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F-16, Su-30MKI Face Off During Singapore-India Joint Military Exercise

That was MIG 31 Not Mig 25

Six MiG 31 s BOXED in 2 SR 71s and drove them away

The Aviationist » How the Mig-31 repelled the SR-71 Blackbird from Soviet skies
Thanks for correcting me, I will correct my post

Russian weapons are meant to work – they are workhorses. In 1958, before Western corporate interests and journalism became bedfellows, here’s what TIME magazine wrote: “Russian weapons are generally simpler in design and more mobile. For too long the West believed that the Soviets made simple weapons because they were too unsophisticated to make complex ones. Now the West realizes that the simplicity bespeaks a high state of engineering skill.”

A classic case is that of the MiG-25 Foxbat mach 3 interceptor. Designed to combat the American Valkyrie bomber that never materialised, it became a major scare word among NATO pilots throughout the 1970s. The chief reason was the Foxbat could fly faster and climb higher – often to the edge of space – than any Western aircraft. It was a mystery in the West until 1976 when a defector flew a MiG-25 to Japan.

When the US National Air & Space Intelligence Center dismantled the aircraft they found the on-board avionics were based on vacuum-tube technology rather than solid-state electronics. There was derisive laughter in the Pentagon when they came to know the Russians were using outdated technology in their most advanced aircraft.

But the Americans continued to deliberate why the Russians were using vacuum tubes. It took them many years to find out that the person who had designed the Foxbat was as clever as a fox. With the vacuum tubes the MiG-25’s radar had enormous power to burn through – that is, it was invulnerable to – any electronic jamming. And, the Pentagon generals were devastated to know, the vacuum tubes made the aircraft’s systems resistant to an electromagnetic pulse (EMP, about which the Russians knew long before the West did), meaning that in the event of a nuclear war the Foxbat would be the only – yes the only – aircraft flying on the planet.

Today, 45 years after its first flight, the Foxbat remains the world’s fastest fighter – able to outrun every Western fighter that has been in service. Ever.

Blackbird grounding mystery


No comparison of Russian and Western weapons would be complete without looking into the sudden retirement of the stealth SR-71 spy plane. Nicknamed Blackbird for its distinctive black silhouette, it could fly higher and faster than any aircraft in the world. For nearly two decades, it flew unopposed clicking images over Vietnam, Cuba, Libya and any country the US targeted as an enemy before the CIA suddenly retired it.

While no reason was ever put out by the spooks at the agency, defence experts cite the development of the MiG-31 Foxhound as a key factor. When you retire a plane that is able to outrun everything, it perhaps has something to do with the fact that on June 3, 1986 over the Barents Sea six MiG-31s performed a co-ordinated intercept against an SR-71. The aerial pincer simulated an all-angle AAM attack that the Blackbird’s high speed, high altitude and ECM capability could not have defeated. The rattled American pilots took off; the SR-71 was never seen near Russian borders after that incident.
 
I'll Enlighten You Son,

The Year is : 2006

For 25 years it was India’s elusive eye in the sky, keeping a constant watch over the enemy deep inside his own territory and yet remaining beyond his reach. It was the awesome MiG-25, capable of flying too fast and too high to care much about enemy radars, fighters and missiles.

After all those secret missions over Pakistan and China, the MiG-25s are now set to retire. They are at the end of their lifespan, and so prohibitively expensive to maintain and operate. The formal de-commissioning ceremony is scheduled to be held at the Bareilly Air Force Station, where these aircraft are based, on May 1. The present MiG-25 squadron members as well as officers and personnel who had served in the squadron earlier, including those who have retired, would be attending the ceremony.


It is no secret that the MiG-25 flew in hostile airspace as a matter of routine, though, of course, there are no public records to validate this. One incident which lends credence to this is a “sonic boom” heard over Islamabad in May 1997, which is attributable to a MiG-25 deliberately going supersonic to pique the Pakistanis. The boom caused panic amongst the residents of Islamabad. According to reports, the Pakistani Air Force scrambled its F-16s, but the MiG-25 was too fast and too high for them.

Cruising in the outer fringes of the atmosphere, the 40-tonne MiG-25 had no parallel in the arena of gathering high value intelligence and strategic reconnaissance, and gave the IAF an immense advantage. Flying at nearly three times the speed of sound at altitudes above 90,000 feet, it was too high and fast for any fighter to intercept or missile to lock on to. Their task would now be taken over by satellites and unmanned aerial vehicles, supplemented with combat aircraft equipped with reconnaissance pods.

The MiG-25s are also believed to have monitored Chinese troop movements in NEFA following reports of incursions in the eighties and early nineties, photographed militant training camps across the Line of Control, mapped enemy positions during Operation Vijay in Kargil in 1999 and kept a close eye on Pakistani formations during Operation Parakram in 2002. Given the capabilities of its high-powered cameras, it could have accomplished much of the work while flying within Indian airspace.

It was in 1981 that the Indian Air Force procured eight MiG-25R single seat reconnaissance aircraft and two MiG-25U conversion trainers from the erstwhile Soviet Union. These were flown to India in a dismantled state and assembled and flight-tested by the Russians at Bareilly. The induction of these aircraft led to the IAF raising the highly secretive No.102 Squadron, nicknamed Trisonics, with Wg Cdr A. Singh as its first Commanding Officer (CO). Codenamed Foxbat by NATO, the aircraft was christened Garuda by the IAF, after the high flying celestial mount of Lord Vishnu in Indian mythology.

The MiG-25 made its official debut in Indian skies on August 25, 1981, when the then Chief of the Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal I.H. Latif flew a sortie in a two-seater trainer. A month before he retired, he took a MiG-25 up to 90,000 feet.

For induction of the MiG-25, a 14-member team of pilots and engineering officers were sent to Russia for training. “It was an intense course lasting six months, consisting of theoretical classes as well as practicals” Air Cmde S.S. Bisht (retd), who was among the Trisonics’ founding members, said. Normally, such pre-induction courses last 3–4 months. “There was a lot of work to be done in the initial stages and the aircraft were in the air every day. Regular night sorties were also flown,” he added.

A mere handful of lucky pilots got to fly the mean machine. Only officers of the level of wing commanders and above who had sufficient experience flying fighters were selected for the squadron. “Given the requirements, we wanted pilots who were senior enough and since flying was restricted due to the nature of operations, pilots who had almost finished their active flying life were chosen,” former Vice Chief of Air Staff, Air Marshal P.S Brar said.

Air Marshal Brar also had a chance to fly in a trainer version and he termed the sortie as a “phenomenal experience”. He said that one can count on his fingertips, the number of people who get to fly at nearly three times the speed of sound at a height of over 20 kilometers.

The MiG-25 was designed for reconnaissance and high altitude interception as a counter to the US SR-71 Blackbird strategic reconnaissance aircraft and the XB-70 Valkyrie strategic bombers, both of which were capable of Mach 3 performance. While the super-secret Blackbird remained in US service for several decades, the Valkyrie never went into production.

On October 5, 1967, the MiG-25 set a record of 1852.61 mph (2981 kmph) and carried a 2,000 kg payload to an altitude of 98,349 feet (30 kms). Soviets have taken a MiG 25 to an altitude of 1,23,000 feet.

A slew of altitude and speed records broken by the MiG-25 led to former US Secretary of the Air Force, Robert Seamans describing the MiG-25 as “probably the best interceptor in production in the world today”. Two versions were developed, one a combat version armed with four AA-6 Acrid long range air to air missiles and the other a reconnaissance version carrying several cameras in its nose. A two-seater version for conversion training was also developed.

And Then This "Catch me - IF YOU CAN" Happened :

Sonic boom that was heard across the region: In May 1997, an IAF Mikoyan MiG-25RB reconnaissance aircraft created a furore when the pilot flew faster than Mach 2 over Islamabad following a reconnaissance mission into Pakistan airspace. The Foxbat broke the sound barrier while flying at an altitude of around 65,000 feet over Islamabad to pique the Pakistanis where otherwise the mission would have remained covert at least to the general public.


The sonic boom was heard through most of Islamabad and created quite a ripple. The Pakistan Government considered the breaking of the sound barrier as deliberate act to make the point that the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) had no aircraft in its inventory which can come close to the cruising height of the MiG-25.

The PAF to their credit did scramble their F-16s to intercept our cheerful intruder but to no avail. The F-16 goes up to only 55,000' and by the time the F-16s would get up to that altitude the MiG-25 could easily be 125 kms away even at its cruise speed. To the observer on the ground a sonic boom sounds like a loud repeated thunder clap you normally associate with a thunder storm.
Elsewhere you were complaining about bandwidth being wasted on the subject of PAF acquiring the F-35...just look at your post, wonder if PDF started charging for each post and space used, would you be so active in detail...any ways let me spoon feed you.
we are discussing combat aircraft,...... aircraft meant for aerial engagements with other combat aircraft not some bloody one off chest thumping flight.... which in any case was meant for reconnaissance....where the aircraft service ceiling DID matter.....since you have gone to so much trouble to make some kind of impression, so Beta Ji, let me inform you that this exercise was carried out by the PAF fifty years earlier where unlike the IAF, it repeatedly broke the sound barrier at tree top height.

 


Aaan Haan,


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aircraft meant for aerial engagements with other combat aircraft

So MIG 27, MIG 23, mig 24, mig 34, jaguar, are not combat aircraft because they are ground attack or bomber.

which in any case was meant for reconnaissance

MIG-25 was equiped with two 2 WVR missile, WAS they were mounted on its pylon for show, or to make the balance of its wings during its flight.

let me inform you that this exercise was carried out by the PAF fifty years earlier where unlike the IAF, it repeatedly broke the sound barrier at tree top height.

Which exercise Jammi Bhai. And at tree top height broking the sound barrier, pls quote me the link for your claim, i am very much interested. and the video you just posted, make me worry I am quoting to a guy who still lives in 1965 age, and still thinking that the Pakistani pilot skill are so superior to Indians that 18 pakistani pilot on f-16 will distroy whole IAF with 200 + MKI, jaguar, mirrage 2000 UPG, and MIG 29UPG



And Jammi Bhai still waiting for your response for the question I asked from all pakistani member earlier, and this F-16, Su-30MKI Face Off During Singapore-India Joint Military Exercise | Page 4
 
To be frank, i'm not sure what benefit that offers in air to air combat.
The one who flies higher and has more powerful Radar and more Long range BVRs can shoot down an equally potent enemy much more early & with ease as he has first look & altitude advantage which not onli gives him look down shoot down edge but also 10K feet advantage gives him much needed protection from anty radar jamming you SIR with almost 18.7K posts & 39.7K likes should know"one who flies higher & faster has the edge in air combat" this is a basic rule of air combat since you also have an aviator in your DP. you should have known it :lol:
 
The one who flies higher and has more powerful Radar and more Long range BVRs can shoot down an equally potent enemy much more early & with ease as he has first look & altitude advantage which not onli gives him look down shoot down edge but also 10K feet advantage gives him much needed protection from anty radar jamming you SIR with almost 18.7K posts & 39.7K likes should know"one who flies higher & faster has the edge in air combat" this is a basic rule of air combat since you also have an aviator in your DP. you should have known it :lol:
True the BVR when fires from higher altitude will have more range, also the speed of the platform also affects the range of the BVR. Also, when we talking about the BVR, the MAWS, and the Jammer, and the countermeasures could not work properly, if the BVR is comming from the top or higher altitude, this is how the F-22 raptor's modified AM 120C-9 BVRAAM works aka top attack profile, so that the jammers, MAWs could not know the BVR is comming and pilot could not take the defensive manuveour and countermeasures.
 
No surprise there. Singaporean airforce has stationed one squadron of F-16 block52+ in India for 8 years now.

Hey @kaykay Buddy Just wondering do U feed their F-16 too....:omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:....
Call that man a Champ for now onward....!!!
 
When you watch Indians inducting 3 aircrafts against 1 aircraft of PAF in their doctrines but advocating that RSAF pilots are good than PAF pilots.
 
When you watch Indians inducting 3 aircrafts against 1 aircraft of PAF in their doctrines but advocating that RSAF pilots are good than PAF pilots.
You Sir dont know a cent about modern air combat or you wont have made fun of IAF in keeping three different types of fighter jets :lol:
 
The one who flies higher and has more powerful Radar and more Long range BVRs can shoot down an equally potent enemy much more early & with ease as he has first look & altitude advantage which not onli gives him look down shoot down edge but also 10K feet advantage gives him much needed protection from anty radar jamming you SIR with almost 18.7K posts & 39.7K likes should know"one who flies higher & faster has the edge in air combat" this is a basic rule of air combat since you also have an aviator in your DP. you should have known it :lol:

Thank you for the much needed entertainment, hope the IAF also adopts these tactics, make an approach at say 50 000 + feet, let the GCI or an AWACS pick you up like a sitting duck and fire a couple of high altitude SAMs, no need to scramble any fighters.:laugh:...
Ever heard of the term, tree top height or below radar cover, the height and BVR certainly didn't help your Fulcrum flight as they were left exposed for a good twenty minutes to even WVR F-16s before being alerted by Indian GCI.... and before criticising someone's post count or avatar, one should have the moral to adopt originality. :pop:
 
Most probably with no new BVR missile in the league of Derby ER or may be Meteor types or much more modern BVR with enlarged No Escape Zone, the BVR combat itself will become more favourable of IAF.

I am very interested on Novator or K100. Its NEZ is suppose to be very high and yet i am not having much links . IF anyone has some more elaborate details on the Awacs killer and its induction into IAF inventory, will be greatful.
 
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