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Federal government has failed to add a single MW of electricity in 2 years

The project was a initiative of PPP's government. Obviously in the 90s decade PPP government was forcibly removed twice. Neelum -Jhelum construction continued during 2008-2013.

Come on come out of your PPP Dreams Construction started in end of 2013....
 
PPPP was going in circles not knowing what to do? they couldnt afford LNG due to high prices, and didnt allow coal due to their concern regarding thar coal being ignored. mean while thar couldnt be utilized due to lack of funding or foreign investment.

PML N did had a vision , they did started good with coal initiative, but loss their way and failed during implementation process.
lucky for them the LNG price has fallen more than 70% so its doable now.


statistically, PPPP added around 600 MW in hydro through small dams, 150 MW in wind and did the ground work for TARBELA , they were able to keep going NJ at a slow pace despite no funding.

PML N added nandipur gas plant that has been closed due to lack of gas, did the ground work for DASU which PPPP refused as they wanted bhasha dam first and were trying to persuade WB for bahsha DAM. they also maintain the wind initiative by PPPP and added the solar initiative to the mix.

in short PPPP actions were clouded to facilitate development in sindh (thar coal, wind power). however PPPP would probably have ended load shedding too, had it had so low rates of LNG available

both political parties failed to do any long term planning in hydro sector as its not a voter friendly area.

The vision, planning, and feasibilities done in musharraf era (vision 2025) have gone into the dust bin
 
Come on come out of your PPP Dreams Construction started in end of 2013....

Nice joke. Extract below from Wapda's website (link given)

NEELUM JHELUM HYDROPOWER PROJECT

CONSTRUCTION
Construction Contract was awarded, on July 07, 2007 to M/s CGGC-CMEC Consortium China for implementation of the project at a cost of Rs. 90.90 Billions including Rs. 46.499 Billions foreign component.

Preparatory works including construction of Contractor's camps aggregate crushing & batching plant, site access roads and site/test laboratory have been completed.

Board of Director NJHPC has approved the deployment of Tunnel Boring Machines (TBM) for the Project on 23.11.2010. The Contractor has arranged procurement of two TBMs from M/S Herrenknecht Germany. The deployment of TBMs will certainly help to put the project on scheduled track and recover most part of delayed period envisaged for the project completion.

Both the tunnel boring machines (TBMs) have been assembled and tested. The operation of first TBM started on 28-01-2013 whereas second TBM started mining on 22-02-2013. Operation of both tunnel boring machines (TBMs) remained in progress.
 
How many has Zardari added to Sindh?
How many projects did PPP started and completed...
So its a competition between who can do the most shit to the country? I thought tinday were into DEVELOPMENT look how many metro they added :unsure:

This rich coming from a man who supports the PPP.

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Technically speaking it should be coming from everyone caliming to support DEMOCRACY and not kingdoms!

Democracy doesnt see parties it sees rights and equality....quality and all the other things that those crying and claiming democracy saved us and blaa blaaa...
 
lucky for them the LNG price has fallen more than 70% so its doable now.

Iranian gas pipeline is built to Pakistani border and Iran was offering $500 million to finish Pakistani side to connect to national grid. But our stupid and slavish rulers rather follow Saudi dictates rather than follow national interests.
 
So its a competition between who can do the most shit to the country? I thought tinday were into DEVELOPMENT look how many metro they added :unsure:

Metro was a good idea. Considering the population density of where it was created it is good.

But what other than metro?
 
Metro was a good idea. Considering the population density of where it was created it is good.

But what other than metro?
Beats me...I didnt vote for them nor do I cheer everytime steel from their mills are used to "develop" the nation by outsourcing projects to their friends!
 
Technically speaking it should be coming from everyone caliming to support DEMOCRACY and not kingdoms!

Democracy doesnt see parties it sees rights and equality....quality and all the other things that those crying and claiming democracy saved us and blaa blaaa...

Democracy hasn't saved you, you need to save you, democracy is a means to which you might achieve your end, not the end itself. Besides, my criticism of the idiocy of this guy is just as valid as any criticism of the incompetence and idiocy of the incumbent government.

And you're very right I don't give a damn about parties, they can all go to hell.
Each leader I'd like to line up to take a swing at, useless bunch of (excuse my french).
 
, democracy is a means to which you might achieve your end, not the end itself.
I am aware of that...

If you read it in context I meant DEMOCRACY of Pakistan which goes crying when justice is demanded after it bullies us :unsure:
 
I am aware of that...

If you read it in context I meant DEMOCRACY of Pakistan which goes crying when justice is demanded after it bullies us :unsure:

Democracy is what you make it though. Right now, Pakistan is not a functional democracy, so people seem to think in their minds that it has been hijacked and is being used against them. But their solutions and who they blame are completely misguided.

The solution is in their hands, and as far as I can tell, it involved non-violent yet passionate, gradual change by means of refinement of and through the current system.

We've tried other approaches before, one other issue with our people is, they don't learn the easy way, how many dictatorships and how many futile attempts at democracy will it take before they learn.
 
Democracy is what you make it though.
Yes and no...It does come with a set of terms and conditions to be considered DEMOCRACY...

Right now, Pakistan is not a functional democracy, so people seem to think in their minds that it has been hijacked and is being used against them. But their solutions and who they blame are completely misguided.
Well, honestly speaking then the leaders should grow a pair, come out and admit that they have been piggybacking on a term not in practice yet...

The solution is in their hands, and as far as I can tell, it involved non-violent yet passionate, gradual change by means of refinement of and through the current system.
What system? Do we even have a system that is working or can be considered functional?

We've tried other approaches before, one other issue with our people is, they don't learn the easy way, how many dictatorships and how many futile attempts at democracy will it take before they learn.
When DEMOCRATIC rulers keep the people illiterate, it sort of serves their version of democracy :enjoy:
 
Yes and no...It does come with a set of terms and conditions to be considered DEMOCRACY...

I tiny list of rules that the majority of developed nations on earth fit into so very naturally and so very easily. Why can't Pakistan?

Now, I don't take the word 'easily' lightly, it's easy for them now because they all went through hell and back to get it where it is today.

But once the base is established, and refined and stability is derived from it, EVERYTHING, every arbitrary detail from there on is decided by the nation. Whether your secular or religious, whether you're socialist or capitalist, whether your socially liberal or conservative. Those are the parts that are the end goal. Democracy is just a means. And in my view the most proven and successful means.

Well, honestly speaking then the leaders should grow a pair, come out and admit that they have been piggybacking on a term not in practice yet...

Leaders will only ever be as good as their people and as their people make them to be.
NO man on earth will save Pakistanis from the hell they've created, only they themselves can.

When people in the west progress, they do so as nations, as a people who are driving their own future, not off the back of a messianic leader.

If Pakistanis want things to change, you get up and make them happen. And if the wrong people keep getting power, it will hurt those down below and force them to change the system themselves, and that is long lasting and effective change, it's the way the refinement process of democracy works.

What system? Do we even have a system that is working or can be considered functional?

It's a system that's barely 7 years old, you can't expect it to run like the big boys that have been going for decades and centuries.

When DEMOCRATIC rulers keep the people illiterate, it sort of serves their version of democracy :enjoy:

It does indeed, OP and people who support his party are a fine, fine example.
 
Agreed with the first part
Democracy is just a means. And in my view the most proven and successful means.
Disagree with this....I would not put a most there :disagree:

only they themselves can.
Sadly those who can are too busy counting their bank balance or to busy trying to make ends meet...

they do so as nations, as a people who are driving their own future, not off the back of a messianic leader.
Unity is def lacking....

However, one thing many (in the West) agree is they are lacking a leader to show them how to go from A to B (vision)....they are only managing....based on long established rules via trial an error...in short they learn from their failures..In order to do that one must acknowledge that they are human and not some supernaturals ...they must learn that not everything GOD will spoon feed you with (man-o-salwa khattam ho giyea)...Once this bubble pops we can wake up...sadly, no one dares to pop the bubble :(

We have neither a leader nor a manager...and no sense of trial an error hence keep repeating failed experiments...


And if the wrong people keep getting power, it will hurt those down below and force them to change the system themselves, and that is long lasting and effective change, it's the way the refinement process of democracy works.
Unfortunately, the ones down below like I said: to busy trying to make ends meet... or being killed for voicing change!

Majority like sheep just follow that 1 pathetic paid man who shouts ZINDABAD to a stupid idea!

It's a system that's barely 7 years old, you can't expect it to run like the big boys that have been going for decades and centuries.
Then you cant label it as the
most proven and successful means.

It does indeed, OP and people who support his party are a fine, fine example.
:agree:
 
Nice joke. Extract below from Wapda's website (link given)

NEELUM JHELUM HYDROPOWER PROJECT

CONSTRUCTION
Construction Contract was awarded, on July 07, 2007 to M/s CGGC-CMEC Consortium China for implementation of the project at a cost of Rs. 90.90 Billions including Rs. 46.499 Billions foreign component.

Preparatory works including construction of Contractor's camps aggregate crushing & batching plant, site access roads and site/test laboratory have been completed.

Board of Director NJHPC has approved the deployment of Tunnel Boring Machines (TBM) for the Project on 23.11.2010. The Contractor has arranged procurement of two TBMs from M/S Herrenknecht Germany. The deployment of TBMs will certainly help to put the project on scheduled track and recover most part of delayed period envisaged for the project completion.

Both the tunnel boring machines (TBMs) have been assembled and tested. The operation of first TBM started on 28-01-2013 whereas second TBM started mining on 22-02-2013. Operation of both tunnel boring machines (TBMs) remained in progress.
Yes we must give devil his due , PPP really contributed to the construction of NJ . agreed .
 
Beats me...I didnt vote for them nor do I cheer everytime steel from their mills are used to "develop" the nation by outsourcing projects to their friends!
At least Pakistan is being developed.

It should not matter if its their friends or family. Only matter should be cost. You're being bias from point 1 by bringing "friends" and "[private) steel mills," instead of pointing finger at corruption.

Looks like you have made up your mind. Your primary concern isn't corruption, but family business.

I tiny list of rules that the majority of developed nations on earth fit into so very naturally and so very easily. Why can't Pakistan?

Now, I don't take the word 'easily' lightly, it's easy for them now because they all went through hell and back to get it where it is today.

But once the base is established, and refined and stability is derived from it, EVERYTHING, every arbitrary detail from there on is decided by the nation. Whether your secular or religious, whether you're socialist or capitalist, whether your socially liberal or conservative. Those are the parts that are the end goal. Democracy is just a means. And in my view the most proven and successful means.



Leaders will only ever be as good as their people and as their people make them to be.
NO man on earth will save Pakistanis from the hell they've created, only they themselves can.

When people in the west progress, they do so as nations, as a people who are driving their own future, not off the back of a messianic leader.

If Pakistanis want things to change, you get up and make them happen. And if the wrong people keep getting power, it will hurt those down below and force them to change the system themselves, and that is long lasting and effective change, it's the way the refinement process of democracy works.



It's a system that's barely 7 years old, you can't expect it to run like the big boys that have been going for decades and centuries.



It does indeed, OP and people who support his party are a fine, fine example.

PPP could have done better if Benazir was there and people wouldn't die for Iftikhar Chaudary (Musharraf and Zardari were against him, among others, but people would see Pakistan collapse at the cost of bringing back the most political judge in Pakistan's history). Parties are not destroying pakistan. The entire nation, including every institution (army supporting good taliban?), went for a collapse.

We're recovering now and it will get better in the next decade or so. The big boys didn't have technology, massive media and public awareness as we do now. Imagine if US had rigging in 1800s-1900s, it'd be hard to combat it. But we can fix it in two elections (2013/2018). And we will be better than big boys considering our major parties are dying and being replaced (PPP/MQM/PMLQ), whereas in the US, you won't see republican and democrat going away and in Canada, we have NDP/liberals and PC.

As they say, Pakistan is unpredictable. I could be wrong, but the way I see it, 2018 could be a real change and 2023 being an even bigger one itself. Meanwhile US will be stuck with same old parties and same for other countries. Beside, Imran Nawaz and all these "faces" of parties will be too old to govern. When faces fade, parties fade.

Finally, in Pakistan, parties develop based on its leader. As all these 80s and 90s leader fade way, again so will parties, we're in for a real change.

Edit: Actually forgot to add, the Pakistanis themselves are more to blame than democracy itself. They think its their constitutional right to steal electricity, burn public/private property, take law in hand, keep illegal weapons, slack off at work (lets go for tea, lets go for lunch, lets leave early, oh this customer comes so bring tea and have nice talk for 30 mins until another customer comes), ask others for help (pls send money my son needs laptop and even though I got multiple houses and shops, you guys are rich).

I mean almost the entire pakistan population is one colossal mess. Being raised in Pakistan, I saw it all and I'm surprised Pakistan fares better than African nations. They lack what we've, yet we prefer to live in stone age and like stone agers.
 
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