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France, UK strengthen military relations — but future fighter jet cooperation ‘not yet there’

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France, UK strengthen military relations — but future fighter jet cooperation ‘not yet there’
By: Pierre Tran   14 minutes ago

Sept. 6 event with AJPAE,

PARIS — British and French defense ministers will meet twice a year rather than just once, reflecting a deepening of bilateral relations despite Britain’s impending exit from the European Union, said French Armed Forces Minister Florence Parly.

“We have with the United Kingdom very close and deep relations in defense,” she told Defense News at a Sept. 6 event with AJPAE, an aeronautics and space journalists association. “That was formalized with the Lancaster House Treaty and will not be be called into question by the decision that the United Kingdom has taken to leave the European Union.

“In defense, there is a shared determination to pursue and deepen this relationship.”

The more frequent ministerial meetings reflected that intent. “This cooperation is precious and necessary for the security of the European continent,” she added.

Britain has put at French disposal the much-needed Chinook heavy transport helicopter in the Sahel theater, reflecting a close operational cooperation and shared experience in overseas deployment, she noted.



Britain has asked for what started as a technology demonstrator for a combat UAV to refocus toward a study of “technology areas,” she said. That left the door open for the technology to be applied for large programs, such as the Franco-German Future Combat Air System, she added.

“The story is not yet written,” she said. “Perhaps in the next few years the British could be by our side on the FCAS project. But maybe I am just dreaming. We’re not there yet.”

The January meeting between French President Emmanuel Macron and British Prime Minister Theresa May, and their governments, also reflected close ties, particularly for the defense ministries, she said. That cross-channel summit closed without a pledge to build the demonstrator for a combat drone, disappointing French industry.


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By: Pierre Tran
France is the lead nation on the FCAS project, which aims to field a future fighter jet flying in a system of systems, linking up drones, tankers, future cruise missiles and swarms of drones.

The departure of Britain from the EU, known as Brexit, is due to take place in March.
 
We need to avoid further interaction with the French going into the future, especially to ensure we do not leak technology to France. You only have to look at the setup of the European FCAS project to see that it was designed as a "kill shot" against the UK defense manufacturing capability.
 
If the UK was to go into a co-development of a 6th generation fighter with France and Germany it must be made clear that it will never give away any Rolls-Royce engine tech. The UK is way ahead of the French in this area.
 
If the UK was to go into a co-development of a 6th generation fighter with France and Germany it must be made clear that it will never give away any Rolls-Royce engine tech. The UK is way ahead of the French in this area.

Yes. Far too often we give away our intellectual property for no return. To be honest, I prefer to not have any defense projects with those 2 countries. They take the new industrial capability for them selves, end up owning the IP and NEVER buy any systems to help average out the development and procurement costs. The EU make for poor defense partners!!!!
 
Yes. Far too often we give away our intellectual property for no return. To be honest, I prefer to not have any defense projects with those 2 countries. They take the new industrial capability for them selves, end up owning the IP and NEVER buy any systems to help average out the development and procurement costs. The EU make for poor defense partners!!!!

Yep, UK has proven that it can sell to ME, India and Australia.
UK Taxpayer should fork out the development costs upfront and then the money can be recouped by export sales later on.
 
Yep, UK has proven that it can sell to ME, India and Australia.
UK Taxpayer should fork out the development costs upfront and then the money can be recouped by export sales later on.

Precisely !!! The exclusion of BAe from FCAS with Dassault being in the lead, is a KILL SHOT against BAe and British Aerospace on general with Dassualt as the main author behind that kill shot. That is why Tempest is soo important, it will help keep alive our aerospace industry with vital skills, engineering and software development capabilities.
 
Precisely !!! The exclusion of BAe from FCAS with Dassault being in the lead, is a KILL SHOT against BAe and British Aerospace on general with Dassualt as the main author behind that kill shot. That is why Tempest is soo important, it will help keep alive our aerospace industry with vital skills, engineering and software development capabilities.

Whatever France and Germany comes up with will be no match against Tempest, as BAe has 5th gen tech by working on F-35 and no need to talk about what a class engine company that Rolls Royce is.
Airbus would be nothing without Rolls Royce engines as in A350 XWB.
 
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