F-16 deal no longer a viable offer, says US

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

That is another slap on the face of Paf----another disgrace.

 

[war&peace]

Hi,

That is another slap on the face of Paf----another disgrace.

From 500 years now, when a historian or a novelist will write about love affairs of 21st century, he/she will note that "there was a strange love affair that fades all the love affairs....Anthony-Cleopatra, Laila-Majnoon all just fade ....but it was different right from the start since the object of affection was not a woman or a man and it was not even between two individuals ,....it was between youngs pilots of PAF and American F-16s.........that love is unprecedented till this day....This life long love affair started around 1980s when the young pilots of PAF first saw her.....there she was standing....with her wings spread wide, pointy nose, and she was curvaceous and smooth skin...she was different and wild, could do things that none could do....she danced in the air like a free spirit and her gyrations were energetic but still poetically smooth, she performed each step so aesthetically every time as it were a perfectly choreographed act... and her sound could stop hearts and a ride in her was an ecstatic experience.....but her father uncle sam did not approve of this love affair... He warned the young suitors of his daughter to stay away from her...but they refused...other girls were interested in them but were captivated by her beauty as if the time had stopped, growth of their brains had stopped ....they were just mesmerized, hypnotised, stupefied and petrified by her charms.... they cried...they sobbed...time passed but their love only got stronger"

 

[salarsikander]

All of this could have been avoided had Pakistan taken a firm decision regarding the Iran-Saudi Arabia issue. It simply chickened out and now Iran continues its belligerence in tandem with India allowing the later to set up shops in its territories to destabilize Pakistan. India inches closer to the Saudis & the Gulf. So in one swift move, Pakistan ruined relations with tested friends and got no favors from Iran. Meanwhile, India is running with the hares and hunting with the hounds.

My view is that Pakistan should go the Israeli model and downsize its army and put more resources on its Air Force & Navy because all modern wars are decided by air power. Reducing the army to 250k-300k levels will allow meager resources to go to the Air Force and navy while increasing the competency and effectiveness of the army itself. But I suspect there will be deep opposition to this restructuring by vested interests. If I remember correctly, at one point Musharraf was advocating the downsizing of the army.



Depends on what type of the Eurofighter. Saudi Arabia got 72 Typhoons for $7.4 Billion
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBREA1I0UI20140219

Sorry but really we are not interested in fighting with cowards and hypocrites, who only calls us when they can't handle jack shit.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sorry but really we are not interested in fighting with cowards and hypocrites, who only calls us when they can't handle jack shit.

Really---is that how you treat your brothers who are in need----.

Is that how EAST INDIA COMPANY dealt with the Rajas and maharajas of hindustan when they asked for help----" you paan eating stained brown toother itar smelling opium smoking hookah carrying dark skinned evil person "---no they stated---we are your servants and we will help you.

And then they took over the area slowly but slowly---.

That was pakistan's east india company moment.

 

[guest11]

Here we go again, dusting off the list of the aircraft Pakistan can buy instead of F-16.

Su-35, Su-34, MiG-35, Typhoon, J-20, J-10B/C/D, J-31, J-16, JH-7B, and according to defence analyst Maria Sultan, F-22 and Tu-22.

This is exactly the reason this forum gets so addictive.

 

[khail007]

It seems we are now back to square.
Is PAF willing to embark on journey anew and leave behind the love of F16?
Is not it seems to be a difficult time (financially) to acquire funds for a new project?
Keeping in view the above what should be the most viable and practicle approach for PAF, considering the rapidly changing scenario around us?

 

[Djinn]

Hi,

That is another slap on the face of Paf----another disgrace.

Well said......But it is also a slap on the face of the party which always say "PAF knows better than you", "PAF knows what it is doing", "PAF is a very professional organization doesn't make mistakes.....blah blah blah"

 

[Mrc]

thanks God this deal is dead.....

these f16s would have been a maintainance night mare even if they are provided for free....

hopefully they will get some thing sensible and non sanctionable now....

 

[salarsikander]

Really---is that how you treat your brothers who are in need----.

Is that how EAST INDIA COMPANY dealt with the Rajas and maharajas of hindustan when they asked for help----" you paan eating stained brown toother itar smelling opium smoking hookah carrying dark skinned evil person "---no they stated---we are your servants and we will help you.

And then they took over the area slowly but slowly---.

That was pakistan's east india company moment.

With all due and utmost respect sir,

Every relation requires reciprocity in any from. You can't expect one side to do all your shit work, while you go on and call india your second home. Award the butcher with highest civil award and then, when we refuse, because we were already bleeding too much, they send their grand mufti to garner support ! Like seriously where were these burka clad hypocrites for past 12 years ?? A junior minister from UAE threatening us with dire consequences IF we not fight for Islam !!. So now these people who have worlds largest casino, Pimps of Eastern European girl will fight for Islam.

 

[M.SAAD]

Bad news for Pakistan, F-16 was clearly the best air craft PAF could afford under its current budget .

 

[Av8er]

Really---is that how you treat your brothers who are in need----.

Is that how EAST INDIA COMPANY dealt with the Rajas and maharajas of hindustan when they asked for help----" you paan eating stained brown toother itar smelling opium smoking hookah carrying dark skinned evil person "---no they stated---we are your servants and we will help you.

And then they took over the area slowly but slowly---.

That was pakistan's east india company moment.

I doubt you understand the disdain showed to Pakistanis by Saudis. Brothers don't treat brothers like $hit. Cant fight their own battles and expect Pakistan Army to act as their mercenary Army.

 

[MastanKhan]

With all due and utmost respect sir,

Every relation requires reciprocity in any from. You can't expect one side to do all your shit work, while you go on and call india your second home. Award the butcher with highest civil award and then, when we refuse, because we were already bleeding too much, they send their grand mufti to garner support ! Like seriously where were these burka clad hypocrites for past 12 years ?? A junior minister from UAE threatening us with dire consequences IF we not fight for Islam !!. So now these people who have worlds largest casino, Pimps of Eastern European girl will fight for Islam.

Hi,

If we think that we are bleeding much---then you have yet to see bad times coming---. You just got a glimpse of what is to come---.

Pakistani---there is always a SOB STORY---a Randi Rona---.

Bleeding too much is of your own screw ups---. This association would have opened new job venues and economic and military growth---.

You could have built up another 150--200 thousand troops---anpother 10-15 sqdrns of aircraft---another 10 armored divisions----a 100 plus helicopter gfleet---a seperate navy and submarine fleet.

That would have resulted in job for over 1---2 million pakistanis---and you would have had the influence to kick put the indians.

You chose to be alone at the time when your friends needed you---you will stay alone---.

If you guys were so clever and intelligent in your decision making----then why are you in a sh-it can.

 

[salarsikander]

Hi,

If we think that we are bleeding much---then you have yet to see bad times coming---. You just got a glimpse of what is to come---.

Pakistani---there is always a SOB STORY---a Randi Rona---.

Bleeding too much is of your own screw ups---. This association would have opened new job venues and economic and military growth---.

You could have built up another 150--200 thousand troops---anpother 10-15 sqdrns of aircraft---another 10 armored divisions----a 100 plus helicopter gfleet---a seperate navy and submarine fleet.

That would have resulted in job for over 1---2 million pakistanis---and you would have had the influence to kick put the indians.

You chose to be alone at the time when your friends needed you---you will stay alone---.

If you guys were so clever and intelligent in your decision making----then why are you in a sh-it can.

Hi Sire,

The fact that we choose to remain neutral was the best choice I belief we had taken in years. Getting bogged down in Monkey wars Btw bedouins and mullah would only invite further shit to our soil. The fact that after American Pivot in Asia and Chinese looking through a safe passage from us is the best news since the birth of this country. We should rather focus on that and cleaning the shit that we got ourselves into after soviet invasion of AFGHanistan. Gulf Funds are being dried up as we speak , with US congress passing the bill, they have nothing to fight against. Believe this is the repeat drama of 80's when US unilaterally froze their assets, the development of Yanbu was stuck back then and of many other industrial cities that we see today in arabia, All of these could have been built back in late 80's.

Those friends left us in deep shit, are making several deals with Indians, and they only call us for cleaning their shit ! no way, not anymore, I would rather focus on what's happening inside my borders and on CPEC then I would go fingering around.

 

[MastanKhan]

I doubt you understand the disdain showed to Pakistanis by Saudis. Brothers don't treat brothers like $hit. Cant fight their own battles and expect Pakistan Army to act as their mercenary Army.

Hi,

First of all---you pakistani need to learn the reality of life---all armies are mercenary armies.

You are mad at the U S for not coming to your aid in 1971---would that be a mercenary role---you want china to come help you in duress against india and the U S---would that be mercenary army---.

When Yousuf Bin Tashfeen invaded spain---or Tariq Bin Ziyyad---was that a mercenary army as well.

When King Richard invaded Jerusalem---were those mercenary armies---and those 4 wars-----.

When muslims invaded persia and syria what then---they also were mercenary armies---.

All these great armies and heroes were for the spoils of war---for loot and plunder---Maal A Ghanimat---they were all mercenaries---regardless of whose side they were on.

Every soldier is a glorified mercenary---only that he has a full time job and is paid by the state.

When you did not have the money to eat and buy food---did they tell you go starve---when you did not have fuel to burn----did they tell you to go pound sand---.

What a disgusting character trait the you pakistani have---so you showed your real face----when your brother needed you the most.

Hi Sire,

The fact that we choose to remain neutral was the best choice I belief we had taken in years. Getting bogged down in Monkey wars Btw bedouins and mullah would only invite further shit to our soil. The fact that after American Pivot in Asia and Chinese looking through a safe passage from us is the best news since the birth of this country. We should rather focus on that and cleaning the shit that we got ourselves into after soviet invasion of AFGHanistan. Gulf Funds are being dried up as we speak , with US congress passing the bill, they have nothing to fight against. Believe this is the repeat drama of 80's when US unilaterally froze their assets, the development of Yanbu was stuck back then and of many other industrial cities that we see today in arabia, All of these could have been built back in late 80's.

Those friends left us in deep shit, are making several deals with Indians, and they only call us for cleaning their shit ! no way, not anymore, I would rather focus on what's happening inside my borders and on CPEC then I would go fingering around.

Sir,

Only COWARDS & those who have deceit in their hearts are neutral---. They did not let go of you when you had sanctions---.

 

[risingsinga]

With all due and utmost respect sir,

Every relation requires reciprocity in any from. You can't expect one side to do all your shit work, while you go on and call india your second home. Award the butcher with highest civil award and then, when we refuse, because we were already bleeding too much, they send their grand mufti to garner support ! Like seriously where were these burka clad hypocrites for past 12 years ?? A junior minister from UAE threatening us with dire consequences IF we not fight for Islam !!. So now these people who have worlds largest casino, Pimps of Eastern European girl will fight for Islam.

I see...they misuse the word Islam and Islam is actually being damaged by them the most. They own most the large banks with the Zionist Jews and earn usury .....which is extremely impermissible in Islamic law.