with US while the US focused on dimantling Al-Qaeda Network in the region. US respected Pakistani interests but you are mistaking this for defeat. US and Pakistan were fully aware of what was going on and were in touch with each other. But you have let some naive boasters in this forum to cloud your judgement.

There are members here who believe Russians have won in Ukraine even though this war is yet to conclude. I do not see you "correcting" these members. :rolleyes: You are one who needs reality check, not me. Don't quote me and waste my time with illogical rants. If you cannot look at the facts on the whole, not my problem.

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I really appreciate your detailed observation and you did post the facts about pure military things but i think it is subadequate for overall picture as the modern wars, especially in western hemisphere, are not conducted only by army, sure you are aware of that, so plethora of other factors are in that game, lets say those are flaws of democracy which are obstacle and counterparts are aware of it as they all need to do is to survive and be last on hill.
Western countries simply can not hold their population agitated towards wars for long time, so eventually they become loosers.
 
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People here are screaming security failure in Israel etc.

Bibi was under extreme pressure because of internal politics.

HE DID THIS AND NOW HE IS POLITICALLY A SUPERMAN AGAIN IN ISRAEL.
 
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Total Destruction said:
it wasn't hamas who captured the civilians.
some gazans civilizans went out to the settlments after hamas attack and captured some civilians and brought them back to gaza but anyway the blame will be on hamas, that's for sure.
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That's the same tho........That just more directly implicate Palestinian than Hamas, that does not make it more legitimate.

I mean look at the Pro-Palestinian protest in 2021


It was over 150 thousand attended. and now??


It's "hundred" and "thousand" not Hundred Thousand......

That is big drop in support.
 
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jhungary said:
That's the same tho........That just more directly implicate Palestinian than Hamas, that does not make it more legitimate.

I mean look at the Pro-Palestinian protest in 2021


It was over 150 thousand attended. and now??


It's "hundred" and "thousand" not Hundred Thousand......

That is big drop in support.
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Protests don't matter. Politicians know this is simply hot air and tomorrow everyone will forget and because at work
 
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LeGenD said:

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As soon as Hanoi signaled it wished to resume peace negotiations, Linebacker II raids immediately ceased. Some in the Air Force argued that this was a mistake; if the United States continued the attacks, they maintained, North Vietnam would have to accept a military defeat. Instead, they secured at the peace table a political victory that they would in due course translate into a full-scale military conquest of South Vietnam.

Not long after the end of Linebacker II and the formal return of the US prisoners of war, United States forces at last formally disengaged from the war in Southeast Asia. There then followed what Henry Kissinger described as a “decent interval” of about two years, after which Hanoi, knowing that it no longer faced any realistic threat of another Linebacker II, invaded South Vietnam across a broad front. The Communist forces entered Saigon on April 30, 1975, and unified the two Vietnams under Hanoi’s totalitarian control.

To Air Force observers, the events of 1975 pointed up a classic case of “what might have been.” To them, full application of airpower in a Linebacker II-type campaign in 1965, a decade earlier, would have achieved military victory, prevented the long and costly US involvement in Southeast Asia, saved South Vietnam as a nation, and allowed the US to escape the calamitous effects that the Vietnamese war has afflicted on America ever since.

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And I know much about what happened in Pakistan. Do not think that all are ignorant. Khan's big boasts have landed him in jail. You can see it. There are some matters that the army does not want to discuss or admit. So leave it.
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This is what I see without any strategy, doing nothing but impressing the local audience. In order to stop the Israeli war mongering strategy, we should hit the strategic compulsion of Israeli products or put pressure on the Saudi prince to stop oil production to zero. This will cause the west to feel the hike in fuel costs, which will have a significant effect on Israel's war mongering strategy.
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Last post before I go to bed but some thought came to mind what if China attack Taiwan ? Isn’t it’s strategic time for China? I hope and will pray for peace because every human being deserve to live. Good night everyone
 
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Foinikas said:
How do you even clean that?!

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Just wait till it rains, all the debris and human remains too heavily entombed to be removed from the collapsed structures will run off and contaminate any local water source, and that is how water borne diseases spread after disasters. List of waterborne diseases seen following a disaster:
  • Botulism
  • Leptospirosis
  • Typhoid Fever
  • Diarrhoea
  • Giardia
  • Cholera

Handshake said:
Last post before I go to bed but some thought came to mind what if China attack Taiwan ? Isn’t it’s strategic time for China? I hope and will pray for peace because every human being deserve to live. Good night everyone
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China won't attack Taiwan.
 
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