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For Pakistan: War drums just got louder at Yemen-Saudi border

You know we will have our differences, we will even get angry at one another but we will never allow an outsider to badmouth our country.

He called us a British colony yet he forgets they been colony of British too, just because someone speaks Arabic becomes Arab?, Moroccans, Tunisians, Algerians are no Arabs they speak Arabic.

We have a proud history of warfare, we defeated Mongols, Greeks, Russians and the British, if they didn't need our expertise, they would never have called us. One good thing to come out of it is that our bilateral relations with KSA will be reset on their current ground. Our relations with them were built in the time of Shah Faisal, who was a man only matched by himself. Things have changed much since, and its time to make a calculated reset in relations.

Bhai jaan

Why are we picking fights that are totally off topic.

Please remain a good contributor that you always are.

Thank you

Tell me, you are not a religious zealot, then why do you want us to fight in Yemen so bad. What do you see in it for Pakistan?
 
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Agha jaan,

your post is loaded with innuendo and fallacies.

Not matching your stature as a mod.

Sorry to say.

If I go split your post bit by bit, but it is against the decorum of PDF to see a TTA taking on a mod.

Please update your thinking. Right now it is laced with sectarian $hite.

Thank you. and Khuda Hafiz



Please ignore.

he is a typical Afghanistani who himself was badmouthing Pakistan in another thread. He is here to pick up fights
and in the process have some virtual orgasm. Sorry to say.

If am an Afghan then you must be an Indian mate, don't talk Shyte I hAve every right to badmouth Pakistan if am not happy with its actions.

But see me in action when outsiders says a bad word against it.

I can't help you, you suffer from inferiority complex and you consider Yourself a south Asian Arab a descendant of qasim maybe.

Me I don't suffer from that, I was always eastern iranic /Turkic religion hasn't changed that.
 
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Agha jaan, please do me a favor and answer my post however you can, I'll have answers for you. These tactics to avoid the answer do not work agha jaane man.

Agha Jaan

As I said before

your post was a flame bait. As a rule, mod should be the last person doing the flaming, not the first.
 
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Farsi lies. Provide evidence of 4000 civilians being killed by KSA's air force. No such thing has happened. Most of the civilians have been killed by the Houthi terrorists themselves.

Also rest assured that Saudi Arabians and Yemenis are 1 people basically like all other Arabians and that Farsi's are the eternal enemies of every Arab. Your barking about Arab matters is as important as the barking of Congolese or Eskimos to us.

Tell your retarded coward fake wannabe Arab-Mullah's to open a direct front with the Arab world instead of using gullible Shia Arab fanatics for your games. But you don*t dare because you fear something even more embarrassing than Qadisiyyah which has been and always will be your national trauma.

I swaear to God that we would remove your country and people from the face of the planet if there was no international community in a battle face to face. Arabs against you Farsis. Let's see who will talk big.

Arab stronkkk. Quote me when you have something valuable and worthy to add.

Agha Jaan

As I said before

your post was a flame bait. As a rule, mod should be the last person doing the flaming, not the first.

No Agha jaan, it was the truth which sounded a little harsh for you.
 
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If am an Afghan then you must be an Indian mate, don't talk Shyte I hAve every right to badmouth Pakistan if am not happy with its actions.

But see me in action when outsiders says a bad word against it.

I can't help you, you suffer from inferiority complex and you consider a south Asian Arab a descendant of qasim maybe.

you clearly are a flame baiter and a $hit shovler based on so many posts I have seen just today.

Please carry on with the family business.

Thank you.

Tell me, you are not a religious zealot, then why do you want us to fight in Yemen so bad. What do you see in it for Pakistan?

Bhai jaan

you and I have been on this forum for long enough time to know this.

I see a natural and historic role of Pakistan in the region and immediate neighborhood.

Nothing more nothhn less.

Peace to you
 
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Remember this excellent article. :D

Let Saudi Arabia fume


PERVEZ HOODBHOY — PUBLISHED APR 25, 2015 04:41AM


The news is that the high and mighty heading the 200-million strong Islamic Republic of Pakistan have just returned from the world’s petro-capital, Riyadh.

The prime minister, chief of army staff, minister for defence, foreign secretary, and an assemblage of high officials went hoping that their contrite expressions could somehow soothe an irritated septuagenarian monarch and his angry princes. There is no indication of success.

They should not worry. Sending Pakistani troops to kill and be killed in an overseas civil war is wrong, and no quantity of free oil or bales of cash can make it right.

Read: PM holds talks with King Salman, meets Yemen President Hadi

Pakistanis have no desire to fight an enemy whose name (Houthis) they have heard now for the first time. Worn out by an internal Taliban insurgency that has claimed upwards of 50,000 lives, and wracked by a series of targeted assassinations and bombings of imambargahs, the country is in no mood for a potentially disastrous overseas adventure. Parliament’s decision to stay neutral accurately captures the public mood.

How far can Saudi anger go? We should not be too worried. Kicking out Pakistani workers is not an option for the kingdom and will not happen. Nationals of all Gulf countries are hopelessly poor in skill and work habits, and they are in no hurry to change. Without an adequate supply of hardworking and underpaid servants, every petro-country would grind to a halt.

A second reason also sharply limits the strength of Saudi reaction. Pakistan is the only country that can, at short notice, potentially provide the kingdom with nuclear weapons, or with a nuclear umbrella. Of course, Pakistan would be wise in not even considering such a possibility. But the fact is that there are no other nuclear vendors in town — and the Saudis know it.

For the very first time, to their great astonishment, GCC Arabs are seeing Pakistan reject their diktat.
Pakistan also stands squarely in the middle of all avenues that could lead to an eventual indigenous Saudi nuclear weapons capability, which the kingdom so strongly desires.

Also read: UAE minister warns Pakistan of ‘heavy price for ambiguous stand’ on Yemen

In March, it quietly signed an agreement with South Korea for importing two nuclear reactors. According to the World Nuclear Association, the kingdom plans to construct 16 nuclear power reactors over the next 20 years at a cost of more than $80 billion, with the first reactor on line in 2022.

So far it has not agreed to US demands, and insists (unlike the UAE) on having a full nuclear fuel cycle. This leaves open the possibility of reprocessing weapon-grade plutonium from nuclear wastes, which only Pakistanis can secretly help in doing.

For the very first time, to their great astonishment, GCC Arabs are seeing Pakistan reject their diktat. Floating on an ocean of oil, they are used to having their every wish instantly obeyed. The UAE minister of state for foreign affairs, Dr Anwar Mohammad Gargash, was seething with exasperation: Pakistan had dared to choose neutrality in an “existential confrontation” with Iran and would “pay the price”.

Pakistan’s ‘disobedience’ might have been more forgivable had it not come at this particular moment, when the Saudis are already in a state of fury over the action of their long-time ally, the United States. A preliminary Iran-US nuclear deal, which the kingdom has long feared and opposed, has already been signed. Although staunch anti-Iran and pro-Israel Republicans in the US Congress plan to strain every nerve to block it, President Obama will likely succeed in pushing through the final version at the end of June. The Saudi nightmare is that an Iran-US rapprochement will accept Iran as a threshold nuclear state, and end US-imposed sanctions. Iran would then appear as the victor, giving a big blow to the Saudi-led coalition (of Sunni-majority states), of which Israel is an honorary member.

In its attempt to rally Sunni support, the kingdom wants the Yemen war to be seen as a doctrinal tussle. But at stake is the long-term survival of the House of Saud. Iran is an insurrectionary, revolutionary power while Saudi Arabia wants the status quo. Iran’s mullahs openly call for the overthrow of all monarchies. In their political model the clergy holds the reins of power, with some space allocated for the expression of popular opinion. But any political freedom, no matter how small, is anathema to the kingdom. It is deeply alarmed that Iran’s support for the Palestinians, and its staunch opposition to US-led wars in the Middle East, has resonated with Arab public opinion.

Arab anger at Pakistan is partly understandable. Nawaz Sharif and his government had given the Arabs an impression that this nation stands at their beck and call. So, on the one hand, they pampered the egos of Saudi despots and gratefully accepted their favors, including the mysterious ‘gift’ of $1.5bn in March, 2014. Was there to be no quid pro quo? Then, various leaders raised Arab expectations further with loud declarations promising to “shed every drop of our blood” for the defence of Haramain Sharifain when, in fact, no Muslim holy site was ever threatened. But, when it came to putting boots on the ground in what would be a long-drawn bloody civil war, they chickened out.

Pakistan should take no sides in an external power game between Muslim states. Instead, we need to be deeply concerned with Saudi Arabia deliberately fomenting extremism within Pakistan, leading to horrific consequences. The loud support it has received from the officially banned violent sectarian-militant group, the Sipah-i-Sahaba, now rechristened as Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat, stands testimony. Long the recipient of Saudi benevolence, ASWJ has blasted parliament’s decision and staged public rallies urging Pakistan’s intervention in Yemen. The International Islamic University in Islamabad, with a frankly sectarian agenda, is another Saudi bastion, headed by a Saudi national who, amazingly, can speak no English or Urdu. Across the country, madressahs and mullahs receive Saudi funding and spread sectarian poisons.

Pakistan must stand firm behind its parliament’s decision. Let the Saudis fume. We must not fight their war. They cannot afford to retaliate too harshly. But even if they do inflict some pain on Pakistan, it will be limited and we will emerge stronger at the end.

The writer teaches physics in Lahore and Islamabad.

Published in Dawn, April 25th, 2015

Whatever Middle East crisis, weak-minded Arabs people tended to talk about old prides, poor inventions, past victory/losses, and old history to make them feel good instead discussing problems, they have basically no concepts of advanced technology, sciences, and high intelligences level today.

Only they care is when their Arabs brothers and sisters in neighbours were killed, they are celebrated like crazy retarded, i.e Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Palestinian, Bahrain, Egypt, soon probably Oman, UAE, Qatar and entire black Africans!

Please look around many civil wars in Middle East which will reduced to 200 million weak population from 450 million Arabs if civil wars not solved, we don't know how long.

It is depend on Allah's plans if many Arab cowards doesn't respect Islam and follow it clearly to respect neighbours. Allah(Subhana Wa Ta'ala) knows clearly Arabs people today are indirectly destroying Islam and many diseases what they have done. Holy Qur'an explained repeatedly many times, Arabs ignored or twisted it for pleasures.

Pakistan can only observe and either deploy drone or Tu-95 plane to monitor them, remember Arabs are happily giving special status to India and support their Made in India programs and no complain to Egypt and Oman for military supports.
 
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No Agha jaan, it was the truth which sounded a little harsh for you.

I know enough about iranian culture and language to know when it is being used as proper communication vs. $hit shovling.

Sadly you lowered your standard as a mod.
 
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Arab stronkkk. Quote me when you have something valuable and worthy to add.



No Agha jaan, it was the truth which sounded a little harsh for you.

You Farsis are cowards and shameful. Living up to your historical legacy in other words and reputation. Your hideous fake wannabe Arab Mullah regime is supporting Al-Assad who has killed over 200.000 civilian Syrians and here you complain about KSA dealing with a terrorist group who illegally sized the power in Yemen and who are a threat to KSA and whom you have supported with weapons as cowards for years which the report in the UN has already confirmed.

Why don't you Farsi cowards engage in a direct battle against us Arabs and in particular the 350 million or so Sunni Arabs? What are you fighting for? Is all that you can do cheer for Shia Arabs and take their "victories" as yours? What a joke.

Meanwhile your people are doing what they do in the Arab world. No comment.

Still not a single proof of KSA's air force having killed 4000 civilians and all the other unfounded nonsense.:lol:
 
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Bhai jaan

Why are we picking fights that are totally off topic.

Please remain a good contributor that you always are.

Thank you
Bhai jaan I can't sit idle when some random arabi tries to insult my brother.. I don't know about others but my father taught me patriotism .. To sacrifice yourself for your country or brothers is an honour for me.. I'm not an indian who would take shit and wobble his head in return.
 
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Remember this excellent article. :D

Let Saudi Arabia fume


PERVEZ HOODBHOY — PUBLISHED APR 25, 2015 04:41AM


The news is that the high and mighty heading the 200-million strong Islamic Republic of Pakistan have just returned from the world’s petro-capital, Riyadh.

The prime minister, chief of army staff, minister for defence, foreign secretary, and an assemblage of high officials went hoping that their contrite expressions could somehow soothe an irritated septuagenarian monarch and his angry princes. There is no indication of success.

They should not worry. Sending Pakistani troops to kill and be killed in an overseas civil war is wrong, and no quantity of free oil or bales of cash can make it right.

Read: PM holds talks with King Salman, meets Yemen President Hadi

Pakistanis have no desire to fight an enemy whose name (Houthis) they have heard now for the first time. Worn out by an internal Taliban insurgency that has claimed upwards of 50,000 lives, and wracked by a series of targeted assassinations and bombings of imambargahs, the country is in no mood for a potentially disastrous overseas adventure. Parliament’s decision to stay neutral accurately captures the public mood.

How far can Saudi anger go? We should not be too worried. Kicking out Pakistani workers is not an option for the kingdom and will not happen. Nationals of all Gulf countries are hopelessly poor in skill and work habits, and they are in no hurry to change. Without an adequate supply of hardworking and underpaid servants, every petro-country would grind to a halt.

A second reason also sharply limits the strength of Saudi reaction. Pakistan is the only country that can, at short notice, potentially provide the kingdom with nuclear weapons, or with a nuclear umbrella. Of course, Pakistan would be wise in not even considering such a possibility. But the fact is that there are no other nuclear vendors in town — and the Saudis know it.

For the very first time, to their great astonishment, GCC Arabs are seeing Pakistan reject their diktat.
Pakistan also stands squarely in the middle of all avenues that could lead to an eventual indigenous Saudi nuclear weapons capability, which the kingdom so strongly desires.

Also read: UAE minister warns Pakistan of ‘heavy price for ambiguous stand’ on Yemen

In March, it quietly signed an agreement with South Korea for importing two nuclear reactors. According to the World Nuclear Association, the kingdom plans to construct 16 nuclear power reactors over the next 20 years at a cost of more than $80 billion, with the first reactor on line in 2022.

So far it has not agreed to US demands, and insists (unlike the UAE) on having a full nuclear fuel cycle. This leaves open the possibility of reprocessing weapon-grade plutonium from nuclear wastes, which only Pakistanis can secretly help in doing.

For the very first time, to their great astonishment, GCC Arabs are seeing Pakistan reject their diktat. Floating on an ocean of oil, they are used to having their every wish instantly obeyed. The UAE minister of state for foreign affairs, Dr Anwar Mohammad Gargash, was seething with exasperation: Pakistan had dared to choose neutrality in an “existential confrontation” with Iran and would “pay the price”.

Pakistan’s ‘disobedience’ might have been more forgivable had it not come at this particular moment, when the Saudis are already in a state of fury over the action of their long-time ally, the United States. A preliminary Iran-US nuclear deal, which the kingdom has long feared and opposed, has already been signed. Although staunch anti-Iran and pro-Israel Republicans in the US Congress plan to strain every nerve to block it, President Obama will likely succeed in pushing through the final version at the end of June. The Saudi nightmare is that an Iran-US rapprochement will accept Iran as a threshold nuclear state, and end US-imposed sanctions. Iran would then appear as the victor, giving a big blow to the Saudi-led coalition (of Sunni-majority states), of which Israel is an honorary member.

In its attempt to rally Sunni support, the kingdom wants the Yemen war to be seen as a doctrinal tussle. But at stake is the long-term survival of the House of Saud. Iran is an insurrectionary, revolutionary power while Saudi Arabia wants the status quo. Iran’s mullahs openly call for the overthrow of all monarchies. In their political model the clergy holds the reins of power, with some space allocated for the expression of popular opinion. But any political freedom, no matter how small, is anathema to the kingdom. It is deeply alarmed that Iran’s support for the Palestinians, and its staunch opposition to US-led wars in the Middle East, has resonated with Arab public opinion.

Arab anger at Pakistan is partly understandable. Nawaz Sharif and his government had given the Arabs an impression that this nation stands at their beck and call. So, on the one hand, they pampered the egos of Saudi despots and gratefully accepted their favors, including the mysterious ‘gift’ of $1.5bn in March, 2014. Was there to be no quid pro quo? Then, various leaders raised Arab expectations further with loud declarations promising to “shed every drop of our blood” for the defence of Haramain Sharifain when, in fact, no Muslim holy site was ever threatened. But, when it came to putting boots on the ground in what would be a long-drawn bloody civil war, they chickened out.

Pakistan should take no sides in an external power game between Muslim states. Instead, we need to be deeply concerned with Saudi Arabia deliberately fomenting extremism within Pakistan, leading to horrific consequences. The loud support it has received from the officially banned violent sectarian-militant group, the Sipah-i-Sahaba, now rechristened as Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat, stands testimony. Long the recipient of Saudi benevolence, ASWJ has blasted parliament’s decision and staged public rallies urging Pakistan’s intervention in Yemen. The International Islamic University in Islamabad, with a frankly sectarian agenda, is another Saudi bastion, headed by a Saudi national who, amazingly, can speak no English or Urdu. Across the country, madressahs and mullahs receive Saudi funding and spread sectarian poisons.

Pakistan must stand firm behind its parliament’s decision. Let the Saudis fume. We must not fight their war. They cannot afford to retaliate too harshly. But even if they do inflict some pain on Pakistan, it will be limited and we will emerge stronger at the end.

The writer teaches physics in Lahore and Islamabad.

Published in Dawn, April 25th, 2015

Whatever Middle East crisis, weak-minded Arabs people tended to talk about old prides, poor inventions, past victory/losses, and old history to make them feel good instead discussing problems, they have basically no concepts of advanced technology, sciences, and high intelligences level today.

Only they care is when their Arabs brothers and sisters in neighbours were killed, they are celebrated like crazy retarded, i.e Syria, Yemen, Iraq, Palestinian, Bahrain, Egypt, soon probably Oman, UAE, Qatar and entire black Africans!

Please look around many civil wars in Middle East which will reduced to 200 million weak population from 450 million Arabs if civil wars not solved, we don't know how long.

It is depend on Allah's plans if many Arab cowards doesn't respect Islam and follow it clearly to respect neighbours. Allah(Subhana Wa Ta'ala) knows clearly Arabs people today are indirectly destroying Islam and many diseases what they have done. Holy Qur'an explained repeatedly many times, Arabs ignored or twisted it for pleasures.

Pakistan can only observe and either deploy drone or Tu-95 plane to monitor them, remember Arabs are happily giving special status to India and support their Made in India programs and no complain to Egypt and Oman for military supports.



I respect Hoodbhai

inthis he goofed up though.

What he wrote is something a common street vendor is saying.

I expected better of him.

What the fork is this "let Saudi Arabia fume".

This is way below the stature of a person like PH.
 
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Pakistan has already said that we will step-in if Saudi integrity is threatened.
I guess the honorable thing to do would be to stick to our promise.

what does it mean though, its a confusing statement. does it mean if houttis attack Saudia if so then they are now doing it. But if it means that Pakistan will only step in if someone tries to disintegrate Sadia then maybe we can wait few more years. May its time for yet another resolution which says we will only help if intruders are 50 miles from holy places.
 
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You Farsis are cowards and shameful. Living up to your historical legacy in other words and reputation. Your hideous fake wannabe Arab Mullah regime is supporting Al-Assad who has killed over 200.000 civilian Syrians and here you complain about KSA dealing with a terrorist group who illegally sized the power in Yemen and who are a threat to KSA and whom you have supported with weapons as cowards for years which the report in the UN has already confirmed.

Why don't you Farsi cowards engage in a direct battle against us Arabs and in particular the 350 million or so Sunni Arabs? What are you fighting for? Is all that you can do cheer for Shia Arabs and take their "victories" as yours? What a joke.

Meanwhile your people are doing what they do in the Arab world. No comment.

Still not a single proof of KSA's air force having killed 4000 civilians and all the other unfounded nonsense.:lol:

Brother "Saif"

he is a mod and yet threw around flame bait. Please do not become involved in flame baiits.

Thank you
 
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@FaujHistorian - I disagree. Only situation we should fight for KSA is if their territorial integrity is under threat. The war they are fighting is a preventative war for their geopolitical gains. The role of Pakistan in this conflict is to remain in the support roles and expertise to end the war as soon as possible followed by a diplomatic drive to solve outstanding issues.
 
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Bhai jaan I can't sit idle when some random arabi tries to insult my brother.. I don't know about others but my father taught me patriotism .. To sacrifice yourself for your country or brothers is an honour for me.. I'm not an indian who would take shit and wobble his head in return.

Obviously there are better ways.

That's whaat is expected from a good poster like you.
 
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There is. Just mind your own business, we only fight if they face a credible military threat. We already got too much on our own plate.

I never said we don't have our plate full.

We can not just mind our own business; trade , economics and existence in general is a global phenomenon.
That is why countries hav
 
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