First iranian reconnaissance satellite under development

[Fafnir]

You are making assumptions.

Israel has never asked or tried to interfere in India's relationship with Iran. They understand full well that our relation with Iran is historical. And we do not take any interference in our bilateral relationships with other countries kindly.

On the same vein, Iran has never tried to interfere in our relationship with Israel.

On topic: Congratulations Iran.

Altho` israel supposedly may not have asked india to break its economic ties with iran,india has certainly shown a willingness to go along with us and israeli policies on iran,india voted against iran and sided with the us/west at the iaea on several occasions and went along with us/un sanctions while taking full economic advantage of irans troubles,indeed I dont think india has yet payed off its oil debt backlog to iran tho the sanctions have been removed months ago.Its pretty clear that these days india is very firmly in the pro western/pro israel club and for that reason I doubt that iran would ever entrust something as sensitive as satellite launches to india.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-votes-against-iran-in-iaea-resolution/article55953.ece

 

[Deadpool]

Altho` israel supposedly may not have asked india to break its economic ties with iran,india has certainly shown a willingness to go along with us and israeli policies on iran,india voted against iran and sided with the us/west at the iaea on several occasions and went along with us/un sanctions while taking full economic advantage of irans troubles,indeed I dont think india has yet payed off its oil debt backlog to iran tho the sanctions have been removed months ago.Its pretty clear that these days india is very firmly in the pro western/pro israel club and for that reason I doubt that iran would ever entrust something as sensitive as satellite launches to india.

India votes by its own views.
Neither are we with the West, nor are we against the West. We are our own pole.

It is our official view that Iran should not posses nuclear weapons if it signed the NPT. Otherwise what was the point of India not signing NPT and being denied the benefits that came to those countries as incentives for signing the Treaty.

However, India has also consistently said that we believe in diplomatic talks with Iran to convince them and not any form of coercion - which means military or economic coercion.

Which is why while we voted against Iran on IAEA, we also voted and rejected economic sanctions against Iran. Indeed India was one of the only three countries in the world that defied international sanctions and continued fully trading with Iran. India and US had a row about it as well.

The backlog of money to Iran was kept under Iran's own Bank account opened in India. It was not kept in Govt.of India's accounts. However because the amount had grown large, a one time reduction would have affected the foreign exchange trade rates in India negatively. Iran was requested that instead of a one time withdrawal, a staggered approach may be taken. Iran acceded the request. Part payment has already been done and will continue as per the time lines agreed with Iran (to which I am not privy).

 

[Fafnir]

India votes by its own views.
Neither are we with the West, nor are we against the West. We are our own pole.

It is our official view that Iran should not posses nuclear weapons if it signed the NPT. Otherwise what was the point of India not signing NPT and being denied the benefits that came to those countries as incentives for signing the Treaty.

However, India has also consistently said that we believe in diplomatic talks with Iran to convince them and not any form of co)ercion - which means military or economic coercion.
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Yet you voted with the west against iran on more than one occasion,India could`ve abstained as others did the fact that it did not is pretty telling in my book.
Iran did not posses nuclear weapons nor did it have a weapons program or nuclear weapons ambitions unlike india,the iaea was demanding without any justification that iran stop enrichment even tho this was at low levels and india went along with this,its funny that you say you want diplomatic talks yet you vote against iran and go along with sanctions,what is that if not an attempt at coercion.I`m afraid most of your excuses ring pretty hollow.

 

[AmirPatriot]

NIAC org in US who serves as American sidekick against Iran

Funny you say that, when some Americans have accused that organisation of being controlled by the Iranian government.

 

[Fafnir]

Funny you say that, when some Americans have accused that organisation of being controlled by the Iranian government.

Lol!,sometimes you`re damned if you do and damned if you dont.

 

[Jugger]

Iran should know that India has the most cost effective space launch vehicles in the world.
And both countries have very good relation at present. India bought Iranian oil even during the sanctions.
Iran should look at its benefit only, take decision that is the best for Iran and ISRO is a very good option.

 

[Deadpool]

Yet you voted with the west against iran on more than one occasion,India could`ve abstained as others did the fact that it did not is pretty telling in my book.
Iran did not posses nuclear weapons nor did it have a weapons program or nuclear weapons ambitions unlike india,the iaea was demanding without any justification that iran stop enrichment even tho this was at low levels and india went along with this,its funny that you say you want diplomatic talks yet you vote against iran and go along with sanctions,what is that if not an attempt at coercion.I`m afraid most of your excuses ring pretty hollow.

That is upto you to individually to decide.

You are wrong that India went along with sanctions though. Kindly get your facts correct. India did not go with sanctions. And openly traded with Iran during sanctions. Our companies got blacklisted globally in the process and we had a row with US but we still kept trading with Iran.

 

[mohsen]

That is upto you to individually to decide.

You are wrong that India went along with sanctions though. Kindly get your facts correct. India did not go with sanctions. And openly traded with Iran during sanctions. Our companies got blacklisted globally in the process and we had a row with US but we still kept trading with Iran.

If buying the oil without paying is called trade! then yes, India kept trading with Iran.

 

[Indian_gorkha]

If buying the oil without paying is called trade! then yes, India kept trading with Iran.

European banks were barred from transactions between India and Iran.

As soon as sanctions were lifted India started processing the payments along with 1.5% interest through Turkeys Halkbank.

http://m.ndtv.com/india-news/india-...to-iran-ahead-of-pms-visit-on-weekend-1407016

I couldn't find the status of the payment though. The reason to not pay was because of sanctions.

 

[Fafnir]

If buying the oil without paying is called trade! then yes, India kept trading with Iran.

Yes,I always found it quite incredible that the usa which had absolutely no financial or banking links with iran was able to simply send the cash it owed iran by plane,it physically packed the money into pallets and flew it to iran,meanwhile india refused to pay its debts to iran citing financial sanctions,funny that eh?,an enemy has no problems paying but a friend[?] cant,fancy that!

European banks were barred from transactions between India and Iran.

As soon as sanctions were lifted India started processing the payments along with 1.5% interest through Turkeys Halkbank.

http://m.ndtv.com/india-news/india-...to-iran-ahead-of-pms-visit-on-weekend-1407016

I couldn't find the status of the payment though. The reason to not pay was because of sanctions.

And what pray tell was preventing india from bypassing the banks/financial institutions and simply physically shipping the payments to iran as the united states itself did later...hmmm?

 

[mohsen]

Yes,I always found it quite incredible that the usa which had absolutely no financial or banking links with iran was able to simply send the cash it owed iran by plane,it physically packed the money into pallets and flew it to iran,meanwhile india refused to pay its debts to iran citing financial sanctions,funny that eh?,an enemy has no problems paying but a friend[?] cant,fancy that!


And what pray tell was preventing india from bypassing the banks/financial institutions and simply physically shipping the payments to iran as the united states itself did later...hmmm?

and to this very day still India transfers our money to some banks in Turkey and Oman which is not accessible for us, and they think they have payed us!
They could specify an Indian bank for credential transactions between the two coutry, yet they simply don't want to violate the sanctions.

 

[Muhammed45]

and to this very day still India transfers our money to some banks in Turkey and Oman which is not accessible for us, and they think they have payed us!
They could specify an Indian bank for credential transactions between the two coutry, yet they simply don't want to violate the sanctions.

JCPOA's mess all around us man!
That was negotiating team's shit. They didn't receive Sufficient guarantee from USA. If a single Indian bank does that, USA will impose financial sanctions on it. Simple. I don't accuse them of our own shit.

 

[Fafnir]

That is upto you to individually to decide.

You are wrong that India went along with sanctions though. Kindly get your facts correct. India did not go with sanctions. And openly traded with Iran during sanctions. Our companies got blacklisted globally in the process and we had a row with US but we still kept trading with Iran.

I have got my facts correct,india may have kept buying some oil tho at a greatly reduced rate but it did not pay for any of it,it used the excuse of financial sanctions to avoid paying/transferring any of those funds back to iran.India took full advantage of the situation.
http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...ally-complying-with-sanctions-on-iran/274063/

JCPOA's mess all around us man!
That was negotiating team's shit. They didn't receive Sufficient guarantee from USA. If a single Indian bank does that, USA will impose financial sanctions on it. Simple. I don't accuse them of our own shit.

But theres nothing preventing the indians or anyone else from physically shipping the cash to iran,nothing except their own gutlessness that is.

 

[Muhammed45]

But theres nothing preventing the indians or anyone else from physically shipping the cash to iran,nothing except their own gutlessness that is.

آخه داداش ما نفت رو به شرکت ها می فروشیم. معمولا هم این شرکت ها مستقل از دولت هستن پس به نفعشونه پول رو ندن.
متاسفانه برجام هیچ وقت نتونست ما رو از زیر تحریم وزارت خزانه داری آمریکا در بیاره. مشکل اینه
رهبری گفتن اگر در اجرای برجام عجله کنید ، خسارت محض خواهد بود. . حرفش رو الان داریم می بینیم.
عراقچی می گفت ظریف ایمیل زده به کری تا نامه بده به بانک های دنیا تا با ما تجارت کنند.
عراقچی: کری در نامه به ظریف، اجرای موفق برجام را تضمین کرده است
دهنمون سرویسه

https://www.tasnimnews.com/fa/news/...م-ریسک-معامله-با-ایران-در-پسابرجام-تغییر-نکرد

به دشمن آتو دادند

 

[Indian_gorkha]

Yes,I always found it quite incredible that the usa which had absolutely no financial or banking links with iran was able to simply send the cash it owed iran by plane,it physically packed the money into pallets and flew it to iran,meanwhile india refused to pay its debts to iran citing financial sanctions,funny that eh?,an enemy has no problems paying but a friend[?] cant,fancy that!


And what pray tell was preventing india from bypassing the banks/financial institutions and simply physically shipping the payments to iran as the united states itself did later...hmmm?

Providing currency bills is not easy, at least for India. We have to provide 67 times more currency bills than what U.S. shipped to you in this case. And Iran wanted the payment in Euros. That would be 70 times more currency bills.

6.5 billion dollars + 1.5% interest. That would roughly amount to 444567500000.00 rs. + Interest. Definitely India can't provide that amount in bills.

I have got my facts correct,india may have kept buying some oil tho at a greatly reduced rate but it did not pay for any of it,it used the excuse of financial sanctions to avoid paying/transferring any of those funds back to iran.India took full advantage of the situation.
http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...ally-complying-with-sanctions-on-iran/274063/


But theres nothing preventing the indians or anyone else from physically shipping the cash to iran,nothing except their own gutlessness that is.

Definitely we cannot go against the barrage of sanctions. It is not gutlessness but I believe that it has been agreed upon after mutual talks by respective governments. Any transaction that may attract international attention will be questioned by U.S and fellow parties involved in JCPOA and may invite trouble for us. That way both countries would be in trouble. You are getting your money now right? What's the fuss about?