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EXCLUSIVE : Was PRE-ISLAMIC ARABIA Hindu Nation ? Un Told Arabian Tales

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LOL, some original Kazakh Nomad (Farsi) who migrated from the Kazakh/Central Asian Steppe to the Iranian Plateau less than 3000 years ago is having delusions again. Besides being a culturally, linguistically and religiously conquered people since the first time you people encountered us Semitic people and copied everything.

Yemen is one of the oldest civilizations in the entire world and the first inhabited place outside of Africa. Queen Sheba alone is older than the word Persian, your language and even the first historical inscriptions about anything named Persian, LOL. You were still living on the Central Asian steppe at that time.

Historical, genetic and linguistic data proves that you are a frustrated Farsi with inferiority complexes because Arabs and Semitic people conquered your country and people. Besides Iran is just one big melting pot that has been conquered by outsiders time and time again.

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Haplogroup J-P209[Phylogenetics 1] is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. Its history since the Iron Age has been tied to the great events and migrations in this area and in particular to the Semitic people.

Now get lost Fire-Worshipper and deal with your fake Wannabe-Arab Mullah's that are ruling you with a iron fist.

Probably another double user that is soon to be banned and wants to get his 2 minutes of fame while writing nonsense and trolling and being obsessed about his conquerors (Arabs).
 
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Hinduism is the oldest religion, but I am talking about monotheism. Hinduisms is widely believed to be polytheism which is why I did not include it. Zoroastrianism was the first religion to believe in One god,heaven/hell, judgement day and so on. even the manner which they pray which copied in a sense because in Zoroastrianism when you're praying to god, you have to face towards a source of light, whether it's the sun or fire or whathever. Have you noticed how Muslims face towards something when they pray? I.e Mecca.

actually it's like an hybrid.
we have one supreme almighty who does not have any shape and size like the abrahamic religions.

but hinduism believes that god has created everything and god is present every where so we should respect everybody.

ps: modern day hinduism or sanatan dharama is corrupt to it's core :hitwall:
 
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If the Mods close this thread then they clearly are one sided.
Let these arab debate the evidence. The fact this al hasani is burning should show you the truth is burning him.

The thread shows very powerful evidence to support the claim.

in deed... lets talks for once n bring out the truth.... why to hide the reality. ...
 
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in deed... lets talks for once n bring out the truth.... why to hide the reality. ...

You, don't get it do you Hindu? Too much cow """" for you today?

There is no historical or archaeological evidence of any traces of Hinduism anywhere in the Arab world. On the other hand there is plenty of historical evidence that Arabs and Semitic people had Jewish, Christian etc. kingdoms and before that they believed in ancient Semitic religions (Pagans) whose traces are found all over the Arab world. For instance the ancient World UNESCO Heritage Sites such as Mada'in Saleh in KSA, Petra in Jordan, Hatra in Iraq, Palmyra in Syria etc.

You think that you have invented the wheel by writing nonsense and making unfounded claims that have no historical or archaeological evidence or never been supported by any scholar let alone written about. Just pure madness. But if it makes you happy to live in a fantasy world then go along.

Just know that the Arab world/Semitic world or Islam has nothing to do with your Hinduism or Indians aside from having Indian workers/immigrants living in parts of the Arab world that first came 40 years ago.
 
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LOL, some original Kazakh Nomad (Farsi) who migrated from the Kazakh/Central Asian Steppe to the Iranian Plateau less than 3000 years ago is having delusions again. Besides being a culturally, linguistically and religiously conquered people since the first time you people encountered us Semitic people and copied everything.

Yemen is one of the oldest civilizations in the entire world and the first inhabited place outside of Africa. Queen Sheba alone is older than the word Persian, your language and even the first historical inscriptions about anything named Persian, LOL. You were still living on the Central Asian steppe at that time.

Historical, genetic and linguistic data proves that you are a frustrated Farsi with inferiority complexes because Arabs and Semitic people conquered your country and people. Besides Iran is just one big melting pot that has been conquered by outsiders time and time again.
Now get lost Fire-Worshipper and deal with your fake Wannabe-Arab Mullah's that are ruling you with a iron fist.

Probably another double user that is soon to be banned and wants to get his 2 minutes of fame while writing nonsense and trolling and being obsessed about his conquerors (Arabs).

Its Iraq where the first civilizations started, cradle of civilization they call it for a reason, felix Arabia is a different part, its not mentioned in the first civilization, it came later like Egypts.

Cradle of civilization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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LOL. JUST ONE BIG LOL.

Arabs before the appearance of Islam were either Christians, Jews or believed in ancient Semitic religions (oldest known ones) that were shared in the entire Arab/Semitic world. Better known as Pagan beliefs. Evidence of that are World UNESCO Heritage Sites such as Mada'in Saleh in KSA, Petra in Jordan, Hatra in Iraq and Palmyra in Syria.

Perhaps they were idol worshippers. No way Christians, perhaps some of them were jews who got converted forcefully later.

I think, there is some substance to what is posted.
Arabs were not Christians in majority- never. so, they were idol worshipping people with freedom and women also free to live their life roam the streets free like any human without black dress and extreme laws curbing freedom.

in the past and now in the present also - Arabs may be worshippers of Hindu lord Shiva. the One who wears moon on his head. Mecca may be a temple of idolaters with Shiva as main deity. the characters of Bible and Torah(Abraham and others) perhaps may be a lateral add-on to make a new belief system as we see now. nothing Abrahamic, but the Vedic civilizations decay that we see in Arabia. I read, there is 3 daughter goddesses of Allah(Shiva) as well.
The Kaaba’s presiding deity was the moon-god Hubal, similar to Shiva in that the latter is depicted as carrying the moon on his head. His three goddesses Al-Lat, Uzza and Manat, were believed by the Muslims to have taken refuge in the Somnath (Shiva) temple on the Gujarat coast. This is the reason why more than any other, that particular Hindu temple was singled out for destruction upon destruction.
Why Muslims do not offer prayers to"Allah's daughters". el-Lat, el-Uzza, and Manat ? - Yahoo! Answers India

some anonymous ignorants talking sh1t - right? see below. may be some air get in.
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/T3P2OVNVRIM39GT73
 
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Goat herders and Arabs servants call names. Go flog yourself left and right, an Arab died 1400 years ago.


Poor Iranian, stop making up things.



Islam is taken from fire worshpers :laughcry:


Here is Saudi history:



Your history::azn:

(links removed due to low post count)

Why are you guys so obsessed with something that has happened 1400 years ago?

You guys claim that we Iranians are obsessed with it. I rarely see an Iranian talk about it in this forum yet you and your saudi friends keep on rambling about it on this forum. Great, you guys gloat about your ancestors being plundering savages.

Arguing with you guys is like trying to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory.
 
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You, don't get it do you Hindu? Too much cow """" for you today?

There is no historical or archaeological evidence of any traces of Hinduism anywhere in the Arab world. On the other hand there is plenty of historical evidence that Arabs and Semitic people had Jewish, Christian etc. kingdoms and before that they believed in ancient Semitic religions (Pagans) whose traces are found all over the Arab world. For instance the ancient World UNESCO Heritage Sites such as Mada'in Saleh in KSA, Petra in Jordan, Hatra in Iraq, Palmyra in Syria etc.

You think that you have invented the wheel by writing nonsense and making unfounded claims that have no historical or archaeological evidence or never been supported by any scholar let alone written about. Just pure madness. But if it makes you happy to live in a fantasy world then go along.

Just know that the Arab world/Semitic world or Islam has nothing to do with your Hinduism or Indians aside from having Indian workers/immigrants living in parts of the Arab world that first came 40 years ago.

then give evidence rather than mouth BS
 
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Isn't it hilarious that some Bedouin is comparing a country that no one has even heard of to Persian culture?
Persian history and culture is superior to your desert culture in every way imaginable.

From the oldest language formed in jiroft Iran, to the worst firsts superpower to to our scientific,poetry and other contributions to the world. What contribution has yemen made except suicide bombings? Come one kiddo, at least pretend your a greek so then we can talk.

Iran has been a civilization for over 8000 years, the part of Iran I was born in alone has a 5000 year old culture. Posting a fake map created by a lizard eater will not change anything.

Iran has conquered it's neighbored much more times than it's been invaded LOL.

Let someone answer this question. Seriously, who in their right mind would compare bunch lizard eaters to Persians?

Even the so called Islamic golden age was mostly thank to Persian scientists and intellectuals.
When Persians were creating qanats 3000 years ago, yemenis were hunting lizards..
 
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Yemen is the first inhabited place on earth after Africa. Those are just scientific facts.

Besides Damascus has been inhabited for 12.000 years. Byblos too. So that is a logical fallacy. Predates Mesopotamia by many thousands of years.

Besides all those areas are Semitic and had nothing to do with India or Hindus so they are irrelevant. Neither did Egypt.

Farsi/Kazakh Nomad: Those cultures have nothing to do with you Persians or Indo-Iranians. You were uncivilized people who lived on the Kazakh Steppe just 3000 years ago with no alphabet or culture. You left nothing. On the other hand Yemen has some of the best kept ancient remains, ancient villages and towns.

Not my problem that you cannot except genetic and historical evidence. Being a conquered people culturally, linguistically, religiously etc. must have had a hard effect on you.
 
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it's possible that Islam or arabs were influenced by India and vedic traditions, but to claim pre historic arebia was Hindu nation is a conspiracy theory at best.
 
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Yemen is the first inhabited place on earth after Africa. Those are just scientific facts.

Besides Damascus has been inhabited for 12.000 years. Byblos too. So that is a logical fallacy. Predates Mesopotamia by many thousands of years.

Besides all those areas are Semitic and had nothing to do with India or Hindus so they are irrelevant. Neither did Egypt.

Inhabited by lizards not humans.

This guys is so brainwashed than I don't know if I should cry or laugh.
 
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KING VIKRAMADITYA INSCRIPTION ON A GOLD DISH HUNG INSIDE THE KAABA
In pure scientific study about the Historical Muhammad raises basic questions concerning the prophet's role as a moral paragon; the sources of Islamic law; and the God-given nature of the Koran. The scientists even doubt the existence of Muhammad. Scientists say that the Koran is a not a product of Muhammad or even of Arabia, but a collection of materials stitched together to meet the needs of a later age. There was no Islam until two or three hundred years after the traditional version at around 830CE. The Arab tribesmen who conquered in the seventh century vast territory were not *******, but were persons who worshiped idols and are scientists call them pagans.
Even though Prophet Muhammad was born in the full light of history the earliest document date about a century and a half after his death. Not only does this long lapse of time cast doubt on their accuracy, but internal evidence strongly suggests the Arabic sources were composed in the context of intense partisan quarrels over the prophet's life. The earliest sources like papyri, inscriptions, and coins on the prophet's life, contradict the standard biography. An inscription and a Greek account fix Muhammad's birth in 552, not 570. Muhammad's career took place not in Mecca but hundreds of kilometers to the north. Yehuda Nevo. The classical Arabic language was developed not in today's Saudi Arabia but in the Levant.
Long before Islam came in to existence, Kaaba, in Mecca in Saudi Arabia was a pilgrimage site. The word Kaaba might have come from the Tamil Language which originated around 1700BC. In Tamil Nadu Kabaalishwaran temple is Lord Shiva’s temple and Kabaali refers to Lord Shiva. The black stone at Kaaba is held sacred and holy in Islam and is called "Hajre Aswad" from the Sanskrit word Sanghey Ashweta or Non-white stone. The Shiva Lingam is also called Sanghey Ashweta. So what is in Kaaba could be the same what Hindus worship. The pedestal Maqam-E-Ibrahim at the centre of the Kaaba is octagonal in shape. In Hinduism, the pedestal of Brahma the creator is also octagonal in shape. Muslim pilgrims visiting the Kaaba temple go around it seven times. In no other mosque does the circumambulation prevail. Hindus invariably circumambulate or Pradakshina, around their deities. This is yet another proof that the Kaaba shrine is a pre-Islamic. In Shiva temples Hindus always practice circumambulation or Pradakshina. Just as in Hinduism, the custom of circumambulation by muslim pilgrims around the entire Kaaba building seven times shows that the claim that in Islam they don’t worship stones is not true.

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Allah was one of the deities in Kaaba long before Islam was founded. It might come as a stunning revelation to many that the word ‘ALLAH’ itself is Sanskrit. In Sanskrit language Allah, Akka and Amba are synonyms. They signify a goddess or mother. The term ‘ALLAH’ forms part of Sanskrit chants invoking goddess Durga, also known as Bhavani, Chandi and Mahishasurmardini. The Islamic word for God is., therefore, not an innovation but the ancient Sanskrit appellation retained and continued by Islam. Allah means mother or goddess and mother goddess.
The King Vikramaditya inscription was found on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire. (Ref: page 315 of a volume known as ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey). King Vikrama’s preachers had succeeded in spreading the Vedic Hindu sacred scriptures in Arabia and Arabs were once followers of the Indian Vedic way of life. The annual fair known as OKAJ which used to be held every year around the Kaaba temple in Mecca and the present annual hajj of the Muslims to the Kaaba is of earlier pre-Islamic congregation. . Even to this day ancient Siva emblems can be seen. It is the Shankara (Siva) stone that Muslim pilgrims reverently touch and kiss in the Kaaba.
Muslims shave their head and beard and don special sacred attire that consists of two seamless sheets of white cloth. One is to be worn round the waist and the other over the shoulders. Both these rites are remnants of the old Vedic practice of entering Hindu temples clean and with holy seamless white sheets. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, the Kaaba has 360 idols. Traditional accounts mention that one of the deities among the 360 destroyed when the place was stormed was that of Saturn; another was of the Moon and yet another was one called Allah. That shows that in the Kaaba the Arabs worshipped the nine planets in pre-Islamic days. In India the practice of ‘Navagraha’ puja, that is worship of the nine planets, is still in vogue. Two of these nine are Saturn and Moon. In India the crescent moon is always painted across the forehead of the Siva symbol. Since that symbol was associated with the Siva emblem in Kaaba it came to be grafted on the flag of Islam.
The Hindu Vedic letter in Sanskrit "OM" if seen in a mirror one can see the Arabic numbers 786 and this is the most sacred number for Muslims and copies of the Arabic Koran have the mysterious figure 786 imprinted on them. In their ignorance simply they do not realize that this special number is nothing more than the holiest of Vedic symbols misread and none of the Arabic scholar has been able to determine how they chose 786 as the sacred for them. In short muslims are also going around Siva Lingam at Kaaba, seven times as Hindus go around it seven times.
A few miles away from Mecca are a big signboard which bars the entry of any non-Muslim into the area. This is a reminder of the days when the Kaaba was stormed and captured solely for the newly established faith of Islam. The object in barring entry of non-Muslims was obviously to prevent its recapture. Kaaba is clothed in a black shroud. This custom also originated from the days when it was thought necessary to discourage its recapture by camouflaging it.
Another Hindu tradition associated with the Kaaba is that of the sacred stream Ganga (sacred waters of the Ganges river). According to the Hindu tradition Ganga is also inseparable from the Shiva emblem as the crescent moon. Wherever there is a Siva emblem, Ganga must co-exist. True to that association a sacred fount exists near the Kaaba. Its water is held sacred because it has been traditionally regarded as Ganga since pre-Islamic times (Zam-Zam water).
 
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Yemen is the first inhabited place on earth after Africa. Those are just scientific facts.

Besides Damascus has been inhabited for 12.000 years. Byblos too. So that is a logical fallacy. Predates Mesopotamia by many thousands of years.

Besides all those areas are Semitic and had nothing to do with India or Hindus so they are irrelevant. Neither did Egypt.

Farsi/Kazakh Nomad: Those cultures have nothing to do with you Persians or Indo-Iranians. You were uncivilized people who lived on the Kazakh Steppe just 3000 years ago with no alphabet or culture. You left nothing. On the other hand Yemen has some of the best kept ancient remains, ancient villages and towns.

Not my problem that you cannot except genetic and historical evidence. Being a conquered people culturally, linguistically, religiously etc. must have had a hard effect on you.

Inhabitation is not civilization, speaking about Inhabtiation Africa surpasses Yemen if we believe in those theories.
Civilizations though started between those rivers.
 
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it's possible that Islam or arabs were influenced by India and vedic traditions, but to claim pre historic arebia was Hindu nation is a conspiracy theory at best.

Finally a sane person. There is no proof of any Hindu influences either. They don't exist. No archaeological or historical facts support that absurd theory.

Besides Semitic people, including Arabs here, and Hindus never encountered each other to such an extent that they could influence each other.

It is like saying that pre-Islamic Arab world were Buddhists.

Only similar claim I have heard was that the Sumerians could possibly be from Indian since they did not belong to any current people. Nor their language. Anyway they got extinct long ago and there were earlier people and civilizations anyway.
 
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