Face Veil removal request in Western Countries

[Verve]

They have no issues with Hijab/Jubba. But the examples above and more (I've seen cases) where face covering (which clearly prevents visuality) of these criminals has let them slip. Nothing to do with how lose a garment is.

Face veil due to the current climate isn't wise, it creates hostility and one shouldn't overburden themselves in the State they're living in.

How many attacks have happened in UK so far by face veil women? Security hysteria aside, there is no supporting evidence.

Hostility is created through hysteria in media.

It is all planned. Read RAND Corp's report on 4 types of muslims and how West should deal with each.

 

[Divergent]

How many attacks have happened in UK so far by face veil women? Security hysteria aside, there is no supporting evidence.

Hostility is created through hysteria in media.

It is all planned. Read RAND Corp's report on 4 types of muslims and how West should deal with each.

It's not a hysteria, a bus bomb was prevented. A murderer escaped.

This isn't Pakistan where it takes a hundred incidents to happen to finally get the picture if that's what you're used to.

Hence why isn't a law and not a ban but just advised by authorities.

 

[Verve]

It's not a hysteria, a bus bomb was prevented. A murderer escaped.

This isn't Pakistan where it takes a hundred incidents to happen to finally get the picture if that's what you're used to.

Hence why isn't a law and not a ban but just advised by authorities.

World is full of false flags.

Advisory (to test public response) to ban - inevitable.

Muslims are a minority here anyways and have little or no say if the Liberal Secular whites change laws. France's reason were different, but they are all heading in the same direction.

 

[Divergent]

World is full of false flags.

Advisory (to test public response) to ban - inevitable.

Muslims are a minority here anyways and have little or no say if the Liberal Secular whites change laws. France's reason were different, but they are all heading in the same direction.

Face veil isn't an issue and shouldn't even be an issue it's also done in Tunisia too which happens to be a Muslim Country.

 

[Verve]

Face veil isn't an issue and shouldn't even be an issue it's also done in Tunisia too which happens to be a Muslim Country.

It is a big issue for many but the choice of abiding or leaving is theirs to make when the ban comes through eventually.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Niqab is not a religious obligation as per my knowledge on Islam. Niqab is just a cultural thing. One should contact an Islamic scholar on this matter.

 

[abdulbarijan]

I don't like people making sweeping statements on things pertaining to religion because we don't have an Islamic scholar on PDF to contest the views made by our friends on the left calling xyz an abomination. I'll trust @Zarvan to come up with some pointers regarding the islamic point of view on this issue.

-As far as the argumentation goes, in terms of clothing, first off it's flat out hypocritical of the west to talk about "empowerment of women" and then depriving them of a choice of clothing. So lemme get this straight, the great west, that goes to extreme lengths, and talks about "her body her choice" to defend things like abortion, can't seem to respect the choices of women, that are not in agreement with the local culture.
Now I get that the local population has its own norms, values and culture, and things that go against them are deemed odd and are frowned upon which is fairly common around the world, but stop calling yourself "inclusive" "open" and "free" etc. when you yourself cherry pick the choices you allot to people.

-To loosely quote Mufti Menk; according to the west a woman whose a house wife, and takes care of her husband is oppressed, while a woman who serves 200 men at 35,000 feet in the air is supposedly empowered.

-As far the whole correlation with terrorism, well, if the argument that you present is that since the attire is correlated with terrorism and has been used by some terrorists, hence it may cause the people wearing it harm because of the anger and anti-muslim sentiments. If that is the argument, you owe it to yourself to be intellectually consistent, and also advise people not to wear skimpy outfits, since after all, those were the choice victims of people like the Green River Killer and Gary Ridgway (who BTW pleaded guilty to killing 48 women).

-Lastly, I will say however, if you as a muslim, make the conscientious choice to go live in the west and raise your families there--- well, the treatment you get is part of the package. Whether it is maltreatment for having a beard or wearing a niqab. Yes, the perpetrator who maltreated you is a piece of $hit, but it was your decision to go in a country, knowing full well what goes on there.

 

[MultaniGuy]

I don't like people making sweeping statements on things pertaining to religion because we don't have an Islamic scholar on PDF to contest the views made by our friends on the left calling xyz an abomination. I'll trust @Zarvan to come up with some pointers regarding the islamic point of view on this issue.

-As far as the argumentation goes, in terms of clothing, first off it's flat out hypocritical of the west to talk about "empowerment of women" and then depriving them of a choice of clothing. So lemme get this straight, the great west, that goes to extreme lengths, and talks about "her body her choice" to defend things like abortion, can't seem to respect the choices of women, that are not in agreement with the local culture.
Now I get that the local population has its own norms, values and culture, and things that go against them are deemed odd and are frowned upon which is fairly common around the world, but stop calling yourself "inclusive" "open" and "free" etc. when you yourself cherry pick the choices you allot to people.

-To loosely quote Mufti Menk; according to the west a woman whose a house wife, and takes care of her husband is oppressed, while a woman who serves 200 men at 35,000 feet in the air is supposedly empowered.

-As far the whole correlation with terrorism, well, if the argument that you present is that since the attire is correlated with terrorism and has been used by some terrorists, hence it may cause the people wearing it harm because of the anger and anti-muslim sentiments. If that is the argument, you owe it to yourself to be intellectually consistent, and also advise people not to wear skimpy outfits, since after all, those were the choice victims of people like the Green River Killer and Gary Ridgway (who BTW pleaded guilty to killing 48 women).

-Lastly, I will say however, if you as a muslim, make the conscientious choice to go live in the west and raise your families there--- well, the treatment you get is part of the package. Whether it is maltreatment for having a beard or wearing a niqab. Yes, the perpetrator who maltreated you is a piece of $hit, but it was your decision to go in a country, knowing full well what goes on there.

Agreed with you

 

[Divergent]

I don't like people making sweeping statements on things pertaining to religion because we don't have an Islamic scholar on PDF to contest the views made by our friends on the left calling xyz an abomination. I'll trust @Zarvan to come up with some pointers regarding the islamic point of view on this issue.

-As far as the argumentation goes, in terms of clothing, first off it's flat out hypocritical of the west to talk about "empowerment of women" and then depriving them of a choice of clothing. So lemme get this straight, the great west, that goes to extreme lengths, and talks about "her body her choice" to defend things like abortion, can't seem to respect the choices of women, that are not in agreement with the local culture.
Now I get that the local population has its own norms, values and culture, and things that go against them are deemed odd and are frowned upon which is fairly common around the world, but stop calling yourself "inclusive" "open" and "free" etc. when you yourself cherry pick the choices you allot to people.

-To loosely quote Mufti Menk; according to the west a woman whose a house wife, and takes care of her husband is oppressed, while a woman who serves 200 men at 35,000 feet in the air is supposedly empowered.

-As far the whole correlation with terrorism, well, if the argument that you present is that since the attire is correlated with terrorism and has been used by some terrorists, hence it may cause the people wearing it harm because of the anger and anti-muslim sentiments. If that is the argument, you owe it to yourself to be intellectually consistent, and also advise people not to wear skimpy outfits, since after all, those were the choice victims of people like the Green River Killer and Gary Ridgway (who BTW pleaded guilty to killing 48 women).

-Lastly, I will say however, if you as a muslim, make the conscientious choice to go live in the west and raise your families there--- well, the treatment you get is part of the package. Whether it is maltreatment for having a beard or wearing a niqab. Yes, the perpetrator who maltreated you is a piece of $hit, but it was your decision to go in a country, knowing full well what goes on there.

Please don't bring Zarvan in he's going to declare Niqab compulsory and it's not.

It is a big issue for many but the choice of abiding or leaving is theirs to make when the ban comes through eventually.

But it's putting them at more risk. It's not safe and there's security concerns.

 

[abdulbarijan]

Please don't bring Zarvan in he's going to declare Niqab compulsory and it's not.

There is no point of a "discussion" when there is no opposing point of view and even though I'm no fan of @Zarvan when it comes to his predictions in the defense section, I have no problem in admitting that he does seem somewhat knowledgeable when it comes to the religion.

The fact that you already protest to someone joining a mere discussion at a forum says alot about the strength of your arguments to be quite frank with you. My reasoning to your points wasn't even religious and I haven't seen a response as yet

 

[CHACHA"G"]

People have to fallow the Law of the land , And Islam is very clear about Dress code ,,,,,,,,
One Culture's dressing can not be use in other or different Culture ..............
People need to stay safe , and need to make sure there acts wont harm them ,

 

[Divergent]

People have to fallow the Law of the land , And Islam is very clear about Dress code ,,,,,,,,
One Culture's dressing can not be use in other or different Culture ..............
People need to stay safe , and need to make sure there acts wont harm them ,

Chacha I agree

 

[Divergent]

There is no point of a "discussion" when there is no opposing point of view and even though I'm no fan of @Zarvan when it comes to his predictions in the defense section, I have no problem in admitting that he does seem somewhat knowledgeable when it comes to the religion.

The fact that you already protest to someone joining a mere discussion at a forum says alot about the strength of your arguments to be quite frank with you. My reasoning to your points wasn't even religious and I haven't seen a response as yet

I've engaged with him on this subject so I already know

There is no point of a "discussion" when there is no opposing point of view and even though I'm no fan of @Zarvan when it comes to his predictions in the defense section, I have no problem in admitting that he does seem somewhat knowledgeable when it comes to the religion.

The fact that you already protest to someone joining a mere discussion at a forum says alot about the strength of your arguments to be quite frank with you. My reasoning to your points wasn't even religious and I haven't seen a response as yet

FYI: my points are brief and short because I'm currently feasting and food comes first. #Priorities

 

[abdulbarijan]

I've engaged with him on this subject so I already know

and most people can predict your position on the topic ... so why the thread
It's not about an individuals opinion in a discussion, when many individuals make opposing points only then can we really look at the pros and cons and form a good opinion. Having a discussion about a subject matter and only talking to people who are like minded isn't really fruitful tbh.
This is why the west is way ahead of us, you guys at unis could come up with the most outlandish of opinions and test your arguments in debates with other students, and now you have "safe spaces" ....

FYI: my points are brief and short because I'm currently feasting and food comes first. #Priorities

and here I thought women were supposedly better at multitasking #stereotypes

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Knowing something about religion and understanding it are two different things---.

Just like---one can read a book----but does the book divulge its secrets to that person ( Naeem Bukhari ).

Any Islamist who does not wage a war against Rape, child, molestation, sodomy, abuse against women and girls and children, acid attacks---he is a liar deceitful and deceptive---.