First Sino-American War will Inflict Catastrophic Losses on China, says Rand Report

[T-123456]

There is no possibility of a Chinese victory in this war.

''There is no possibility of victory for any side'',should be the correct statement.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

The problem is, how do China bring the war to Mainland US?

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Good question, my answer is Space, if China dispatch nukes and disguised as Satellite , imagine if all massive destruction weapon are just about American's head ...how you like this? .

US try so hard to acquire oversea base at China vicinity but deploy nuke to space we don't need to depend on any one and also will be the short and effective way to deal with mainland US

with the combination of cyber and other attack, we can collapse US social and economy, and you will witness the unrest and Chaos in US.

 

[jhungary]

Bring war to mainland USA? Easy... Plus, it cannot be intercepted.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...-successfully-tests-hypersonic-weapon-system/

You do know that will trigger a thermo-nuclear respond by the American, right? Will China be that stupid to do a MAD just because of a limited war?

Good question, my answer is Space, if China dispatch nukes and disguised as Satellite , imagine if all massive destruction weapon are just about American's head ...how you like this? .

US try so hard to acquire oversea base at China vicinity but deploy nuke to space we don't need to depend on any one and also will be the short and effective way to deal with mainland US

with the combination of cyber and other attack, we can collapse US social and economy, and you will witness the unrest and Chaos in US.

First of all, I don't know what is with you guys and nuke........China have nuke, US have nuke too, again, will Chinese dumb enough to start a MAD just because of a limited war in Chinese Border? Yes, you may kill a lot of American with nuke, but a lot more (by definition, because there is a lot more Chinese than American) Chinese will die too.

Beside, nuke in space concept is not new, US have pondered it in the 1980s with Star War program, you don't even know if US put nuke in their satellite. Don't pretend China is miles ahead on Space Technology, it is the other way around.

And also, you have overestimate the scale of cyber warfare, you do know all essential government and financial data are store on offsite location cannot be accessed by internet. The Federal Reserve data are stored on at least 3 separate standalone, self contain servers which does not have internet access, which in theory, you can only do any damage when you physical (Not remotely) hack all 3 server at the same time. Again, don't forget the US control the internet by controlling IPs, DNS, and DHCP, US can just cut off Chinese access to internet by asking IANA to block all the IP in and out of China if push comes to shove, how are you going to launch a cyber warfare without internet access?

 

[Beast]

You do know that will trigger a thermo-nuclear respond by the American, right? Will China be that stupid to do a MAD just because of a limited war?

Yes she will. China respond to US striking mainland will be using HSV to strike important US mainland infrastructure for retaliation. And China declared no first used nuclear policy. It will be up to US to rise to nuclear level if she deemed China used nuclear strike HSV on US. Will US be MAD just to strike mainland China for a limited war? I find it amusing you think China can't do anything while let US attack China mainland. Why not you claim US can fought all the way to Beijing and capture it? You think China thermo nuclear is fake?

 

[Lure]

The First Sino-American War will see U.S. aircraft and missiles strike the Chinese mainland while China will be unable to attack the continental United States because it lacks the long-range strategic weapons such as aircraft carriers and long-range supersonic bombers to do so. China can only use cyber warfare against the American homeland.

That scenario depends on a lot of variables. First of all, how far Europe and Russia will go for supporting their allies US and China respectively? Depending on this variable this conflict can evolve into WW3 pretty quick. If so, then there would be more attacks expected to mainland USA. Unlike what the report says such a scenario could easily trigger usage of nuclear weapons on both sides.

"As of 2015, U.S. losses of surface naval and air forces, including disabled aircraft carriers and regional air bases, could be significant, but Chinese losses, including to homeland-based A2AD systems, would be much greater. Within days, it would be apparent to both sides that the early gap in losses favoring the United States would widen if fighting continued."

Assuming that the conflict will stay as a Sino-American one, then both sides would be extremely cautious while making strikes on mainlands. Because heavy bombing of mainland, even if they are military targets, would sure provoke enough rage to use nuclear weapons. That's why unlike this report I think in such a conflict mainland targets wouldn't be bombed heavily and the conflict would strictly stay in the sea and artificial islands at most.

"By 2025, however, inconclusive results in early fighting could motivate both sides to fight on despite heavy losses incurred and still expected. Although prospects for U.S. military victory then would be worse than they are today, this would not necessarily imply Chinese victory."

I don't think there will be a Sino-US military confrontation today or in 2025. If it happens, it wouldn't be before 2040 when Chinese position in economic value addition chain is in a comparable position with US and their business elites and companies would be in a stiff competition. Today their companies are making business deals with eachother. Not competing. No matter how much military knuckle heads want war, bourgeoisie is the class that actually pulls the trigger.

If there is a conflict erupts prematurely, it would contain a CIA operation. US public opinion can't be convinced for a war against China, just because of a few artificial islands. In a potential conflict China should attack US targets first. Chinese policy makers are not crazy. However US could provoke China for a military expedition against Taiwan or the Philippines or even Japan. US could involve itself into this conflict as an aid to China's adversary. In such a scenario a conflict could easily be created. China can "accidentally" sink a US military vessel that brings aid and everything becomes ready for a war.

That's why I always say Chinese foreign ministers should avoid any provokation for war. Because they should know that if US wants war, they are damn sure they are going to win. Otherwise they avoid such things.

 

[jhungary]

Any idiot can see China limitation in the invasion of the US mainland in the present or the future because of US advantage in geopolitical and protected by the US mainland location on the planet. As I said US smart to surround China with US troop in Asia de factor of China declared a world war 3 if China fight a war with the US, all the Asian country will be destroy but US mainland won't be touch. In the scenerio of a war with the US, China best chance to escalate a all out nuclear war to ensure MAD on the whole world, no sane Chinese leader will allow US destroy China in a conventional war without China escalate a war into a nuclear.

I seriously don't understand what's with the Chinese and their nuke.

Nuke is THE last ditch method, you don't use them until your country is about to fall, because once you used them, there are only one thing for sure, your country will be history, you may take down some other country with you but you yourself will be history.

A limited war will not bring the downfall of China, heck, China may even win this limited war. But the thing is, even if Chinese lose, will that be the end and warrant a thermonuclear strike? That come down to one question. Would you want to accept defeat and rebuild some city, or, you don't want to accept defeat and rebuild the whole country with a lot less resource?

No sane mind will choose the latter. OR you are telling me the leadership in China is insane...

Yes she will. China respond to US striking mainland will be using HSV to strike important US mainland infrastructure for retaliation. And China declared no first used nuclear policy. It will be up to US to rise to nuclear level if she deemed China used nuclear strike HSV on US. Will US be MAD just to strike mainland China for a limited war? I find it amusing you think China can't do anything while let US attack China mainland. Why not you claim US can fought all the way to Beijing and capture it? You think China thermo nuclear is fake?

Do you think US thermonuclear weapon is a fake too?

You don't understand the concept of mutual assured destruction, China won't just destroy US, US and its allies will destroy China too, again, quoting what I just wrote a few minute ago

That come down to one question. Would you want to accept defeat and rebuild some city, or, you don't want to accept defeat and rebuild the whole country with a lot less resource?

You are telling me Chinese leadership are crazy and stupid, and they would rather choose to end it all instead of accepting a minor defeat?

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

You do know that will trigger a thermo-nuclear respond by the American, right? Will China be that stupid to do a MAD just because of a limited war?



First of all, I don't know what is with you guys and nuke........China have nuke, US have nuke too, again, will Chinese dumb enough to start a MAD just because of a limited war in Chinese Border? Yes, you may kill a lot of American with nuke, but a lot more (by definition, because there is a lot more Chinese than American) Chinese will die too.

Beside, nuke in space concept is not new, US have pondered it in the 1980s with Star War program, you don't even know if US put nuke in their satellite. Don't pretend China is miles ahead on Space Technology, it is the other way around.

And also, you have overestimate the scale of cyber warfare, you do know all essential government and financial data are store on offsite location cannot be accessed by internet. The Federal Reserve data are stored on at least 3 separate standalone, self contain servers which does not have internet access, which in theory, you can only do any damage when you physical (Not remotely) hack all 3 server at the same time. Again, don't forget the US control the internet by controlling IPs, DNS, and DHCP, US can just cut off Chinese access to internet by asking IANA to block all the IP in and out of China if push comes to shove, how are you going to launch a cyber warfare without internet access?

I merely replied to your question about how we can bring war to US mainland , by putting nuke into space, we will nullify US geostrategic advantage, a nuke above American's head, they will learn to sleep with one eye and can't afford to have a well sleeping, when only US feel insecure than China will be secure.

 

[jhungary]

I merely replied to your question about how we can bring war to US mainland , by putting nuke into space, we will nullify US geostrategic advantage, a nuke above American's head, they will learn to sleep with one eye and can't afford to have a well sleeping, when only US feel insecure than China will be secure.

You do know you DF-series can reach US already......The space stuff is a mere redundancy, it's like I have two gun pointed at me already, what is the point for a third?? Especially from the same guy....

And probably I should tell you that there is a lot going on in the US which have to do with China, and if you know about it, you will probably sleepless forever...........

 

[Oldman1]

It is this kind of misled news that is dangerous becos China has the abilities to penetrate US defense shield and wipe US off the map. If neo con supporter thinks US fighting a war with China and can destroy China without US getting hurt. It will be dangerous for them to start war with China. China HSV cannot be intercept and DF-5B has 10 MIRV that will be very difficult to intercept all. Most importantly, China has demonstrated miniaturized thermo nuclear warhead which yield is few hundred times more than the one drop in Hiroshima. Just a single warhead reaching US continent will be unthinkable for Americans.

With the Trident submarines, its enough to wipe out the whole Chinese population and destruction of its culture and civilization. China cannot intercept the Trident missiles and its MIRVs. It be unthinkable for China. Too dangerous to start a war with the U.S.

How do decide what is a good deal for USA? And American can decide which American or which American city to be destroyed by China?
Which sane person can think this is a good deal if half American population will be killed in a war with China and China destroyed? But truth is.....

USA will be destroyed. China will also make sure Vietnam and India will not survive.

Oh, so you nuke U.S. you decide to nuke India and Vietnam, taking them down with you? Probably nuke Indonesia, Japan, Australia and other countries to make sure they cannot defeat you.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

You do know you DF-series can reach US already......The space stuff is a mere redundancy, it's like I have two gun pointed at me already, what is the point for a third?? Especially from the same guy....

And probably I should tell you that there is a lot going on in the US which have to do with China, and if you know about it, you will probably sleepless forever...........

Nice try but sorry I won't buy that. point two guns at you is not the same as closely point at your head..., with DF missile, US will still have time to take its down especially with THAAD place in Korea but in space directly about US, we will ensure to deliver a flawless fatality.

 

[Oldman1]

Nice try but sorry I won't buy that. point two guns at you is not the same as closely point at your head..., with DF missile, US will still have time to take its down especially with THAAD place in Korea but in space directly about US, we will ensure to deliver a flawless fatality.

Yeah sure you don't buy that. Glad to know.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Yeah sure you don't buy that. Glad to know.

If US security is to make other insecure, I think China should learn from this, only then US insecure will make China feels secure...simple logic. you don't need PhD for that.

 

[jhungary]

Nice try but sorry I won't buy that. point two guns at you is not the same as closely point at your head..., with DF missile, US will still have time to take its down especially with THAAD place in Korea but in space directly about US, we will ensure to deliver a flawless fatality.

You do know how THAAD works, right? They intercept a missile on its return stage, not at launch.

But anyway, lol, if believing that will make you sleep better at night, please do go ahead and believe what you said and think, I have no problem.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

With the Trident submarines, its enough to wipe out the whole Chinese population and destruction of its culture and civilization. China cannot intercept the Trident missiles and its MIRVs. It be unthinkable for China. Too dangerous to start a war with the U.S.



Oh, so you nuke U.S. you decide to nuke India and Vietnam, taking them down with you? Probably nuke Indonesia, Japan, Australia and other countries to make sure they cannot defeat you.

Just look at the aftermath chaos caused by the hurricane Katrina.

The aftermath of the war with China will be unimaginable, Rand just wants to brainwash you that it will be ok to start a war with China.

If it is that handy as Rand's assessment, then the US should already bomb those artificial islands.

Rand wants to chest thumping, but the US military leadership doesn't want to be a hot head.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

You do know how THAAD works, right? They intercept a missile on its return stage, not at launch.

But anyway, lol, if believing that will make you sleep better at night, please do go ahead and believe what you said and think, I have no problem.

Don't worry I just do my best to answer your question regarding how we can bring war to US mainland, I hope I answer you question, and please don't that this seriously...we're just talk for talk and I'm not crazy to believe what I said, next day will be another day, I will have to work to make my living.