F-16 deal no longer a viable offer, says US

[MastanKhan]

I see...they misuse the word Islam and Islam is actually being damaged by them the most. They own most the large banks with the Zionist Jews and earn usury .....which is extremely impermissible in Islamic law.

Sir,

You are misinformed---they don't earn usury----there is no sood dar sood on any transaction---and there are no outrageous interest rates----.

Please don't mix usury with simple interest rate.

 

[salarsikander]

When you did not have the money to eat and buy food---did they tell you go starve---when you did not have fuel to burn----did they tell you to go pound sand---.

What a disgusting character trait the you pakistani kids have---so you kids showed your real face----when your brother needed you the most.

And yes that was paid in full. Who was their to bring these desert dwellers to tables to form OIC ? Who provided them with essential military training, who helped them in developing world class airlines and set up capacity building of their airforce and navy for that matter, assistance so valuable that even sometimes money cannot buy it. Who was there when they were fighting Iraq for power to protect the royal arse. You see sir, we have paid our debt in full. It was during post 9/11 Drama that entire scenario changed and slowly we came to realise what really matters to these ARABS. Ummah concept is lone gone dead, trashed and binned. I repeat it is long DEAD. The only thing the relationship is based around is 'mutual interest' if it does not suit us why pursue it.

Sir,

Only COWARDS & those who have deceit in their hearts are neutral---. They did not let go of you when you had sanctions---.

Yes, they were also provided with Nuke umbrella weren't they ?

And it was clearly stated that when sovereignty of so Called Islamic kingdom is threatened, then it would invoke a wrathful response from us. I am yet to see any such encroachment of sovereignty

 

[Av8er]

Hi,

First of all---you pakistani need to learn the reality of life---all armies are mercenary armies.

You are mad at the U S for not coming to your aid in 1971---would that be a mercenary role---you want china to come help you in duress against india and the U S---would that be mercenary army---.

When Yousuf Bin Tashfeen invaded spain---or Tariq Bin Ziyyad---was that a mercenary army as well.

When King Richard invaded Jerusalem---were those mercenary armies---and those 4 wars-----.

When muslims invaded persia and syria what then---they also were mercenary armies---.

All these great armies and heroes were for the spoils of war---for loot and plunder---Maal A Ghanimat---they were all mercenaries---regardless of whose side they were on.

Every soldier is a glorified mercenary---only that he has a full time job and is paid by the state.

When you did not have the money to eat and buy food---did they tell you go starve---when you did not have fuel to burn----did they tell you to go pound sand---.

What a disgusting character trait the you pakistani have---so you showed your real face----when your brother needed you the most.




Sir,

Only COWARDS & those who have deceit in their hearts are neutral---. They did not let go of you when you had sanctions---.

They did us no favors, they know when they are threatened Pakistan will be there to save their ***. We train their forces and our military advisors help set up and manage their armed forces.
I disagree, not all armies are mercenaries. For anyone who hasn't served in their nations armed forces to make such tall claims is hypocritical. I certainly haven't and thus avoid making sweeping statements that I am not qualified to make. I know most of our soldiers neither do it for riches nor glory. They do it out of unconditional love for their country. Please do not disrespect the sacrifices of our men in uniform.

Hi,

If we think that we are bleeding much---then you have yet to see bad times coming---. You just got a glimpse of what is to come---.

Pakistani---there is always a SOB STORY---a Randi Rona---.

Bleeding too much is of your own screw ups---. This association would have opened new job venues and economic and military growth---.

You could have built up another 150--200 thousand troops---anpother 10-15 sqdrns of aircraft---another 10 armored divisions----a 100 plus helicopter gfleet---a seperate navy and submarine fleet.

That would have resulted in job for over 1---2 million pakistanis---and you would have had the influence to kick put the indians.

You chose to be alone at the time when your friends needed you---you will stay alone---.

If you guys were so clever and intelligent in your decision making----then why are you in a sh-it can.

Sirji
10-15 squadrons, 10 divisons, 150-200k troops etc. etc bat nahi rahey. No one will be sponsoring such a large force, and it certainly not expected. May Allah protect Pakistan from all its enemies and naysayers! Ameen! No one expected Pakistan to survive after independence yet we did and we shall prevail inshAllah!

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

What a true character of pakistanis----how do you pay off friends----. How can one pay off a debt of having their lives saved----.

It becomes and eternal bond of camaradrie---and you guys just shake it of like dirt of your clothes.

Indeed---when the american congressmen and senators talk about pakistanis----they are right on spot.

They did us no favors, they know when they are threatened Pakistan will be there to save their ***. We train their forces and our military advisors help set up and manage their armed forces.
I disagree, not all armies are mercenaries. For anyone who hasn't served in their nations armed forces to make such tall claims is hypocritical. I certainly haven't and thus avoid making sweeping statements that I am not qualified to make. I know most of our soldiers neither do it for riches nor glory. They do it out of unconditional love for their country. Please do not disrespect the sacrifices of our men in uniform.



Sirji
10-15 squadrons, 10 divisons, 150-200k troops etc. etc bat nahi rahey. No one will be sponsoring such a large force, and it certainly not expected. May Allah protect Pakistan from all its enemies and naysayers! Ameen! No one expected Pakistan to survive after independence yet we did and we shall prevail inshAllah!

Sir,

How did you know that was not possible.

 

[Av8er]

Hi,

What a true character of pakistanis----how do you pay off friends----. How can one pay off a debt of having their lives saved----.

It becomes and eternal bond of camaradrie---and you guys just shake it of like dirt of your clothes.

Indeed---when the american congressmen and senators talk about pakistanis----they are right on spot.


Sir,

How did you know that was not possible.

How do you know it is?

What credentials other than your PDF tenure qualifiies you to bash Pakistan and Pakistanis? Maybe you should take off the Pakistan flag off your profile, since all I have read from all you have posted is mostly criticism without qualifying your claims. According to you everyone in Pakistan armed forces leadership is an idiot and have no clue what they are talking about.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Were we waiting for F16 , I was more occupied with the news on arrival of Suzuki Alto in Pakistan

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Were we waiting for F16 , I was more occupied with the news on arrival of Suzuki Alto in Pakistan

 

[Post Colonnial]

That's BS. The real story is, Lockheed martin need their F-16 production line workforce employed until they can be transition into F-35 production line. They lobbies to US govt and congress to keep their line rolling. US offered only 8 F-16 to Pakistan to keep them employed until F-35 start full speed production. Last month lockheed martin started full speed production of F-35 and congress pull the plug on Pakistani F-16 aid. I mean think about it, Pakistan will get this money anyway, but not for F-16 anymore cuz US wants Pakistan to place order for other stuff that will keep some other industry rolling. If anyone heard about the story of Boeing C-17 Globemaster, it was all politics. USAF end up buying more C-17 than required and overpriced, cuz it was supporting industries in many stated and there was a pressure to keep buying from different congressmen.

how do you figure Pakistan getting the money? According to this report ONLY if you start actions against haqqani gangsters

 

[risingsinga]

From 500 years now, when a historian or a novelist will write about love affairs of 21st century, he/she will note that "there was a strange love affair that fades all the love affairs....Anthony-Cleopatra, Laila-Majnoon all just fade ....but it was different right from the start since the object of affection was not a woman or a man and it was not even between two individuals ,....it was between youngs pilots of PAF and American F-16s.........that love is unprecedented till this day....This life long love affair started around 1980s when the young pilots of PAF first saw her.....there she was standing....with her wings spread wide, pointy nose, and she was curvaceous and smooth skin...she was different and wild, could do things that none could do....she danced in the air like a free spirit and her gyrations were energetic but still poetically smooth, she performed each step so aesthetically every time as it were a perfectly choreographed act... and her sound could stop hearts and a ride in her was an ecstatic experience.....but her father uncle sam did not approve of this love affair... He warned the young suitors of his daughter to stay away from her...but they refused...other girls were interested in them but were captivated by her beauty as if the time had stopped, growth of their brains had stopped ....they were just mesmerized, hypnotised, stupefied and petrified by her charms.... they cried...they sobbed...time passed but their love only got stronger"

Lolzzz I really felt that F-16 was a seductive girl but I guess the mindset of PAF will change. Not all pilots are like

 

[MastanKhan]

How do you know it is?

What credentials other than your PDF tenure qualifiies you to bash Pakistan and Pakistanis? Maybe you should take off the Pakistan flag off your profile, since all I have read from all you have posted is mostly criticism without qualifying your claims. According to you everyone in Pakistan armed forces leadership is an idiot and have no clue what they are talking about.

Hi,

Maybe you and the likes of you need to take the pakistani flag off your avatar and life----because the like of you with these comments and mentality are the real enemies of pakistan.

Not only me---the world also says the same thing about the pakistan generals---they are just being polite----.

Somebody with any sense would see how cornered pak military is at this time---and that is because of its generals---.

 

[FunkyGen]

World will move to star wars, yet PAF will be still looking for F16s in some junk yards. the reason: We have already well established infra and support system in PAF for F16s and induction of new system will be costly and time consuming. This excuse will be valid till the day of judgement if one look into it. Lazy and lax attitude to be honest.

It's a national attitude, only problem is that if we bring it into our forces we'll get another 71... Pakistan hamesha qaim rahega... fukin bluff we keep feeding ourselves we already chopped ourselves...

 

[Immortan.Joe]

What's your prove the Saudi 72 Typhoon deal for 7.4 billion didn't include weapons?

It was a decade ago and Saudis are never interested in ToT or offsets, so this automatically makes Saudi deal cheaper compared to the type that India is negotiating with France. And then it is not completely clear as to what they brought in this package. It may be only for plane+spares with Saudis buying weapons as they go. For someone with money like Saudis, buying weapons overtime may be a good strategy. It inflates cost of weapons as you could not negotiate it as part of package, but you get first dibs on most sophisticated weapons, and Saudis are not short of money.

 

[Av8er]

Hi,

Maybe you and the likes of you need to take the pakistani flag off your avatar and life----because the like of you with these comments and mentality are the real enemies of pakistan.

Not only me---the world also says the same thing about the pakistan generals---they are just being polite----.

Somebody with any sense would see how cornered pak military is at this time---and that is because of its generals---.

Im not the one bashing Pakistan. You are, and I am the enemy of Pakistan? Really?
You and your BS statements, rants and superiority complex without any credentials to back up your claims are all too common on this forum. Pakistan is in the position it is because of the spineless and corrupt politicians that are busy filling their pockets endlessly!

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

A friend in need is a friend indeed---. And how do you know who is a true friend---the one who is there when you are desperate.

We have so many people bad mouthing the arabs, because we got a few bucks in our pockets now----. But ain't these the same arabs that we asked help from thru all our hard time---they were not any lesser a'holes before---so then why was it okay to seek benefits from them and not call them who they were on their faces at that time.

Why this MUNFIQAT now---? Now people---look at it this way---if KalBhoshan Yadev had been caught before the Yemen attacks---and Mullah Mansour Killed before as well---would pakistan have stood by silently.

I am pretty sure that there are voices of discontent and concern since the capture of Kalbhoshan and then the execution of Mullah Mansour at the GHQ---.

I am pretty sure that there are a few who are regretting the decision of non action as well.

So---is it too late for alliance----. I really don't think so----. I think that there is still time to act and salvage the situation.

The intentions of Iran, India & Afghanistan against pakistan have never been clearer. But the problem is that the pakistanis simply cannot understand and comprehend the changing scenario.

And how big of a duf--er they are---well look at their air force----the americans had been telling them openly---you cannot have the F16's and the paf does not believe it---till the americans had to really ram it home----you morons--you cannot get the F16's---can't you hear it.

if there is so much deficit of common sense and lack of understanding in the military on this issue---then how can you think that they have a better grip of things on other issues.

If the trained people ie the military---does not have comprehension to understand the meaning of the message----then how can the average pakistani Ahmed / Muhammad have the capability to decipher the information.