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Haq's Musings: CIA's Ex Officer Michael Scheuer Talks About Pakistan's ISI

There continues to be a concerted effort by some western and Indian governments and the mainstream media to demonize the ISI, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency of Pakistan. Some Pakistanis, particularly Pakistani liberals, are also part of this anti-ISI campaign.



To put unrelenting attacks on the ISI in perspective, let's read some excerpts from an interview of ex CIA officer and chief Bin Laden hunter Michael Scheuer on ISI, and watch the following video:

1. ISI is like all other intelligence services--like the Australian service or the American service.

2. ISI works for the interest of their country, not to help other countries.

3. The idea that ISI is a rogue organization is very popular--and even the Pakistanis promote it---but having worked with ISI for the better part of 20 years, I know the ISI is very disciplined and very able intelligence agency.

4. Pakistanis can not leave the area (AfPak) when we (Americans) do. They have to try and stabilize Afghanistan with a favorable Islamic government so they can move their 100,000 troops from their western border to the eastern border with India which---whether we like it or not, they see as a bigger threat.

5. We (US) have created the mess in South Asia and the Pakistanis have to sort it out. Our (US) problems in Afghanistan are of our own making.

6. Al Qaeda has grown from just one platform (Afghanistan in 2001) to six platforms now.


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Haq's Musings: CIA's Ex Officer Michael Scheuer Talks About Pakistan's ISI
 
"Well, first of all, I would say, based on 27 years in CIA and four and a half years in this job, most governments lie to each other. That's the way business gets done." Robert Gates, Ex-US Defense Secretary

That was Defense Secretary Robert Gates' straight talk in response to the phony outrage by Senator Patrick Leahy on the news of Pakistan arresting 5 CIA informants following Osama bin Laden's killing by US Navy Seals in Abbotabad.



Here is the text of the exchange between Gates and Leahy during the US Senate hearing on Pakistan that began with Leahy asking Gates how long the U.S. will be willing to "support governments that lie to us?"

GATES: Well, first of all, I would say, based on 27 years in CIA and four and a half years in this job, most governments lie to each other. That's the way business gets done.

LEAHY: Do they also arrest the people that help us when they say they're allies?

GATES: Sometimes.

LEAHY: Not often.

GATES: And -- and sometimes they send people to spy on us, and they're our close allies. So...

LEAHY: And we give aid to them.

GATES: ... that's the real world that we deal with.




Haq's Musings: Straight Talk By Gates on Pakistan
 
Haq's Musings: CIA's Ex Officer Michael Scheuer Talks About Pakistan's ISI

There continues to be a concerted effort by some western and Indian governments and the mainstream media to demonize the ISI, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency of Pakistan. Some Pakistanis, particularly Pakistani liberals, are also part of this anti-ISI campaign.

To put unrelenting attacks on the ISI in perspective, let's read some excerpts from an interview of ex CIA officer and chief Bin Laden hunter Michael Scheuer on ISI, and watch the following video:

1. ISI is like all other intelligence services--like the Australian service or the American service.

2. ISI works for the interest of their country, not to help other countries.

3. The idea that ISI is a rogue organization is very popular--and even the Pakistanis promote it---but having worked with ISI for the better part of 20 years, I know the ISI is very disciplined and very able intelligence agency.

4. Pakistanis can not leave the area (AfPak) when we (Americans) do. They have to try and stabilize Afghanistan with a favorable Islamic government so they can move their 100,000 troops from their western border to the eastern border with India which---whether we like it or not, they see as a bigger threat.

5. We (US) have created the mess in South Asia and the Pakistanis have to sort it out. Our (US) problems in Afghanistan are of our own making.

6. Al Qaeda has grown from just one platform (Afghanistan in 2001) to six platforms now.


Haq's Musings: CIA's Ex Officer Michael Scheuer Talks About Pakistan's ISI

The Australian service or the American intelligence services do not destabilize civillian governments

If the ISI is a disciplined organization the people in charge of the agency are responsible for sheltering some of the worst terrorists

US did not create the mess in Afghanistan - Pakistan is solely responsible
 
ISI is like all other intelligence services--like the Australian service or the American service.
Certainly the ISI does some of the same things the "Anglos" do, like collect information on the enemy. But there's more and less to the ISI than that.

The key difference is the lack of political oversight and legitimacy. Politicians don't have the power to remove incompetent/criminal commanders or appoint anyone other than the C-i-C. That's a characteristic of a military junta, not a democracy.

In a junta everything seems solid from the outside but the reality is that cliques form and to advance officers need support from other officers: if discipline is too close that threatens the clique. I figure that in covert intelligence units that means officers work with very little supervision or oversight and have a great deal of freedom to act - and in effect, set policy - all by themselves.

In the U.S., CIA oversight was revamped starting in the mid-1970s. Inspector generals were appointed by Congress after the CIA tried to get around such limits in the 1980s. Lots of lawyers review covert actions to approve of reject them when they are proposed, not only for cya duty afterward.
 
Certainly the ISI does some of the same things the "Anglos" do, like collect information on the enemy. But there's more and less to the ISI than that.

The key difference is the lack of political oversight and legitimacy. Politicians don't have the power to remove incompetent/criminal commanders or appoint anyone other than the C-i-C. That's a characteristic of a military junta, not a democracy.

In a junta everything seems solid from the outside but the reality is that cliques form and to advance officers need support from other officers: if discipline is too close that threatens the clique. I figure that in covert intelligence units that means officers work with very little supervision or oversight and have a great deal of freedom to act - and in effect, set policy - all by themselves.

In the U.S., CIA oversight was revamped starting in the mid-1970s. Inspector generals were appointed by Congress after the CIA tried to get around such limits in the 1980s. Lots of lawyers review covert actions to approve of reject them when they are proposed, not only for cya duty afterward.

CIA does not interfere in elections and domestic politics. The ISI does.
I am not saying they are bad because they do that. Dabbling in politics is a distraction from your main mission.
 
lol @ his related links. Just eager to earn some cheap pennies.
 
Hussain Haqqani is one of those "Pakistani liberals" traitors who routinely publishes anti-Pakistan propaganda. The whites in Washington think-tank community have given him some pedestal as an authority on Pakistan. PM Nawaz Sharif and Pakistani Supreme Court really should bring to justice members of the Zardari administration engaged in treason.
 
The Australian service or the American intelligence services do not destabilize civillian governments

If the ISI is a disciplined organization the people in charge of the agency are responsible for sheltering some of the worst terrorists

US did not create the mess in Afghanistan - Pakistan is solely responsible

We are happy with it . You have any problem?. Don't interfere in our internal matter.

Hussain Haqqani is one of those "Pakistani liberals" traitors who routinely publishes anti-Pakistan propaganda. The whites in Washington think-tank community have given him some pedestal as an authority on Pakistan. PM Nawaz Sharif and Pakistani Supreme Court really should bring to justice members of the Zardari administration engaged in treason.

There are so many liberals forum in Pakistan.
 
The Australian service or the American intelligence services do not destabilize civillian governments

If the ISI is a disciplined organization the people in charge of the agency are responsible for sheltering some of the worst terrorists

US did not create the mess in Afghanistan - Pakistan is solely responsible
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We are happy with it . You have any problem?. Don't interfere in our internal matter.



There are so many liberals forum in Pakistan.

Afghanistan is not your internal matter

ISI poking in Pakistanis domestic politics is your internal business
 
The Australian service or the American intelligence services do not destabilize civillian governments

US did not create the mess in Afghanistan - Pakistan is solely responsible
First of all, the American intelligence services have been involved in several coups in countries in Africa, the Middle East and South America, so you're dead wrong when it comes to that. Australia? Australia was most likely definitely involved in covert action in the Asia Pacific considering the fact there was a surge in communist support in many countries like Indonesia. They haven't been involved in destabilizing civilian governments as far as I know, but they're pretty close. Don't just spout the names of random countries. Makes you look extremely foolish and silly.

Yawn, the usual whining about ISI in Afghanistan. You do understand that UK, France, Saudi Arabia, Iran, China, Russia, and India were also involved in the massive shitfest which became Afghanistan, right? All of them funding their own war lords and tribes, sending them all types of arms and giving them all sorts of logistics. Afghanistan was divided on tribal and ethnic lines with drug barons and warlords ruining the country. If anything, this was a collective failure by each and every side, but I expect you wouldn't admit that because you're preoccupied with regurgitating the same bullshit speeches about the ISI and Afghanistan.

They just never get caught...

CIA has admitted numerous times that it has been involved in the internal policies of other countries. This guy's belief that foreign intelligence services like the CIA was not involved, is bullshit. During the Cold War, staunch anti-Communists all over the developing world received millions of dollars so that they could fund their election campaigns and prevent Communist sympathizers and socialists from coming into power.
 

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They just never get caught...

CIA does not pick winners in American political system. After Watergate they are not even involved in any domestic politics in any manner. Their overseas actions are subject to more civillian oversight.

First of all, the American intelligence services have been involved in several coups in countries in Africa, the Middle East and South America, so you're dead wrong when it comes to that. Australia? Australia was most likely definitely involved in covert action in the Asia Pacific considering the fact there was a surge in communist support in many countries like Indonesia. They haven't been involved in destabilizing civilian governments as far as I know, but they're pretty close. Don't just spout the names of random countries. Makes you look extremely foolish and silly.

Yawn, the usual whining about ISI in Afghanistan. You do understand that UK, France, Saudi Arabia, Iran, China, Russia, and India were also involved in the massive shitfest which became Afghanistan, right? All of them funding their own war lords and tribes, sending them all types of arms and giving them all sorts of logistics. Afghanistan was divided on tribal and ethnic lines with drug barons and warlords ruining the country. If anything, this was a collective failure by each and every side, but I expect you wouldn't admit that because you're preoccupied with regurgitating the same bullshit speeches about the ISI and Afghanistan.



CIA has admitted numerous times that it has been involved in the internal policies of other countries. This guy's belief that foreign intelligence services like the CIA was not involved, is bullshit. During the Cold War, staunch anti-Communists all over the developing world received millions of dollars so that they could fund their election campaigns and prevent Communist sympathizers and socialists from coming into power.

I stand corrected. They never destabilize civillian governments in their home countries
 
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