Exiled Afghan warlords form resistance council to fight Taliban

[El Sidd]

Different groups Turkic People have many similarities but a lot of differences too. But the Turkic identity is what makes us relate to each other.

it's a linguistic group thing

 

[Steppe Wolff]

it's a linguistic group thing

But the sense of a common Turkic Identity is very strong. Not sure about Tajiks, but is is prevalent among us Uzbeks.

 

[El Sidd]

But the sense of a common Turkic Identity is very strong. Not sure about Tajiks, but is is prevalent among us Uzbeks.

It's not that simple. Of course an Uzbek would claim stronger inter communal ties over Tajiks.

It's just a mode of survival, stronger it gets the more farther you move from the heartland.

 

[PakAlp]

It seems you are not aware of ground realities bro. Tajiks are not that close to turks, they consider themselves different but do accept Turkish roots. Tajikistan is also an ally of india and Russia and would not go beyond a certain level with Turkey.
You are also wrong about saudi influence on taliban, u obviously have a biasness against them but reality is that taliban are deobandi and consider wahabis as gumraah. Saudis helped by orders of US against USSR and that is it, later on taliban stopped them funding wahabi madrassas and kicked out arabs. Its been decades that relations between taliban and saudi are not good. Its also evident from the fact that taliban had office in Qatar, which was embargoed by saudi n others.
The Turk influence is in Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan, but they are also influenced by Russia. Afghans generally dont like turks and if u read history ull see pashtuns fought turks many times. So kindly educate urself before passing comments.
Turkey tried to gain some influence in Afghanistan but how is that possible when Turkey is part of NATO, part of those invaders. Pashtuns saw Turkey as ally of invaders and hence didn't give them any respect or response.
Still i think Turkey can have respect and influence through Pakistan and qatar and taliban are likely to see them as friendly but arranging such gatherings will make that difficult.

The point was they're all turkic people, they may be close or not but they are working towards unity. Yes Tajikistan maybe close to Russia and India but Pakistan is also major USA ally, even the sitting government was removed according to PDF members, so we can't go around pointing fingers when we ourselves are in usa camp.

Regarding Taliban, wahabism etc i believe that's a whole new level of discussion. So let's leave that part.

The Afghan pastuns may have fought Turks but they also are fighting Pakistan right now. They refuse to recognise the international border. Turkey is trying to protect the Turkic community in Afghanistan. Tell the Taliban to attack the shias and watch what Iran will do.
Afghanistan belongs to all afghanis and power sharing agreement with unity government must be created for peaceful Afghanistan. It may even benefit Pakistan, maybe Turkish influence will lead to the recognition of the international border.

 

[PakAlp]

Our way of life and culture should be based on Islam as Islam is a complete way of living and a whole system.
Islam is what differentiated us from the other dwellers of subcontinent and gave us our own identity.

And what culture is that? The saudi Petrodollar one which wants to destroy all previous Islamic culture, art, literature. Why do you believe Islamic history is being targeted in Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Mali, Somalia, Yemen? Pakistan has many people who are confused about their beautiful history, culture, art, way of life. This is why they follow either Saudia, India or West. The real Islamic culture and values are part of Pakistan history which our corrupt governments fail to promote.

Pakistanis are not anti Turkish being Turkish or another ethnicity or race does not matter as those Pakistani who love Turkey is because of them being Muslims and a Muslim nation, before Erdogan when Turkey was not Islamic and European no Pakistani or as a mater of fact Muslim of any other Muslim nation had love for modern Turkey. Love is based on Islam. So now if Turkey instead of Islamic brotherhood and Nationalism start promoting racial and ethnic based Nationalism they will lose all that love and support and will be left empty handed just like Arabs.

Turkic nations are only trying to revive their history and culture. They are not promoting this on others, the Turk nations have western and Russian influences but they are trying to find themselves, find their historical art, language, Islam.

 

[SD 10]

So what culture is Pakistan close to? Western? Indian? Chinese? Saudi Najdi?

Allama Iqbal Ra dreamt of Pakistan because he said we Muslims have different culture than Indian Hindus, we are not one nation. Our culture, way of life is different, identity is different. We are more closer to our neighbouring Muslim states, this is where our future lies and their future lies with us.

This is not about Dostum, he may aswell be a terrorist like the TTP or the BachaBaaz.

we don't have to have a close culture to anybody else! Our culture is Pakistani that's it..... Allama iqbal with all due respect is a thinker for last century! Religion is no longer a binding force in 21st century!

That's fine then, why not influence Afghanistan to stop cross border terrorism, start anti TTP operations, recognise the international border. We been waiting for decades for results.

Pakistan should engage with other ethnicities and make power sharing agreement for peaceful Afghanistan. This way Afghanistan will be peaceful and we have ally Turk nations. Unless online Pakistanis have become anti Turkish now.

i mean i dunno if you ahve read history of afg... you wouldn`t be asking me this question. The results that you want will take years but this nation is too restless!

 

[PakAlp]

But the sense of a common Turkic Identity is very strong. Not sure about Tajiks, but is is prevalent among us Uzbeks.

The Turk nations like Turkey was influenced by the west culture, other Turk nations were Russian influenced. This is when they decided we need to work together to promote our history, values, culture, language, art. This will make them closer and bring unity, economy, development. This is also part of the Islamic history and golden era of Islam.

we don't have to have a close culture to anybody else! Our culture is Pakistani that's it..... Allama iqbal with all due respect is a thinker for last century! Religion is no longer a binding force in 21st century!

When did Pakistan ever follow Allama Iqbal Ra and his thinking. His thinking was centuries ahead but our rulers are Usa and Indian slaves, they never worked for Pakistan but worked on behest of USA and then Saudi which is again Usa. Pakistani culture? The starplus, bollywood, Hollywood Saudia influenced one?

 

[Hamza913]

Allama Iqbal Ra dreamt of Pakistan because he said we Muslims have different culture than Indian Hindus, we are not one nation. Our culture, way of life is different, identity is different. We are more closer to our neighbouring Muslim states, this is where our future lies and their future lies with us.

We are not Turkic oml stop LARPing, Pakistanis are almost entirely Indo-Iranian. The western half of our country is closer to Afghanistan, the eastern half is closer to India. Accept this.

Iqbal never said "we wuz Turk Persian Arab" bla bla bla, he just said that Muslims in India are distinct from the Hindu majority, and we are. Still doesn't make us a different race or something.

Our future is not with anyone else but ourselves. We are a nuclear power, act like one.

 

[HttpError]

If Taliban ever want to have a future they should listen to Pakistan and cooperate with Pakistan (Pushtoons) and form a military and economic alliance. Or else other forces will fill the vaccum and Taliban will not be able to rule without strong resistance.

 

[Steppe Wolff]

If Taliban ever want to have a future they should listen to Pakistan and cooperate with Pakistan (Pushtoons) and form a military and economic alliance. Or else other forces will fill the vaccum and Taliban will not be able to rule without strong resistance.

Which other forces will fill the vaccum? Afghanistan is Pashtun Majority. And all ethnic groups in Afghanistan have deep resentments with each other. Afghanistan is just a powder keg. It can blast anytime.

 

[HttpError]

Which other forces will fill the vaccum? Afghanistan is Pashtun Majority. And all ethnic groups in Afghanistan have deep resentments with each other. Afghanistan is just a powder keg. It can blast anytime.

There are many neighbors of Afghanistan who are interested to expand their influence in Afghanistan.

 

[PakAlp]

We are not Turkic oml stop LARPing, Pakistanis are almost entirely Indo-Iranian. The western half of our country is closer to Afghanistan, the eastern half is closer to India. Accept this.

Iqbal never said "we wuz Turk Persian Arab" bla bla bla, he just said that Muslims in India are distinct from the Hindu majority, and we are. Still doesn't make us a different race or something.

Our future is not with anyone else but ourselves. We are a nuclear power, act like one.

Who said we are Turkic? I gave a clear message to you but you didn't get it. Dont make me repeat. A nuclear power that is slave of Usa, Saudi and now India. Good going.
These countries will never allow Pakistan to become what Allama Iqbal Ra wanted Pakistan to be. A independent Islamic nation which protects its Islamic, cultural, historical identity.

 

[Hamza913]

Who said we are Turkic? I gave a clear message to you but you didn't get it. Dont make me repeat. A nuclear power that is slave of Usa, Saudi and now India. Good going.
These countries will never allow Pakistan to become what Allama Iqbal Ra wanted Pakistan to be. A independent Islamic nation which protects its Islamic, cultural, historical identity.

Iqbal would have found your Turkic-obsession to be creepy and gross, you are no better than those who watch Bollywood or follow random Saudis and Americans. You just swapped out Star Plus with Ertugrul and the rest of the Ottoman homo gang.

 

[PakAlp]

Iqbal would have found your Turkic-obsession to be creepy and gross, you are no better than those who watch Bollywood or follow random Saudis and Americans. You just swapped out Star Plus with Ertugrul and the rest of the Ottoman homo gang.

Should do some reading rather than being on PDF making silly comments. Why not make a thread on the Pakistani culture which you want to promote? I am making my points on the Islamic History of Pakistan, the historical Islam of Pakistan, the art, culture, ethnics. This is what Allama Iqbal Ra talked about.

My original message was on Turkic influence in Afghanistan, they are making connections with the Turkic people.

 

[Hamza913]

Should do some reading rather than being on PDF making silly comments. Why not make a thread on the Pakistani culture which you want to promote? I am making my points on the Islamic History of Pakistan, the historical Islam of Pakistan, the art, culture, ethnics. This is what Allama Iqbal Ra talked about.

First of all, there is no such thing as "Pakistani culture". There is Punjabi, Sindhi, Baloch, Pashtun, etc culture though. Pakistani is a civic identity, not an ethnic one.

"Islam" is not an ethnicity either. It's a religion. Stop conflating categories.