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Four Pakistani soldiers killed in Kurram Agency attack.

We do not need your sympathy either. There are enough supporter of our martyrs in this country.

As for Indian soldiers killed in occupied Kashmir. Well the less said about them the better. :)



This guy is an open supporter of terrorism inside Pakistan. You will never see him reporting death of terrorists inside Pakistan. You won't see him either on Indian casualties in occupied Kashmir or Maoists region. Only a BS chutya forum like Defence.pk can allow such type of rats from Bharat to support terrorists openly.

Yes i agree and lot of new indian users have registered who are totally brainwashed by their leaders and media. And if you see the comments of these people man it truly boils the blood the way they talk about Pakistan and its Armed forces ... I wish i had a portal so that i could shoot from one end and hits them in their face from other side of portal...

I think mods are just trying to increase the traffic by allowing the indian users who just came from youtube or have recently watched some sensational masala news channel
 
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One needs to analyse what drives them to take up weapons. The naxal movement in India for example has been in the making for centuries given fuel by injustices towards the tribals and also set precedence with millions of deaths under Mao, stalin etc.

A rough guesstimate of terrorist numbers in pakistan and Afghanistan would be a 100 thousand..ttp the violent group would be numbering around 10 to 20 thousand including all their factions. Now what is it that drives these folks and how do they find so many recruits crazy enough to carry out deadly attacks.

The naxal can draw inspiration from the millions that Mao and Stalin killed. The Islamic terrorists I guess are ready to kill people in their millions if given the leeway and would have done so if the US hadn't Interfered.
Without putting too much pressure on the brains, just look back a decade or so earlier, no one in Pakistan had heard of the term, suicide bomber, the Taliban or the Mujahideen as they were then called, directed their campaign against regimes imposed in Kabul and against their foreign backers. All hell broke lose once the Americans gatecrashed into Afghanistan. !!! It's also worth noting that in the 80s, there was also a sustained bombing campaign against Pakistan, that was the period when General Zia and all the Western leaders and Middle Eastern Kings were on the same boat in supporting the erstwhile Mujahideens against Soviet occupation of Afganistan.
 
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I have seen that this guy only posts when our Armed Forces personnel embrace shahadat
Really? Some of you guys do the same thing too. In fact you go even further by calling the terrorists operating in Kashmir sent from across as 'Kashmir freedom fighters' and 'martyrs' even though they are Pakistanis like the LeT and JeM! The Indian soldiers are tagged with all sorts of names like butchers, murders etc who deserve to die! Sucks what?

Soldiers are soldiers and need to be respected when they're martyred wherever they be from.
 
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I have seen that this guy only posts when our Armed Forces personnel embrace shahadat ...... RIP brothers Now you are truly alive
Albeit there's a dedicated thread for Pakistan's war against terrorists but some Indians take heart in gloryfying every incident by creating a new thread, likewise a new thread could have been created on the incident of Indian policemen killed and wounded by Maoist yesterday however the news was just posted in the dedicated Maoist insurgency section.
 
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One needs to analyse what drives them to take up weapons. The naxal movement in India for example has been in the making for centuries given fuel by injustices towards the tribals and also set precedence with millions of deaths under Mao, stalin etc.

A rough guesstimate of terrorist numbers in pakistan and Afghanistan would be a 100 thousand..ttp the violent group would be numbering around 10 to 20 thousand including all their factions. Now what is it that drives these folks and how do they find so many recruits crazy enough to carry out deadly attacks.

The naxal can draw inspiration from the millions that Mao and Stalin killed. The Islamic terrorists I guess are ready to kill people in their millions if given the leeway and would have done so if the US hadn't Interfered.

It is a mistake to think of TTP as a religion driven organization. First of all it is not even an organization. It is an alliance of interests. Monetary and influence interests. Let's go back couple of decades in the same area...

It was known as 'Ilaqa Ghair'. There was no governance, no infrastructure, no real means of making an honest living. People here were not into fruit orchids or agriculture or trade. For one, they did not have opportunity and also they could make lot more money with other activities. What were the activities going on there? Kidnapping of Children from settled areas like Punjab and Sindh, moving them to forced labor camps in FATA or selling them. Kidnapping of girls and women and selling them there. Illegal arms trade and supplying them to rest of Pakistan. Drug trade and supply to rest of Pakistan. Harboring fugitives of law from rest of Pakistan. Looting and plundering of buses and cars on nearby roads. This was easy way of making lot of money.

But the break came when AQ was forced out of Afghanistan. In return for shelter they offered unprecedented amount of money, in US dollars. When our forces entered to chase fleeing AQ, it was a threat to their income. So why not announce Jihad to save your free money? Many groups sprung up in the name of Jihad but actually to establish their control over an area for economic plunder. But they needed a patron to make it sound like Soldiers of Allah.... Enter JUI (F) and JI. People of Pakistan, naive and sentimental as they are rallied. Brought JUI and JI government in KPK and blinded youth provided recruits. Their ranks swelled. Swat falls. And politicians and maliks along with political agents through which Pakistan exercised some sort of control over this area, flee, leaving area entirely to them. Different factions keep advancing till Peshawar is surrounded from three sides. RAW and Northern Alliance and then ANA with Khad had facilitated and provided critical guidance. It was a god sent opportunity to bring Pakistan on its knees. Now ask people of swat how Islamic were they? From forced rapes to extortion, taxes on every business to gay business. From foreign luxuries to large collections of pornography... This is what they did. It was always about lust for money, women, power and worldly luxuries. Hell most of them can't even tell how many divine Books Muslims believe in. In the interrogations, they can't tell basic beliefs of Islam. They were same criminals bonded together for more worldly pleasures in the name of Islam, carefully directed by our foreign enemies.

TTP is alliance of these groups each competing for more power, more money, more territory. Staying in the alliance but free to do plundering in its area of influence. They killed tribal elders, anyone that sides with government and refined their tactics. They have mullahs who endorse their acts with fatwas and get rewarded in return.

So basically it is more like criminal economy at work and they will try their best to keep it that way. The solution is to capture those territories, negative and destroy space for criminal economy and build an alternate economy. Resettle people with heavy military presence and allow them to grow into honest living. This Army can not do! Only civilian government can do. Unless you establish a functioning Government of Pakistan in that area, it is not going to happen. When army withdraws we will be back to square one. This needs courage, vision, money and consistency from GoP. I can not bet on that.

By the way, I hate to say this but it will take about decade to bring situation into this shape. Insurgencies are very long wars.
 
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It is a mistake to think of TTP as a religion driven organization. First of all it is not even an organization. It is an alliance of interests. Monetary and influence interests. Let's go back couple of decades in the same area...

It was known as 'Ilaqa Ghair'. There was no governance, no infrastructure, no real means of making an honest living. People here were not into fruit orchids or agriculture or trade. For one, they did not have opportunity and also they could make lot more money with other activities. What were the activities going on there? Kidnapping of Children from settled areas like Punjab and Sindh, moving them to forced labor camps in FATA or selling them. Kidnapping of girls and women and selling them there. Illegal arms trade and supplying them to rest of Pakistan. Drug trade and supply to rest of Pakistan. Harboring fugitives of law from rest of Pakistan. Looting and plundering of buses and cars on nearby roads. This was easy way of making lot of money.

But the break came when AQ was forced out of Afghanistan. In return for shelter they offered unprecedented amount of money, in US dollars. When our forces entered to chase fleeing AQ, it was a threat to their income. So why not announce Jihad to save your free money? Many groups sprung up in the name of Jihad but actually to establish their control over an area for economic plunder. But they needed a patron to make it sound like Soldiers of Allah.... Enter JUI (F) and JI. People of Pakistan, naive and sentimental as they are rallied. Brought JUI and JI government in KPK and blinded youth provided recruits. Their ranks swelled. Swat falls. And politicians and maliks along with political agents through which Pakistan exercised some sort of control over this area, flee, leaving area entirely to them. Different factions keep advancing till Peshawar is surrounded from three sides. RAW and Northern Alliance and then ANA with Khad had facilitated and provided critical guidance. It was a god sent opportunity to bring Pakistan on its knees. Now ask people of swat how Islamic were they? From forced rapes to extortion, taxes on every business to gay business. From foreign luxuries to large collections of pornography... This is what they did. It was always about lust for money, women, power and worldly luxuries. Hell most of them can't even tell how many divine Books Muslims believe in. In the interrogations, they can't tell basic beliefs of Islam. They were same criminals bonded together for more worldly pleasures in the name of Islam, carefully directed by our foreign enemies.

TTP is alliance of these groups each competing for more power, more money, more territory. Staying in the alliance but free to do plundering in its area of influence. They killed tribal elders, anyone that sides with government and refined their tactics. They have mullahs who endorse their acts with fatwas and get rewarded in return.

So basically it is more like criminal economy at work and they will try their best to keep it that way. The solution is to capture those territories, negative and destroy space for criminal economy and build an alternate economy. Resettle people with heavy military presence and allow them to grow into honest living. This Army can not do! Only civilian government can do. Unless you establish a functioning Government of Pakistan in that area, it is not going to happen. When army withdraws we will be back to square one. This needs courage, vision, money and consistency from GoP. I can not bet on that.

By the way, I hate to say this but it will take about decade to bring situation into this shape. Insurgencies are very long wars.

morality aside, I would still argue that it's driven by an ideology. It may have been about controlling land, fighting so called invaders - Russians and Americans and the local armies that supported them, but now it's purely driven by religious beliefs based on an ideology and based on the need to form the army of Allah in the historical region of khorasan. Hence the alliance with another religious army the ISIS. OBL to zawahiri preach about muslim land and muslim forces conquering the kafirs who have invaded muslim lands.One can argue surely that the religion does not preach violence and most are peaceful which is right. The main question though that needs to be answered is the driving force. There is a while narrative and a whole purpose for their armed activities, which one would call anti islam but they justify it with religious beliefs. A bandit or a smuggler force does not consist of thousands highly motivated and driven terrorists.

The reason I gave the example of naxal is that people say the same thing - bring economic development to the tribal and the naxal will give up their movement. But incidentally it's the naxal that oppose development and change. the naxal too indulge in all illegal activities for funding but they are driven by the commie ideology and are followers of Mao and Stalin and that is their basic thought process. They are criminals, rapists, killers, anti establishment etc etc but are driven by armed communism.

The idea that a few foreign agents can build up a whole infrastructure of mullahs, madrasseh, weapon supply, training camps, recruit thousands etc is ridiculous. Agreed, that there may be a few linkages, but driving the whole group or alliance is impossible.
 
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Really? Some of you guys do the same thing too. In fact you go even further by calling the terrorists operating in Kashmir sent from across as 'Kashmir freedom fighters' and 'martyrs' even though they are Pakistanis like the LeT and JeM! The Indian soldiers are tagged with all sorts of names like butchers, murders etc who deserve to die! Sucks what?

Soldiers are soldiers and need to be respected when they're martyred wherever they be from.

We call Kashmiris Freedom fighters because they are and when you people call BLA which is purely terrorist org a Freedom fighters then it gives us more reason to call Kashmir-is as a Freedom fighters. And for respect tell that to your Indian dot heads. Your soldiers are killing civilians in kashmir and there are countless videos to prove that go on youtube and see it before coming here and lecturing us.

And if you want proof about this about how sick your minds are then check posts of this duckhead AssualtRifle ....
 
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We call Kashmiris Freedom fighters because they are and when you people call BLA which is purely terrorist org a Freedom fighters then it gives us more reason to call Kashmir-is as a Freedom fighters.
One's freedom fighter is another's terrorist.

And for respect tell that to your Indian dot heads. Your soldiers are killing civilians in kashmir and there are countless videos to prove that go on youtube and see it before coming here and lecturing us.
Really? And you guys are not doing the same in Balochistan and NW? Your own Human Rights Organizations have said so. You guys ain't lily white. Not by a long shot. Check out You Tube. Oh wait....You tube is banned in Pakistan? Oh wow! That's democracy for you!

Don't pontificate as it makes you look dumb.
 
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We call Kashmiris Freedom fighters because they are and when you people call BLA which is purely terrorist org a Freedom fighters then it gives us more reason to call Kashmir-is as a Freedom fighters. And for respect tell that to your Indian dot heads. Your soldiers are killing civilians in kashmir and there are countless videos to prove that go on youtube and see it before coming here and lecturing us.

And if you want proof about this about how sick your minds are then check posts of this duckhead AssualtRifle ....

Mukti bahini are freedom fighter. But militants operating in a disputed territory are terrorists. Bharati logic.
 
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morality aside, I would still argue that it's driven by an ideology. It may have been about controlling land, fighting so called invaders - Russians and Americans and the local armies that supported them, but now it's purely driven by religious beliefs based on an ideology and based on the need to form the army of Allah in the historical region of khorasan. Hence the alliance with another religious army the ISIS. OBL to zawahiri preach about muslim land and muslim forces conquering the kafirs who have invaded muslim lands.One can argue surely that the religion does not preach violence and most are peaceful which is right. The main question though that needs to be answered is the driving force. There is a while narrative and a whole purpose for their armed activities, which one would call anti islam but they justify it with religious beliefs. A bandit or a smuggler force does not consist of thousands highly motivated and driven terrorists.

The reason I gave the example of naxal is that people say the same thing - bring economic development to the tribal and the naxal will give up their movement. But incidentally it's the naxal that oppose development and change. the naxal too indulge in all illegal activities for funding but they are driven by the commie ideology and are followers of Mao and Stalin and that is their basic thought process. They are criminals, rapists, killers, anti establishment etc etc but are driven by armed communism.

The idea that a few foreign agents can build up a whole infrastructure of mullahs, madrasseh, weapon supply, training camps, recruit thousands etc is ridiculous. Agreed, that there may be a few linkages, but driving the whole group or alliance is impossible.

Our forces often recover pornographic material from their hide outs. They keep boys for their gay pleasures. What religious motivation you are talking about?
 
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Our forces often recover pornographic material from their hide outs. They keep boys for their gay pleasures. What religious motivation you are talking about?
targeting youths is done on religious lines...ones they are in lines b/w right and wrong blurs pretty quick....happens everywhere....
 
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