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For China the end of the Communist party is nigh — but in name only

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China’s economic troubles and increasingly rigid ideological controls have led prominent China watchers to forecast the crack-up of its political system. I share the view that the Chinese Communist party may soon be extinct — but the extinction will be in name only.

In fact, the CCP is neither communist nor a party. Few Chinese believe it will abolish the market economy and lead the march to higher communism. It is “Leninist” in the sense that it is vertically organised and rules supreme over the state apparatus but it lacks other vital features, such as the idea that class conflict is the motor of history, a commitment to the idea of communism at home, and support for revolutionary overthrow of capitalist regimes abroad.

And the days of Leninist-style political mobilisation are long gone because the party must be sensitive to public opinion. The CCP can mobilise around causes such as its anti-corruption drive if there is already social demand; but no longer around hare-brained schemes such as the Great Leap Forward, which radically conflict with what people want and what most scholars see as sensible.

Nor is the CCP a political party. In the past three decades, it has (re-)established a meritocratic system similar to that of imperial China: government officials are selected using exams, then promoted based on performance on lower rungs. With 86m members, the CCP is a pluralistic organisation that co-opts leaders of different sectors of society, including keen capitalists, and it aims to represent the whole country.

It is puzzling that the CCP should cling to its name given widespread antipathy in China to communism. Even party members distrust Marxism, and most students dread their compulsory Marxism classes. The very idea of a party that represents part of the population also has negative overtones. Confucius criticised quarrelsome people who associate along party lines, and surveys in China show a preference for “guardianship discourse” with elites responsible for the good of the whole society.

So why does the CCP stick with the name? It makes sense to change it to something — say, the Chinese Meritocratic Union — that better corresponds with the reality of the organisation, as well as to what it aspires to be.

In informal political talk in Beijing, there is often agreement that the name should be changed. It is also recognised that it cannot be changed now because the organisation still draws on CCP history for its ideological legitimacy.

Yet the past 30 years have on balance been positive; and furthermore the CCP is increasingly looking to the long run of Chinese history for ideological legitimacy. The more it identifies with pre-revolutionary history, the more it can distance itself from the recent past.

Most important is to improve political meritocracy. The CCP does not need a unifying ideology, so long as people agree that the political system does a good job of selecting public officials with superior qualities. The pressing problem of corruption casts doubt on the question of virtue. So the anti-corruption campaign is essential to buttressing the legitimacy of the CCP, though we will not see results for a few years.

Another reason the name cannot be changed now owes more to Confucianism than to communism. Revolutionary heroes who fought to establish a great nation are still attached to the name. Filial piety is a core value in China, and dutiful sons and daughters should not upset the elderly — especially those who sacrificed for the country. Sometimes harmony matters more than truth.

In a couple of decades, however, the generation of revolutionary heroes will have sadly left this world. At that point, there will be less reason to stick to an obsolete name that needlessly casts the ruling organisation in a negative light.

So here is my prediction. In 2035, the CCP will still be in power but it will not be called the CCP.
 
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I think it's better with changes subtantial and maintaining the name CCP.
 
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Daniel Bell is just one of those foreigners who only deals with the anglophone circle of Chinese social science and business elites. He does not know what the people want and he doesn't deal with real science. Remember - all social science is political. There is no social science that is not political because by definition, social science studies humans, and politics is the science of controlling other humans.

He is just a political partisan pushing his agenda.

See, what I noticed about the westerners is that they think that 1.) the Chinese system is like that, or should emulate, that of Singapore's and 2.) this is desireable, good, and what Chinese do better than the west.

I totally disagree. The various directorates, bureaucratic offices and underground deep states of the West (this time including former USSR) are incredibly powerful, wield great institutional strength, and are a source of institutional memory. There's too many ad-hoc, short lived government offices in China today, tied to "efficiency" and "meritocracy" but in reality, are not nearly as good for national power as a whole, as are the long lived directorates and bureaucracies of the West. They are unable to command loyalty to specific people and institutions, only an idea. Here's the other part of his agenda - you get rid of this idea, and then where is the loyalty to?

For an example of the horrid weakness of the "meritocratic Chinese system":

Lee Kuan Yew stayed on for years as a "Minister Mentor", a position created for him alone and abolished when he died, acting as regent for his son in a way no different than an emperor or king!

How the fk is this even happening in the modern day?? You think that Singapore can remain stable if the Lee family is desposed? Heh, what do you think is gonna happen to North Korea is the Kim family is desposed? I thought so.

Meritocracy, or how it is practiced in reality, is nothing more than the tyranny of aristocrats. In the long run it leads to reduced social mobility and the stagnation of social classes. Then the dynastic cycle begins. I am hoping that the PRC is the first government in Chinese history to break this cycle but if it goes down this dark path, then there is no hope anymore.

How is that different from the tyranny of cruel warlords or hereditary kings? It is still tyranny.
 
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See, what I noticed about the westerners is that they think that 1.) the Chinese system is like that, or should emulate, that of Singapore's and 2.) this is desireable, good, and what Chinese do better than the west.

They say that, because they see Singapore as inherently less threatening to their Western sensibilities.

But frankly it won't make a difference. They will be scared of China anyway, and there is nothing to be done about that.

Even if China becomes a "liberal democracy" (or a giant Singapore) then they will find other reasons to be afraid, just like they are still afraid of Russia even though they changed their political system.

The only way they will stop being afraid is if China becomes a vassal state to them, like we would have if the KMT were still ruling.

But the ship has sailed on that front. Now all they can do is pray, and hope that we fail on our own.
 
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The author has a few points, but overall, it shows that he has limited understanding on most aspects of China. I wouldn't waste my time here explain----for the dozens of times---the exact nature of the second five year plan (the one called by great leap forward) and its success, fail and lessons learned. It is too late into the night for that. Nor would I bother author's belief Marxist is driven by class conflict, if he can't differentiate resultant phenomenon with root cause, then he really should take some actual class on the subject first.

Speaking of class, the actual reason students dislike class on Marxism political science isn't any sort of ideological belief. The simple fact is when taught by the average teacher, that class is a rather boring class with a high workload consists of a lot of memorization. Not a winning combination of attracting students. Though I have heard there are good teachers that can make the course interesting.

And I believe in 2025, CCP's name would be still be same. The reason is that a name is not just descriptive title. A name is an integral part of an individual, organization, society or even nation's identity, especially for organization like CCP which led China from its most difficult years to a prosperous future. The name itself is the reminder of the history which lead us to the present. To forsake it would have been denying our history and identity. I don't get why on earth would the author even suggest this. Did US change its name when Hawaii joined the country? Of course not.
 
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If all Government employees are selected on Merit rather than through corruption and unlike North Korea, no single family holds sway over CCP,
and if their are further reforms that make selection of Chinese leaders more transparent.

Then I don't think the west would have anything to say.

If China wants,
They can change the name of CCP to Federal Administration of China, the FAC

Is your definition of being "mature enough to be a democratic nation" = India being created by the British with no say in how your government was formed?

Or using what they gave you, in order to elect a mass murderer like Modi? :P

Modi was elected due to his performance in Gujarat, and Also because the 950 Million Hindus of India were angry at Congress pandering to the 200 million Muslims.

As far as I know, even Han Chinese don't like their Muslim minority,
 
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China requires a strong Central unit to be governed. They are not mature enough to be a democratic nation - they have always been ruled. You can't expect them to embrace a difficult system like democracy - they are too simple for that.

I lived in both US and Canada. I have seen news in other countries with various forms of elective government. I can honest say that it is BS to believe that the majority (or in some case, slightly bigger group) opinion of the mass can determine the best outcome for complex endeavors such as selecting the leadership of a nation.
 
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The author has a few points, but overall, it shows that he has limited understanding on most aspects of China. I wouldn't waste my time here explain----for the dozens of times---the exact nature of the second five year plan (the one called by great leap forward) and its success, fail and lessons learned. It is too late into the night for that. Nor would I bother author's belief Marxist is driven by class conflict, if he can't differentiate resultant phenomenon with root cause, then he really should take some actual class on the subject first.

Speaking of class, the actual reason students dislike class on Marxism political science isn't any sort of ideological belief. The simple fact is when taught by the average teacher, that class is a rather boring class with a high workload consists of a lot of memorization. Not a winning combination of attracting students. Though I have heard there are good teachers that can make the course interesting.

And I believe in 2025, CCP's name would be still be same. The reason is that a name is not just descriptive title. A name is an integral part of an individual, organization, society or even nation's identity, especially for organization like CCP which led China from its most difficult years to a prosperous future. The name itself is the reminder of the history which lead us to the present. To forsake it would have been denying our history and identity. I don't get why on earth would the author even suggest this. Did US change its name when Hawaii joined the country? Of course not.

they will say that students hate math not because of it being inherently difficult to understand, but because the students are free thinkers who refused to be constrained by the laws of mathematics.

Holy shit you wonder where the cultural revolution actually took place.
 
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And I believe in 2025, CCP's name would be still be same. The reason is that a name is not just descriptive title. A name is an integral part of an individual, organization, society or even nation's identity, especially for organization like CCP which led China from its most difficult years to a prosperous future. The name itself is the reminder of the history which lead us to the present. To forsake it would have been denying our history and identity. I don't get why on earth would the author even suggest this. Did US change its name when Hawaii joined the country? Of course not.
That is a terrible rebut. :lol:

A flag is a symbol and a name (or label) is no less so. The complete name is 'United States of America' with emphasis on 'United States'. It implies there are discrete components inside this union that have high identity and autonomy but all are together under one authority. The flag to alert observers contains stars to represent the current status and stripes to represent the union's historical foundation. The individual states do not change the name of the union.

So if the name is 'Chinese Communist Party', it means the organization is Chinese, of course, and have Marxism as its foundation. Observers will note the contradiction between actual practice versus philosophical foundation. The reality is that China is more than the CCP just like the USA as a whole is greater than any of its individual states. If the CCP change its name, it will not make today's China any different. The fear here is a change of name would be a public admission that China's experience with communism was a failure, a wrong choice for the Chinese people, and verily an open door to alternative political possibilities.
 
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That is a terrible rebut. :lol:

A flag is a symbol and a name (or label) is no less so. The complete name is 'United States of America' with emphasis on 'United States'. It implies there are discrete components inside this union that have high identity and autonomy but all are together under one authority. The flag to alert observers contains stars to represent the current status and stripes to represent the union's historical foundation. The individual states do not change the name of the union.

So if the name is 'Chinese Communist Party', it means the organization is Chinese, of course, and have Marxism as its foundation. Observers will note the contradiction between actual practice versus philosophical foundation. The reality is that China is more than the CCP just like the USA as a whole is greater than any of its individual states. If the CCP change its name, it will not make today's China any different. The fear here is a change of name would be a public admission that China's experience with communism was a failure, a wrong choice for the Chinese people, and verily an open door to alternative political possibilities.

Change the Democratic Party to Demagogue Party and Republican Party to Robber Party - after all, just a change of name right? Otherwise ppl will start noting the contradiction between practice and theory.
 
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I lived in both US and Canada. I have seen news in other countries with various forms of elective government. I can honest say that it is BS to believe that the majority (or in some case, slightly bigger group) opinion of the mass can determine the best outcome for complex endeavors such as selecting the leadership of a nation.

In democratic system of government, the elected leaders are those who can talk and not necessarily who can manage the country well.
 
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In democratic system of government, the elected leaders are those who can talk and not necessarily who can manage the country well.
For Australia, charismatic leaders are OK, but not for developing countries.
 
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Change the Democratic Party to Demagogue Party and Republican Party to Robber Party - after all, just a change of name right? Otherwise ppl will start noting the contradiction between practice and theory.
Sure, if the party members believe the changes are appropriate. :lol:

That was a lame attempt to distract from the reality that the CCP is more of the contradiction between party philosophy and practice than anything you can try to make of American politics.
 
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