Financial irregularities of Rs 50 billion detected in PAF

[Selous]

Cut their hands and feet.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

How is this discrimination? Are you suggesting that the PAF being an arm of the state with gangrene should not be treated because other areas have more serious issues and hence this arm should be left to rot till amputation or worse?

No not at all. They should be put to trial.
The example that you used was 'raping girls', my point was that it should not be. It is the citizens that pay the funds hence they comprise of both sexes, in that way using the above mentioned term became discriminatory.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Since i was a kid, i always saw my relatives/friends in the Army/Air force hitch a ride in the C130.....apparently is was allowed for family members and as such.

There are bad eggs in every public sector organization and private sector. Yes they need to be audited, but that is how it works. Awarding contracts to your relatives etc...it's all part of the game.

Private sector is riddled with such issues as well. Paid travel on company expenses in business/first class even though there was no need......just come up with some random 'conference' to attend in USA and the next thing you know is the person is travelling fully paid and staying in 5 star hotels on company expenses.

Bhai .. Although I belong from a mil background but have never "hitched" a ride on a c-130 .. But let me assure you that they aren't flown specially for the officers or their families (nor do 99.9% even travel on c-130s).. The ones who do tag alone if such a flight is available using GHQ issued vouchers..

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

What is corruption other than rape of the economy and Pakistani state.

The part I find discouraging here is the lack of any existing process that would hold the generals accountable. The first thing that comes to mind is the usual "make military budgets and spending accountable to parliament", but with many in parliament itself alleged to have engaged in corruption and mismanagement, merely giving parliament the authority to carry out "accountability of military spending" will likely result in connivance between corrupt politicians and members of the military, and just add more mouths at the trough.

Ideally, an independent and empowered auditor's office and NAB would conduct audits and investigations of both civilian government and military spending, but I see little chance of effective institutional reforms being passed by the current set of legislators the electorate keeps playing musical chairs with.

 

[Hyperion]

Zardaris, Sharifs and Fauj have had a field day at raping Pakistan!

 

[Donatello]

Bhai .. Although I belong from a mil background but have never "hitched" a ride on a c-130 .. But let me assure you that they aren't flown specially for the officers or their families (nor do 99.9% even travel on c-130s).. The ones who do tag alone if such a flight is available using GHQ issued vouchers..

That is what i meant......C130s are not used for someone's wishes, but if an aircraft is travelling from one location to another, then officers and their families are allowed to go. (And yes there is abuse in the system, just like PIA....where most of the business class seats fly empty and filled with crew and their families.)

 

[SQ8]

The part I find discouraging here is the lack of any existing process that would hold the generals accountable. The first thing that comes to mind is the usual "make military budgets and spending accountable to parliament", but with many in parliament itself alleged to have engaged in corruption and mismanagement, merely giving parliament the authority to carry out "accountability of military spending" will likely result in connivance between corrupt politicians and members of the military, and just add more mouths at the trough.

Ideally, an independent and empowered auditor's office and NAB would conduct audits and investigations of both civilian government and military spending, but I see little chance of effective institutional reforms being passed by the current set of legislators the electorate keeps playing musical chairs with.

We cant really do much with the system. Regardless of the pro-military and pro-civvy trading barbs to and fro, the end result is that these people end up playing "you scratch my back, Ill scratch yours" when it comes to corrupt practices. We all usually end up knowing or hearing of people within both pillars of state who collude on making millions of a particular project.

India has its CAG, which is the independent body you refer to that could do this. But if you really look at it, NAB was supposed to be the embodiment of such a body and currently is itself considered extremely corrupt.

The biggest issue however is, that with the traditional hold of the military(or rather the Army) in the final Damocles sword of "taking over" as has been seen in history, there have been ample occurrences of politicians being caught and taken to task(if rather in a spurious way) as compared to say the military. Spare a few rare cases of being caught, there is very little that was done in the past to actually look at the military's books in the fear that the "buck stops there". However, IMHO if it was so that a proper cleansing of the military was performed and perpetrators punished very harshly, as an exemplar to the politicians that "now even they have no escape". It would send a certain warning out that may reduce corruption and make a push for transparency even further.

 

[SQ8]

No not at all. They should be put to trial.
The example that you used was 'raping girls', my point was that it should not be. It is the citizens that pay the funds hence they comprise of both sexes, in that way using the above mentioned term became discriminatory.

That is a rather clutching at straws defence and a pointless tangent to the actual argument. If it appeases you Ill say the rape both sexes equally. Does that take away from the main point that corruption by either pillar of state is more acceptable than the other? Or that one should be dealt with before the other?

 

[nomi007]

we abuse politicians because they can be easily target
our bureaucracy and armed forces are more corrupt

 

[rockstar08]

ek tu waise funds nai hai , upper se Corruption

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

we abuse politicians because they can be easily target
our bureaucracy and armed forces are more corrupt

And why do you say that?

 

[Armstrong]

This is huge.

All we need now is for fanboys to calculate how many F-22 aircraft we could have got for that money. Or how many joy rides on F-22s you can give to the starving poor in Pakistan.

Its $0.5 billion; that'll fetch maybe 2 F22 Raptors !

One for you and one for me !

 

[Armstrong]

Zardaris, Sharifs and Fauj have had a field day at raping Pakistan!

Koi Pukhtoon politician ko bhiii beech mein dalooo to even out the scales !

After all you Khan Sahibans epitomize more than anyone else that song 'Biwi na Bachaa na Baap baraa na Bhaiyaa....the whole thing is that keh Bhaiyaa subbb seh baraa Rupayaaa' !

We're innocent creatures in front of the Khans !

 

[genmirajborgza786]

This is huge.

All we need now is for fanboys to calculate how many F-22 aircraft we could have got for that money. Or how many joy rides on F-22s you can give to the starving poor in Pakistan.

Rs 50 billion !

1 lakhs = 100,000
10 lakhs = 1,000,000
1 crore = 10,000,000
10 crore = 100,000,000
1 billion = 100 crore
1 trillion = 100,000 crore

1 BILLION = 100 crores x 50 = 5,000 Crores !
had such large amount gone to the JF-17 blk ll development we could have got our self's , a beast in its true combat form , @ a time when jf-17 project was facing financial crunch , 50 billion in corruption is unforgivable, heads must roll

 

[45'22']

This is huge.

All we need now is for fanboys to calculate how many F-22 aircraft we could have got for that money. Or how many joy rides on F-22s you can give to the starving poor in Pakistan.

U could have sent 11 orbiters to mars