FC-20 is a modified J-10A designed to meet PAF requirements. It will have european avionics and subsystems.
We're looking in french and italian avionics but released info is scarse as usual.
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FC-20 is a modified J-10A designed to meet PAF requirements. It will have european avionics and subsystems.
We're looking in french and italian avionics but released info is scarse as usual.
Chengdu J-10
The J-10 is a fourth-generation multi-role fighter, produced by the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Co. (CAC). The secretive program started in the late '80s, and is reportedly based on the Israeli Lavi fighter, Israels attempt to develop its own F-16. Pakistan also provided F-16 technology, which was given to the PLAAF as part of a secret military trade deal between Pakistan and China.
A two-seat J-10B fighter-trainer version first flew in December 2003, and in early 2006 Jane's reported that a more advanced version of the J-10 is planned. Russian sources told Jane's the new J-10 version is called the Super-10, and has a more powerful engine, thrust-vector control, stronger airframe and passive phased-array radar.
Dispite the fact that the program got off with a slow start, and is based on old, foreign technology, many experts now believe the J-10 has the potential of becoming one of the most significant fighters in the next few decades.
Development
The program began in 1986 with the goal of developing a fighter that could counter the Russian MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters. The break-up of the Soviet Union and changing requirements shifted development towards a multirole fighter to replace the Shenyang J-6 (MiG-19) and Chengdu J-7 (MiG-21), which were the backbone of China's Army Air Force.
The Lavi based airframe had to be significantly modified, because the Chinese could not use the P&W 1120 engine, due to the US arms export ban to China. The larger and much heavier Russian AL-31 engine was then installed, but it requires 40 per cent more air flow.
In the early '90s a wind tunnel mock-up was build, which reveiled several aerodynamical problems at low speed flight, and a lower than expected angle of attack at subsonic speeds. These problems, the requirement for better air-to-ground capabilties, forced the J-10 team to make more design changes.
First flight of a J-10 prototype reportedly took place somewhere in 1996, but a fatal accident in 1997 further delayed the program. A faulty fly-by-wire system is believed to be the cause of the incident. It took two years before the J-10 had a successful test flight.
After the modified prototype made its succesful test flight, more prototypes were build, by 1999 four were used for flight testing and two for static ground tests. A year later, the flight test program accumulated over 140 flight hours and nine prototypes were in use.
Production of the J-10 began in mid-2002, with the first batch of 50 J-10 fighters. Between 2002 and 2004, 54 AL-31F engines were delivered.
A second batch of engines was ordered in late 2005, at a total cost of $300 million. The newer AL-31FN M1 engines for this batch are believed to be developed especially for the new "Super-10" version of the J-10.
China has also been working on their own version of the AL-31 engine, called the WS10A.
Systems
Prototypes of the J-10 that have been seen were armed with the PL-9 air-to-air missile, a Chinese copy of the Israeli Rafael Python 3.
It is unclear what kind of radar the J-10 is equipped with, possibilities are the Israeli-made Elbit ELM-2021 radar system, which can track multiple aerial targets simultaneously, an indigenous KLJ-3 pulse-Doppler fire-control radar, or a Russian Phazotron Zhemchoung radar, which has both an air-to-air and air-to-ground targeting capability.
On April 12, 2006 the Pakistani cabinet approved the purchase of at least 36 J-10s under the designation "FC-10".
http://www.air-attack.com/page/42/Chengdu-J-10.html
The J-10 is a fourth-generation multi-role fighter, produced by the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Co. (CAC). The secretive program started in the late '80s, and is reportedly based on the Israeli Lavi fighter, Israels attempt to develop its own F-16. Pakistan also provided F-16 technology, which was given to the PLAAF as part of a secret military trade deal between Pakistan and China.
A two-seat J-10B fighter-trainer version first flew in December 2003, and in early 2006 Jane's reported that a more advanced version of the J-10 is planned. Russian sources told Jane's the new J-10 version is called the Super-10, and has a more powerful engine, thrust-vector control, stronger airframe and passive phased-array radar.
Dispite the fact that the program got off with a slow start, and is based on old, foreign technology, many experts now believe the J-10 has the potential of becoming one of the most significant fighters in the next few decades.
Development
The program began in 1986 with the goal of developing a fighter that could counter the Russian MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters. The break-up of the Soviet Union and changing requirements shifted development towards a multirole fighter to replace the Shenyang J-6 (MiG-19) and Chengdu J-7 (MiG-21), which were the backbone of China's Army Air Force.
The Lavi based airframe had to be significantly modified, because the Chinese could not use the P&W 1120 engine, due to the US arms export ban to China. The larger and much heavier Russian AL-31 engine was then installed, but it requires 40 per cent more air flow.
In the early '90s a wind tunnel mock-up was build, which reveiled several aerodynamical problems at low speed flight, and a lower than expected angle of attack at subsonic speeds. These problems, the requirement for better air-to-ground capabilties, forced the J-10 team to make more design changes.
First flight of a J-10 prototype reportedly took place somewhere in 1996, but a fatal accident in 1997 further delayed the program. A faulty fly-by-wire system is believed to be the cause of the incident. It took two years before the J-10 had a successful test flight.
After the modified prototype made its succesful test flight, more prototypes were build, by 1999 four were used for flight testing and two for static ground tests. A year later, the flight test program accumulated over 140 flight hours and nine prototypes were in use.
Production of the J-10 began in mid-2002, with the first batch of 50 J-10 fighters. Between 2002 and 2004, 54 AL-31F engines were delivered.
A second batch of engines was ordered in late 2005, at a total cost of $300 million. The newer AL-31FN M1 engines for this batch are believed to be developed especially for the new "Super-10" version of the J-10.
China has also been working on their own version of the AL-31 engine, called the WS10A.
Systems
Prototypes of the J-10 that have been seen were armed with the PL-9 air-to-air missile, a Chinese copy of the Israeli Rafael Python 3.
It is unclear what kind of radar the J-10 is equipped with, possibilities are the Israeli-made Elbit ELM-2021 radar system, which can track multiple aerial targets simultaneously, an indigenous KLJ-3 pulse-Doppler fire-control radar, or a Russian Phazotron Zhemchoung radar, which has both an air-to-air and air-to-ground targeting capability.
On April 12, 2006 the Pakistani cabinet approved the purchase of at least 36 J-10s under the designation "FC-10".
http://www.air-attack.com/page/42/Chengdu-J-10.html
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FC-20 is a modified J-10A designed to meet PAF requirements. It will have european avionics and subsystems.
We're looking in french and italian avionics but released info is scarse as usual.
I never knew J-10 was modified for Pakistan. Very nice. Allows us to be well diversified with avionics.
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i see ONE MAJOR hurdle in this....if the FC-20 indeed uses the al31 engine with TVC, then Pakistan is not going to get teh FC-20. Russia would never allow China to export to Pakistan its al31 engine.China will have to change the engine if it wants to supply Pakistan with these planes.
There is a HUGE difference b/w supplying Pakistan with teh old RD engines and the al31 engine. India would cry out hoarse for this and Russia wont ever sell it. I doubt India will have to seriously tell Russia not to sell the engine, Russia wont want to trample on Indian sensitivities.
And also i THINK that by the time, China tries to convinve russia to sell the engine, the development of the new Russian engine will have finished.
There is a HUGE difference b/w supplying Pakistan with teh old RD engines and the al31 engine. India would cry out hoarse for this and Russia wont ever sell it. I doubt India will have to seriously tell Russia not to sell the engine, Russia wont want to trample on Indian sensitivities.
And also i THINK that by the time, China tries to convinve russia to sell the engine, the development of the new Russian engine will have finished.
FC-20 won't be available before 2010, will be equipped by chinese WS engines instead of AL-31FN.
Russia is assisting China with the development of the WS-10A, its more like a JV rather than a copy of the AlL-31FN.
Russia stunned India by releasing RD-93 to Pakistan via China, it's widely believed to be better than the RD-33K used by Indian Mig-29's!
What makes you think Russia won't sell more in future.
Russian official already stated "If we won't sell the engine to Pakistan someone else will".
But again, WS-10A and WS-13 won't have export restrictions.
China won't have to, soon she'll be acpeable of building both jurbojets and turbofans indegeniously.
>>>India would cry out hoarse for this and Russia wont ever sell it.
First part is correct. India cries no matter what. We can skip Russia... Any nation that contacts India and the eraction is worser then crynig baby. Pathetic for a nation that calls itself oldest democracy and which puts more money in foreign arms then a lot of others...
Russia won't sell was repeated so often like Fc1 was a paper plane. Yet this mythical paper ha become then the superduper high tech LCA... Which according to **** Indians on Keymag is even beyond weapon trials and will be equal to MKI cause the backseater is outsourced. Somehow we have to remember that Harry, which got the title of a mod on keymag, thought that Brahmos was going mach 3 a few feet above ground... Somehow being a big nation does not guarantee intellectual capacity nor production ability.
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First part is correct. India cries no matter what. We can skip Russia... Any nation that contacts India and the eraction is worser then crynig baby. Pathetic for a nation that calls itself oldest democracy and which puts more money in foreign arms then a lot of others...
Russia won't sell was repeated so often like Fc1 was a paper plane. Yet this mythical paper ha become then the superduper high tech LCA... Which according to **** Indians on Keymag is even beyond weapon trials and will be equal to MKI cause the backseater is outsourced. Somehow we have to remember that Harry, which got the title of a mod on keymag, thought that Brahmos was going mach 3 a few feet above ground... Somehow being a big nation does not guarantee intellectual capacity nor production ability.
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FC-20 won't be available before 2010, will be equipped by chinese WS engines instead of AL-31FN.
Russia is assisting China with the development of the WS-10A, its more like a JV rather than a copy of the AlL-31FN.
Russia stunned India by releasing RD-93 to Pakistan via China, it's widely believed to be better than the RD-33K used by Indian Mig-29's!
What makes you think Russia won't sell more in future.
Russian official already stated "If we won't sell the engine to Pakistan someone else will".
But again, WS-10A and WS-13 won't have export restrictions.
China won't have to, soon she'll be acpeable of building both jurbojets and turbofans indegeniously.
yep, china is also developing its own engine, which is supposed to be good. it will take time though.
Since JF17 is build with plug and play integrated in its design... There will be not huge loss of time if alternatives were needed. China is busy and probably finished alternative. Russia will allow indirect copy rights...
At the same time India will continue with 5 million an engine from USA cause Kaveri will hardly ever reach LCA (if LCA ever reaches production cause it is seen as test case).
At the same time India will continue with 5 million an engine from USA cause Kaveri will hardly ever reach LCA (if LCA ever reaches production cause it is seen as test case).
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