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Future Of KSA And Middle-East After US Senate Passes New 9/11 Bill. "The Implications"

New Shift in USA Foregin Policies "Are The KSA New Target OF USA"


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Do you think that KSA cares about what some American court says? What power do they have? Will they invade KSA and force us to pay .

Yes, they'll make you pay for something you haven't done. They'll simply seize the Saudi assets in the US banks, do you really think it is impossible? Wake up, we are not dreaming but you are.
 
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I suspect our Saudi brothers will be hurt more than the US will. indeed if they go ahead with the threat to sell off their assets and equities.

this amount of money going into Europe will have geopolitical implications but they can benefit USA...which will be able to export more due to weak dollar.

US District Judge George Daniels in Manhattan, New York, said Saudi Arabia had sovereign immunity from damage claims by families of nearly 3,000 people killed in the attacks, and from insurers that covered losses suffered by building owners and businesses.

I hope the few hundred thousands in Afghanistan and Iraq can and should have the means to sue US under the same law..US is increasingly becoming a Jungle state with two set of rules...and a state like this is called dictatorship even if its token president is changed every five year.
 
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I doubt that this bill survive Obama's veto. Nevertheless, it's a failure of Saudi Arabia's lobbying efforts in US, which is comparable to both India and Israel.

Like US relations with Pakistan, there is slow shifting away from Saudi Arabia.
 
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KSA taking $750 billion out of the U.S economy that's hilarious.

regime change in KSA will be so sweat




we knew KSA was involved all along and instead of pinning it on KSA it was easier to blame Iraq/Afghanistan.

nearly all the suppose hijackers were Saudis.......so the writing was on the wall


U.S,KSA, and Israel planned this entire invade and topple strategy in the Middle East




I wonder if KSA was one of the seven.

Sir after watching video and looking closely to few international political issues and not to mention Royal Problems of KSA , I don't think its only a Regime change , as you said About Iraq and Afghanistan USA is there for only Military and geopolitical reasons , A base right next to Pakistan " best place if you want to attack or destroy KSA while repeating Syria "
Thank you

Dear django Kharbuza chore per girray ya chore Kharbuzay per Nuqsan Karbuzay ka hi hota hai. And USA will seize there all assets even before KSA put them on sell
I suspect our Saudi brothers will be hurt more than the US will. indeed if they go ahead with the threat to sell off their assets and equities.


Sir do you really think Iran wont drop oil production if Russia ask them????? And Sir for you and all of other fellow members there is a thing in market call Panama Leaks !!!!!! please just think about it again and the Law changing that it will bring with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And also Once upon a time there was a King In Iran " Where is His all Money And Property" and also look at Qazafi and Hussani Mubarak. USA will seize all of KSA "Govt and Private " assets well before any reaction from KSA , and don't forget they will do it Legally :p::D:P;)
Hi

Just to correct ,reason why KSA not lowering output has some points in crushing Russia but not 100% as Iran is the new player in town which is not cutting production down so KSA will not do that in order to maintains its position as leaders in oil producing nations .There is some difference between US and KSA over this bill and Trumph will be the first to lick the saudi boat reason why he is a business man and Saudis have enough assets to make US bleed specially in this time .Nothing Big will come all are ok in KSA with little inflation and thats it there advisors are very efficient and soon this problem will be sort out .


Sir Weak dollar is not favourable to world economy , EU cant stand as new currency "even UK is Leaving or paling to leave EU" Chines are trying to build there currency "look closely how much Gold They are buying " but that will still need a decade minimum .
this amount of money going into Europe will have geopolitical implications but they can benefit USA...which will be able to export more due to weak dollar.



I hope the few hundred thousands in Afghanistan and Iraq can and should have the means to sue US under the same law..US is increasingly becoming a Jungle state with two set of rules...and a state like this is called dictatorship even if its token president is changed every five year.

Sir there is a Saying " MIGHT IS RIGHT " I am sorry that time will never come!!!!!
 
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In fact KSA should sue the US for their destructive role in neighboring Iraq (which impacted KSA directly), Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam and countless of other nations across the world. Get China, Russia and others onboard.

I lol'ed - you wanted the military invasion of Iraq more than anyone else. Besides, the US invested billions to help Iraq with post-war reconstruction, hardly a 'destructive role'; things could be better had there not been so much sectarian violence sponsored by KSA.
 
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I lol'ed - you wanted the military invasion of Iraq more than anyone else. Besides, the US invested billions to help Iraq with post-war reconstruction, hardly a 'destructive role'; things could be better had there not been so much sectarian violence sponsored by KSA.

Look in the mirror and you will "lol" even harder. At least you should.

Are you sure or are you just blabbering about issues that you know very little about? I have noticed that Bangladeshi users have this habit whenever they are commenting on issues that do not concern their immediate neighborhood.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2773759.stm

Read the spot on article above. Everything here 13 years later was proved to be correct.

They "invested" very well indeed. The entire world can see the aftereffects of their "brilliant" job. Aside from committing damages worth trillions of dollars and killing a too great number of people. All due to a lie.

Yes, I am sure that KSA was behind this and not the US.:lol: Ironically the safest and most prosperous region of Iraq is Southern Iraq which is next to KSA.

Other than that your empty accusations and that of others are empty slander with no evidence whatsoever either and the very same US agrees and has always been in agreement. Not that I care what their leadership is saying.
 
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Political theatre and nothing else from the mostly retarded American political establishment. Those baboons think that they can threaten and blackmail KSA, lol.

There is no possible scenario that would result in this becoming law. It's an election year. Republicans may say ridiculous things, but at the end of the day they only care about money. This bill would essentially destroy the mutual immunity that allows the US to avoid being sued by other countries. Imagine what would happen if governments around the world decided that the agreement was over and that their citizens could sue the US for X, Y, and Z. There's literally no chance that Congress would open themselves up to that kind of liability. But it makes good headlines when they know that Obama will be forced to veto it.

It's good publicity as well considering their several trillion (!) big debt.

Edit: I just remembered that Trump is their nominee. It seems that they are already OK with burning the whole house down to the ground.

Let's assume that this becomes law. KSA will just sell their $750 billion in treasury securities and numerous other investments (worth some 2-3 trillion US dollars in total) which will hurt US economy tremendously and the next day declare a "special" relationship with our biggest trading partner China and long-time partners. Not only that finance and lobby every single state that has any reason to equally sue the US. Eventually the US will lose much more than they will gain.

In fact KSA should sue the US for their destructive role in neighboring Iraq (which impacted KSA directly), Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam and countless of other nations across the world. Get China, Russia and others onboard.

Not to mention that KSA has no role in 9/11 whatsoever which the commission in 2004 proved and nothing else since (real evidence not just empty talk) has proved otherwise.

I liked al-Jubeir's answer the most. (for the Arabic speakers here, after all it's the 5th most spoken language in the world and one of the 6 official UN languages)

قال الجبير لكيري: "كل أربع أو خمس سنوات تفاجؤننا بهذه الصفحات، حتى تحولت إلى ما يُشبه السيف المسلط على رقابنا، سيف داموقليس"، قبل أن يُضيف: "فلتنشروا التقرير، وأريحونا".

Translation: "Every four or five years, you surprise us with these pages, to the point they become like a sword pointed to our necks. Just go ahead and publish said report."

Well said. Lastly the US is a crumbling empire. It's time will come like that of any previous one. It's already going the wrong way. Give it a few decades and their reign of terror (foreign policy) will be over and most of the world will rejoice in particular a certain successor state called China.
Superb post brother, fully deserving a positive rating.kudos
 
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The US Senate has passed legislation that would allow families of 9/11 victims to sue Saudi Arabia's government for damages.

This act is not yet Law. Any speculation would be just that - speculation.
 
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Look in the mirror and you will "lol" even harder. At least you should.
Are you sure or are you just blabbering about issues that you know very little about? I have noticed that Bangladeshi users have this habit whenever they are commenting on issues that do not concern their immediate neighborhood.

Yes, I am sure that KSA was behind this and not the US.:lol: Ironically the safest and most prosperous region of Iraq is Southern Iraq which is next to KSA.

Other than that your empty accusations and that of others are empty slander with no evidence whatsoever either and the very same US agrees and has always been in agreement. Not that I care what their leadership is saying.

Getting personal, getting emotionally worked up, insulting other countries and going off in tangents to prove how wealthy KSA in lieu of an intelligent discussion does not make your pov any more convincing. ;p
No wonder the Arab world is in such a mess. Try and restrain your emotions.

One of the prime motives of any invasion of Iraq has always been to protect the Saudi monarchy:

America's Greatest Fear: What If Saddam Had Invaded Saudi Arabia?

KSA's "concern" and superficial neutrality was only intended for domestic (Arab) political consumption.
 
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Getting personal, getting emotionally worked up, insulting other countries and going off in tangents to prove how wealthy KSA in lieu of an intelligent discussion does not make your pov any more convincing. ;p


One of the prime motives of any invasion of Iraq has always been to protect the Saudi monarchy:

America's Greatest Fear: What If Saddam Had Invaded Saudi Arabia?

KSA's concern and superficial neutrality was only intended for domestic political consumption.

Where did I get personal? Where am I emotional? Where did I insult "other countries"? Yes, I have a problem with US foreign policy but that does not mean that I have a problem with the US as a country or Americans, among them the 3.5 million Arab-Americans. I have no problem with any single people whether they are Papuans, Bengalis or Hausa people.

You made a false claim that you could not back up with anything concrete (empirical evidence in other words) while I countered your claim by posting the official statements and policy of KSA in regards to Iraq in 2003, before the invasion occurred. It's an article published by BBC so neither can you question the source in this case.

You are the one here who ignores my factual posts. I solely stick to facts.

Iraq was no threat to KSA or anybody in 2003 whatsoever. Iraq was neutralized after the First Gulf War 13 years prior. I am of partial Iraqi origin on my father's side, I have relatives in that country to this very day and I am probably the foremost expert/knowledgeable person when it comes to Iraqi/Arab history and politics on this very forum. So please don't joke with me here. Iraq was a sanctioned state that could fall apart every moment in case of major unrest. Most of Northern Iraq was out of the state's control due to the UN imposed no-fly zone which lasted from 1991-2003. The South of the country, although armed rebellions were crushed in the 1990's, was just waiting for the removal of Saddam. When the Americans invaded from the South through Kuwait nobody among the local population resisted but rather initially welcomed the US-led coalition.

You are as expected confusing the First Gulf War (which would never have led to an invasion of KSA, lol, - the 12th largest country and albeit far from as prepared as today still no pushover for the Iraqi army) with the Second Gulf War 12 years later. KSA had absolutely nothing to gain from the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 which was based on a lie and which contributed to the current chaos in the region more than anything and subsequent US policy in Iraq. Such as the disarmament of the entire civil society, military, police etc. which hit the Sunni Arab community very hard and made millions of people jobless and thus attractive for resistance movements and later what emerged as terror groups. Let alone the current failed ethnic quota system that has paralyzed Iraq completety etc. The list is very long so it is pointless for me to continue.

The only regional regime that gained anything from the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 where the Iranian Mullah's ironically which even later American "decision makers" (or clowns as I refer to most of them) have acknowledged in public.

Anyway let me try posting this article again as it seems that you did not get the message.

Saudis warn US over Iraq war
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Saudi Arabia warns the US not to go it alone

Saudi Arabia has warned the United States against a possible war against Iraq in an exclusive interview with the BBC.
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We think war is going to be a tremendous threat to the region... We think that, especially if it doesn't come through the United Nations' authority, that it would be a dangerous thing to do
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Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal has said that any unilateral military action by the US would appear as an "act of aggression".

"Independent action in this, we don't believe is good for the United States," he told the BBC's world affairs editor John Simpson at a meeting of the Arab League foreign ministers in Cairo.

"It would encourage people to think... that what they're doing is a war of aggression rather than a war for the implementation of the United Nations resolutions."


"So we are ardently... urging the United States to continue to work with the United Nations... and not to create an act of individual aggression, of individually taking charge of the duties of the Security Council."

Regime change

Regime change would lead to the destruction of Iraq, and would threaten to destabilise the entire Middle East region, Prince Saud said.

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If the choice is you destroy Iraq in order to get Saddam Hussein, it is a self-defeating policy, isn't it? I mean, you destroy a country to get a person out - it doesn't work

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Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal
"If change of regime comes with the destruction of Iraq, then you are solving one problem and creating five more problems.

"That is the consideration that we have to make, because we are living in the region. We will suffer the consequences of any military action."


Regime change can only be a possibility if it is done "indigenously", he said.

"There has never been in the history of the world a country in which a regime change happened at the bayonets of guns that has led to stability."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2773759.stm

It does not take a genius to realize that the region was 100 times more stable prior to the FATAL Iraqi invasion of 2003 (this does not mean that Saddam Hussein was an angel or that he should not have been removed in a perfect world) than it is today. Of course this will change for the better eventually in a few years time but the destruction in Iraq and now Syria has destroyed the hopes of an entire generation and the blame for that lies in the hands of mainly the US but of course not only. In fact those two states very existence is at stake. In fact US meddling in the region historically (for the past 80 years or so since they became actively involved in the region) has led to very little positive. Just as well as British and French involvement prior to that.

Lastly nobody in KSA or most ME states for that matter have elected their leaders so stop saying "we". You can say that about your current, apparently elected, "democratic" regime in Bangladesh.

In other news, the Arab world should align itself more closely with China our ancient partner. Chinese are sincere people and trustworthy. They have been through what we are going through not long ago. We (the two largest ethnic groups in the world) could form a tremendous alliance. Whenever I see Arabs and Chinese interacting in person, online or elsewhere there is always mutual respect and warmth. I don't get that feeling from certain Western regimes where bigotry, ignorance etc. runs high. If I ever reach any position of serious power, which I aim at, this will be one of my main priorities.
 
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This act is not yet Law. Any speculation would be just that - speculation.
Sir as I said , Obama will veto this, but this bill showing the mode of Senate,,, What if this Bill is Pass again in "Trump" presidency "If He Wins" . After looking his statements do you think He will veto this???

And for @MastanKhan , @Viper0011. Sir both of you lives in USA and Know many things about there way of doing things, with good Knowledge of Geopolitical situations , Please shear your thoughts on this.
Thank you .
 
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Sir as I said , Obama will veto this, but this bill showing the mode of Senate,,, What if this Bill is Pass again in "Trump" presidency "If He Wins" . After looking his statements do you think He will veto this???

Trump is not even the nominee yet, let alone the winner of the elections. Besides, he will also have a new Congress to work with, so nothing can be said about this possible law at present.
 
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http://www.arabnews.com/news/white-house-warns-anti-saudi-911-lawsuit-bill-will-be-vetoed

WASHINGTON: The White House said on Tuesday that it had “serious concerns” about a bill the US Senate passed earlier in the day that would allow survivors and relatives of those killed in the Sept. 11 attacks to sue to seek damages from the Saudi government.
“Given the concerns that we have expressed, it's difficult to imagine the president signing this legislation,” White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters.
The Kingdom has denied responsibility for the 2001 attacks, strongly objecting to the bill.
The “Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act,” or JASTA, passed the Senate by unanimous voice vote. It must next be taken up by the US House of Representatives, where no vote has yet been scheduled.
If it became law, JASTA would remove the sovereign immunity, preventing lawsuits against governments, for countries found to be involved in terrorist attacks on US soil. It would allow survivors of the attacks, and relatives of those killed in the attacks, to seek damages from other countries.
Democratic Senator Charles Schumer of New York, a co-sponsor, said the bill is overdue and that, because it only applies to attacks on US soil, does not risk lawsuits against the United States.
Republican Senator John Cornyn of Texas, also a sponsor of the bill, said JASTA does not target the Saudis, although he alluded to a still-classified section of a report on the Sept. 11 attacks.
“We have yet to see the 28 pages that have not been yet released about the 9/11 report, and that may well be instructive,” Cornyn said at the news conference.
Other lawmakers who have seen the 28 pages have said releasing them would quiet such rumors.
The Obama administration has said it opposes JASTA and that President Barack Obama would veto it. Asked if Senate Democrats would back a veto, Schumer said he would vote against Obama.
 
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Declassified documents detail 9/11 commission's inquiry into Saudi Arabia

Newly released files may show connections between low-level Saudi officials and a terrorist support network in southern California led to the 9/11 attacks


People are seen in a reflection of a photo of the twin towers during an anniversary ceremony commemorating 9/11. Photograph: Andrew Burton/Getty Images
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Investigators for the 9/11 commission would later describe the scene in Saudi Arabia as chilling.

They took seats in front of a former Saudi diplomat who, many on the commission’s staff believed, had been a ringleader of a Saudi government spy network inside the US that gave support to at least two of the 9/11 hijackers in California in the year before the 2001 attacks.

At first, the witness, 32-year-old Fahad al-Thumairy, dressed in traditional white robes and headdress, answered the questions calmly, his hands folded in front of him. But when the interrogation became confrontational, he began to squirm, literally, pushing himself back and forth in the chair, folding and unfolding his arms, as he was pressed about his ties to two Saudi hijackers who had lived in southern California before 9/11.

Even as he continued to deny any link to terrorists, Thumairy became angry and began to sputter when confronted with evidence of his 21 phone calls with another Saudi in the hijackers’ support network – a man Thumairy had once claimed to be a stranger. “It was so clear Thumairy was lying,” a commission staffer said later. “It was also so clear he was dangerous.”

An interrogation report prepared after the questioning of the Saudi diplomat in February 2004 is among the most tantalizing of a sheaf of newly declassified documents from the files of the staff of the 9/11 commission. The files, which were quietly released by the National Archives over the last 18 months and have drawn little public scrutiny until now, offer a detailed chronology of how the commission’s staff investigated allegations of Saudi government involvement in 9/11, including how the panel’s investigators flew to Saudi Arabia to go face-to-face with some of the Saudis believed to have been part of the hijackers’ support network on American soil.

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Fahad al-Thumairy Photograph: CBS
The newly declassified documents may also help resolve the lingering mystery about what is hidden in a long-classified congressional report about ties between Saudi Arabia and the 9/11 attacks.

A former commission staff member said in an interview last week that the material in the newly released files largely duplicates information from “the 28 pages”, as they are commonly known in Washington, and then goes well beyond it.

Speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of angering his former colleagues, he said he was annoyed that so much attention has been focused on “the 28 pages” when, in fact, the commission had full access to the congressional report and used it as a roadmap to gather new evidence and witness accounts that demonstrated sinister connections between low-level Saudi government officials and a terrorist support network in southern California.

“We had lots of new material,” the former staffer said. Another, earlier memo from the commission’s files, unearthed last month by the website 28pages.org, which is pressing for release of the congressional report, lists the names of dozens of Saudis and others who had come under suspicion for possible involvement with the hijackers, including at least two Saudi naval officers. The memo, dated June 2003, noted the concern of the staff that earlier US investigations of the Saudi ties to terrorism had been hindered by “political, economic or other considerations”.

Barack Obama has said he is nearing a decision on whether to declassify the 28 pages, a move that has led to the first serious public split among the 9/11 commissioners since they issued a final report in 2004. The commission’s former chairman and vice chairman have urged caution in releasing the congressional report, suggesting it could do damage to US-Saudi relations and smear innocent people, while several of the other commissions have called for the 28 pages to be made public, saying the report could reveal leads about the Saudis that still need to be pursued.

Earlier this week, a Republican commissioner, former navy secretary John F Lehman, said there was clear evidence that Saudi government employees were part of a support network for the 9/11 hijackers – an allegation, congressional officials have confirmed, that is addressed in detail in the 28 pages.

In an interview Thursday, Lehman said that while he had not meant to his comments to suggest any deep disagreements among the 10 commissioners about their investigation, he stood by his view – directly contradicting the commission’s chairman and vice-chairman – that “there was an awful lot of participation by Saudi individuals in supporting the hijackers, and some of those people worked in the Saudi government”.

“The 9/11 investigation was terminated before all the relevant leads were able to be investigated,” he said on Thursday. “I believe these leads should be vigorously pursued. I further believe that the relevant 28 pages from the congressional report should be released, redacting only the names of individuals and certain leads that have been proven false.”


Barack Obama meets with Saudi King Salman. The US president has said he is nearing a decision on whether to declassify the 28 pages. Photograph: Kevin Lamarque/Reuters

For some of the families of 9/11 victims and others who have been harshly critical of the investigation conducted by the 9/11 commission, the newly declassified paperwork from the commission’s files and the renewed debate over the 28 pages are likely to raise the question of why the blue-ribbon, 10-member panel effectively overruled the recommendations of some its staff and produced a final report that was widely seen as an exoneration of Saudi Arabia, home to 15 of the 19 hijackers and the source of much of al-Qaida’s funding before 9/11.

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The files show that the commission’s investigators, which included veterans of the FBI, justice department, CIA and state department, confronted the Saudi witnesses in 2003 and 2004 with evidence and witness accounts that appeared to confirm their involvement with a network of other Saudi expatriates in southern California who provided shelter, food and other support to two of the 9/11 hijackers – Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar – in the year before the attacks. The two hijackers, both Saudis, were aboard American Airlines flight 77 when it crashed into the Pentagon.

According to the newly declassified interrogation reports, another key Saudi witness who appeared before the commission, Osama Basnan, a man described as “the informal mayor” of the Islamic community in San Diego before 9/11, was repeatedly caught in lies when asked about his relationship to Saudis in the support network. Basnan, who returned home to Saudi Arabia after coming under investigation after 9/11, had an “utter lack of credibility on virtually every material subject” in denying any role in a terrorist support network, the report said.

Basnan came under scrutiny, in part, because of tens of thousands of dollars in cashiers’ checks that his ailing wife received before 9/11 from a charitable fund controlled by the wife of the Saudi ambassador to Washington, Princess Haifa al-Faisal. Congressional investigators determined that much of that money, which totaled as much as $70,000, had been turned over to the family of another Saudi man in San Diego, Omar al-Bayoumi, who was at the center of efforts to assist the two hijackers, including moving them from Los Angeles to San Diego and helping them find an apartment and enter flight school. Telephone records would show that Bayoumi had been in close contact throughout the period with Thumairy, the Saudi diplomat in Los Angeles who was eventually detained and deported from the US on terrorism charges.

Although the 9/11 commission’s report drew no final conclusion about the roles of Basnan and Bayoumi, former US senator Bob Graham, the Florida Democrat who led the joint House-Senate intelligence committee that wrote the 28 pages, has said repeatedly over the years that he is convinced that both men were low-level Saudi government intelligence officers and that money from the embassy charity fund may well have ended up with the two hijackers. Graham has said he believes both Basnan and Bayoumi were Saudi government “spies” who had been dispatched to southern California to keep watch on dissidents in the area’s relatively large community of Saudi expatriates.

The newly declassified files from the commission show that questions about Princess Haifa, her charity fund and the two hijackers were considered so serious that they were raised directly in an October 2003 meeting in Saudi Arabia between the commission’s investigators and the then-deputy Saudi foreign minister Nizar Madani. “Nizar expressed disbelief about the allegations regarding Princess Haifa, noting it was preposterous that she was involved in terrorism,” according to the commission’s summary of the meeting. The Saudi government has insisted that the princess, a daughter of the late King Faisal, had no reason to believe that the money would be used for anything other than to pay medical bills for Basnan’s wife, who suffered from thyroid problems, and to cover the family’s household expenses.

The report prepared after the interrogation of Bayoumi, who was paid a salary in San Diego by a Saudi aviation contractor but was unable to prove that he actually did any work for the company, documents his tense confrontation with the commission’s investigators during their visit to Saudi Arabia in October 2003, especially when he was presented with evidence of the “damning appearance of the circumstances surrounding” his ties to the two hijackers.

Bayoumi said he was innocent of any connection to terrorism and said “the description of him as a ‘Saudi spy’ hurt him very much”, the newly-released report said. He said it was coincidence that led him to an Arab-food restaurant in Los Angeles where he first met the two hijackers, who spoke almost no English, in January 2000. According to the report, “he professed his feelings for the victims of the 9/11 attacks, citing his daughter’s US citizenship and the many friends he has in the US”.

The commission’s newly declassified files suggest that the commission staff considered the questioning of Thumairy to be the most important of the interrogations conducted in Saudi Arabia, since the young Saudi was not only an accredited diplomat and an imam of a large Saudi government-built mosque in southern California. He had also been posted to the US at the request of the Saudi Ministry of Islamic Affairs, long considered by American intelligence agencies to be supportive of Islamic extremist groups outside Saudi Arabia. In Los Angeles, he was known among fellow Saudis to hold fundamentalist views on Islam.

At the first of two sessions “Thumairy initially sat at the table with his hands folded in front of him”, the interrogation report said. “Over the course of the interview, his posture changed noticeably when the questions became more confrontational. During such instances, al-Thumairy would cross his arms, sit back in his chair and rely more heavily on the interpreter.”

The questions became especially difficult for Thumairy as he kept insisting that he did not know many of the others Saudis in southern California who had been linked to the two hijackers, including Bayoumi, despite phone logs and other records showing he had been in contact with Bayoumi dozens of times. He was presented with a statement from a witness, another Saudi cleric in Los Angeles, who recalled often seeing Thumairy and Bayoumi meeting at the southern California mosque. Presented with the evidence, Thumairy became agitated. “Thumairy initially said he may have been mistaken for somebody else,” the interrogation report said. “He then said there are some people who may say things that are false out of mere spite or jealousy.”

Pressed on whether he had led conversations about “jihad” at the mosque among Saudi worshippers, Thumairy confirmed there were discussions “but that it was only about ‘good’ jihad, not ‘bad’ jihad. He said this discussion was not only necessary, but that it was his responsibility to teach the Islamic community the difference between good and bad jihad, especially after 9/11”.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...1-saudi-arabia-congressional-report-terrorism


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Newyork 9/11/2001: 8:46 (13:46 GMT) ~~14 GMT

Mecca 9/11/2015: 17:10 (14:10 GMT) ~~14 GMT

Just accident??????

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca_crane_collapse

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Sir Weak dollar is not favourable to world economy , EU cant stand as new currency "even UK is Leaving or paling to leave EU" Chines are trying to build there currency "look closely how much Gold They are buying " but that will still need a decade minimum .
US dollar is not linked with Bullion any more instead US dollar is linked with International demand for Dollar weather you do trading in oil,gold or any other thing .
 
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