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Panaji: The government is working on a "special mechanism" to track all vessels operating in India's Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ), Union Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said on Monday.

"Any vessel entering India's exclusive economic zone will be tracked through a special mechanism. Every fishing boat will be given an electronic identity tag," Parrikar told reporters on Monday on the sidelines of an event to commission four Indian Coast Guard vessels.

"Around two lakh fishing and other boats can be tracked. If any boat moves suspiciously, it will be automatically flagged. Any suspicious movement of a fishing boat outside its territory can be monitored," he said.

He said that it would take an year to bring all fishing vessels under the purview of the monitoring system.

"There is an electronic instrument which needs to be fitted to boats. It is like an identity card which sends off signals to Indian space satellite," Parrikar said.

"We have issued these instruments to the Indian Coast Guard. Cards issued to fishermen can be verified for duplication or forgery," the minister said.

He said that the work on installing radars on the coast is on.

"During phase one, 46 radars were to be installed and in phase two 38 coastal radars will be installed. The first phase is over," he added.


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Panaji: The government is working on a "special mechanism" to track all vessels operating in India's Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ), Union Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said on Monday.

"Any vessel entering India's exclusive economic zone will be tracked through a special mechanism. Every fishing boat will be given an electronic identity tag," Parrikar told reporters on Monday on the sidelines of an event to commission four Indian Coast Guard vessels.

"Around two lakh fishing and other boats can be tracked. If any boat moves suspiciously, it will be automatically flagged. Any suspicious movement of a fishing boat outside its territory can be monitored," he said.

He said that it would take an year to bring all fishing vessels under the purview of the monitoring system.

"There is an electronic instrument which needs to be fitted to boats. It is like an identity card which sends off signals to Indian space satellite," Parrikar said.

"We have issued these instruments to the Indian Coast Guard. Cards issued to fishermen can be verified for duplication or forgery," the minister said.

He said that the work on installing radars on the coast is on.

"During phase one, 46 radars were to be installed and in phase two 38 coastal radars will be installed. The first phase is over," he added.


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is that truly possible ?

such a vast coastline that india has ...and literally hundreds of uninhabited islands ...
can we really track every little fishing ship entering in India's EEZ ...

I think that is rather " Big Mouthed " talk by DM .

I do not think it is practically feasible as of today ...

I mean it is quite ambitious ...but I doubt it can fructify that easily ...
 
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is that truly possible ?

such a vast coastline that india has ...and literally hundreds of uninhabited islands ...
can we really track every little fishing ship entering in India's EEZ ...

I think that is rather " Big Mouthed " talk by DM .

I do not think it is practically feasible as of today ...

What he mean is only that a card will be issued to every fishing boats which will give signals to satellite and 46 Radars will track the coastline along with coast guards and navy surveillance aircraft. This way they will know Which are our boats and which are foreign boats in Indian EEZ.That card can be something similar to GPS tracking of a taxi. very much possible.

Today without this identification card, we can track lacs of boats in Indian EEZ but we never know which one is our and also if our boats are Only fishing and not involved in terrorism, smuggling , or any other activity which we can guess in future by the pattern of there movement.
 
Good - at least we will get ride of Indian fishermen stealing from our EEZ.
 
is that truly possible ?

such a vast coastline that india has ...and literally hundreds of uninhabited islands ...
can we really track every little fishing ship entering in India's EEZ ...

I think that is rather " Big Mouthed " talk by DM .

I do not think it is practically feasible as of today ...
There are a number of nuances to this.

Firstly the costal surveillance network (phase 1 completed now well into phase 2) allows the ICG and IN to monitor all vessels 25 miles from the Indian coastline using optical and radar sensors.

However the ability to monitor all vessels within the EEZ (afaik this extends 200 miles out from the Indian shores) in the way the DM outlines is a different kettle of fish wherein to track all fishing boats in the Indian EEZ all the boats would have to be fitted with transponders. Naturally this is only going to work by the consent of the fishing community and subsequent enforcement by the ICG and Marine police to make sure they are properly using such equipment. It can be done and is being done (the ICG is rolling out such transponder schemes bit by bit in various fishing communities across India).

(all of the above does not factor in the mammoth patrolling efforts by the ICG and IN of the Indian EEZ)

I don't see it as big mouth talk at all but a statement of intent and we have seen recently how far India's coastal security has come.
 
What he mean is only that a card will be issued to every fishing boats which will give signals to satellite and 46 Radars will track the coastline along with coast guards and navy surveillance aircraft. This way they will know Which are our boats and which are foreign boats in Indian EEZ.That card can be something similar to GPS tracking of a taxi. very much possible.

Today without this identification card, we can track lacs of boats in Indian EEZ but we never know which one is our and also if our boats are Only fishing and not involved in terrorism, smuggling , or any other activity which we can guess in future by the pattern of there movement.

If we see pilferage of sim cards, ration cards , adhhar cards to terrorists ..what makes you think that there can't be pilferage of such electronic cards ?

and how is it going to be different if terrorists hijack one of the registered Indian fishing ship ?

all Govt plans look nice on paper . we should believe when it actually materializes .

In a country like India all logistics of such plan can be dreadful.

Just one time issuance of electronic cards is not sufficient ..what about the new ships that enter every day ?

what about the non fishing ships ...private boats , yachts etc ?

I know I am being little skeptical here ..but these are genuine concerns which needs to be addressed for this plan to succeed .
 
46 Radars will track the coastline
There will be more than 100 such Coastal Radar Stations (46+38+ radars to be set up once phase 2 is complete) bro.

If we see pilferage of sim cards, ration cards , adhhar cards to terrorists ..what makes you think that there can't be pilferage of such electronic cards ?

all Govt plans look nice on paper . we should believe when it actually materializes .

In a country like India all logistics of such plan can be dreadful.

Just one time issuance of electronic cards is not sufficient ..what about the new ships that enter every day ?

what about the non fishing ships ...private boats , yachts etc ?

I know I am being little skeptical here ..but these are genuine concerns which needs to be addressed for this plan to succeed .
India undertaking a never before seen (anywhere in the world) coastal security program, there will be issues but if you seen how professionally the job of coastal security has been handled post-26/11 then have faith this will be done properly, the proof is in the recent Pak boat incident. Coastal security is no longer a joke, it is a necessity and none of the stakeholders are going to sit idly by and allow holes to go unplugged.

It will take time (about 5-7 more years) but India will achieve this ambitious goal.
 
If we see pilferage of sim cards, ration cards , adhhar cards to terrorists ..what makes you think that there can't be pilferage of such electronic cards ?
Because the movement of boats will be tracked and recorded.Even if terrorist get a card and they install it on there boat and try to enter India we can check that this particular boat didn't left from India and thr is no record of it leaving Indian coast and the path it followed to get out of EEZ. which will be an alarm.
I worked on Delhi metro project and now a days working on Kochi metro project. So I can tell u that by every passanger's metro card we can track his travelling details with just few clicks. Not a big deal.

and how is it going to be different if terrorists hijack one of the registered Indian fishing ship ?
By thr pattern of movement. A fishing boat will go to Fishing point and try catching fishes and return. Terrorist boats will be on mission they do not have to catch the fishes. May be they can mimic the pattern but they will have to be precised.

For example if a fishing boat leaves the coast then it will stay at high sea till it get enough fishes. If a boat get hijacked within few hours and return it will raise suspicion and Coast guards will inspect it.

All Govt plans look nice on paper . we should believe when it actually materializes .

In a country like India all logistics of such plan can be dreadful.
Right, With the past record u can say that, but Government is changed and I will give Parrikar a chance as he has been an honest guy with a good report card.

Just one time issuance of electronic cards is not sufficient ..what about the new ships that enter every day ?
Ships boats and choppers will be deployed. they will be guided by command center to check and investigate all the alarming and suspected boats.

what about the non fishing ships ...private boats , yachts etc ?

I know I am being little skeptical here ..but these are genuine concerns which needs to be addressed for this plan to succeed .
In my opinion all other ships of Indian origin should have this card so that they can be tracked. Before leaving Indian coast they must report to Coast guards and tell them the purpose of it. For example if there is a boat party in a private yacht, they must Put it in record and take permission. Nothing wrong with this right ?

There will be more than 100 such Coastal Radar Stations (46+38+ radars to be set up once phase 2 is complete) bro.


India undertaking a never before seen (anywhere in the world) coastal security program, there will be issues but if you seen how professionally the job of coastal security has been handled post-26/11 then have faith this will be done properly, the proof is in the recent Pak boat incident. Coastal security is no longer a joke, it is a necessity and none of the stakeholders are going to sit idly by and allow holes to go unplugged.

It will take time (about 5-7 more years) but India will achieve this ambitious goal.
Bro can you (Or anyone who can ) please tell me how radars installed on coast will track 200 km away at surface? As EM waves will not be guided according to Earth's curvature. We see a ship going behind the horizon right ? Will it be trackable too ? Aren't Radars ineffective beyond some distance for targets very close to Surfact, this is the reason Cruise missiles have sea skimming moad so that they can skip detection.
 
Bro can you (Or anyone who can ) please tell me how radars installed on coast will track 200 km away at surface? As EM waves will not be guided according to Earth's curvature. We see a ship going behind the horizon right ? Will it be trackable too ? Aren't Radars ineffective beyond some distance for targets very close to Surfact, this is the reason Cruise missiles have sea skimming moad so that they can skip detection.
Bro, like I pointed out the Coastal Surveillance Network 's sensor have a maximum range only 25 miles out. There is no radar on earth that can (from sea level) detect a ship 200 km away. For this it will be a combination of the transponders I have outlined, satellite surveillance and patrols of IN/ICG maritime patrol aircraft as well as vessels.
 
There will be more than 100 such Coastal Radar Stations (46+38+ radars to be set up once phase 2 is complete) bro.


India undertaking a never before seen (anywhere in the world) coastal security program, there will be issues but if you seen how professionally the job of coastal security has been handled post-26/11 then have faith this will be done properly, the proof is in the recent Pak boat incident. Coastal security is no longer a joke, it is a necessity and none of the stakeholders are going to sit idly by and allow holes to go unplugged.

It will take time (about 5-7 more years) but India will achieve this ambitious goal.

Let's hope the best
 
Bro can you (Or anyone who can ) please tell me how radars installed on coast will track 200 km away at surface? As EM waves will not be guided according to Earth's curvature. We see a ship going behind the horizon right ? Will it be trackable too ? Aren't Radars ineffective beyond some distance for targets very close to Surfact, this is the reason Cruise missiles have sea skimming moad so that they can skip detection.

Bro, like I pointed out the Coastal Surveillance Network 's sensor have a maximum range only 25 miles out. There is no radar on earth that can (from sea level) detect a ship 200 km away. For this it will be a combination of the transponders I have outlined, satellite surveillance and patrols of IN/ICG maritime patrol aircraft as well as vessels.

The concluding lines of the article, about installing coastal surveillance radars, is tangential to the headline. When he says that all boats in India's EEZ will be tracked, he means that they will be tracked by satellites, not radars. That's pretty simple - if every boat is fitted with a GPS transponder/receiver, they can be monitored by satellites from outer space. Even low cost cell phones have GPS receivers. Providing one to all fishing boats should be easy and cheap.

The coastal radars are meant to detect and track boats that approach the Indian coastline. If they detect (by radar) a vessel that is not responding to GPS interrogations, that's evidence that that vessel is unregistered, and therefore potentially hostile.
 
If you have tried your hand at sailing in the open seas, you'd know a more rational answer.

Mr. Sailor, Your fishermen deliberately come in to Pakistan's EEZ which is resource rich because of Indus delta.
 
The concluding lines of the article, about installing coastal surveillance radars, is tangential to the headline. When he says that all boats in India's EEZ will be tracked, he means that they will be tracked by satellites, not radars. That's pretty simple - if every boat is fitted with a GPS transponder/receiver, they can be monitored by satellites from outer space. Even low cost cell phones have GPS receivers. Providing one to all fishing boats should be easy and cheap.

The coastal radars are meant to detect and track boats that approach the Indian coastline. If they detect (by radar) a vessel that is not responding to GPS interrogations, that's evidence that that vessel is unregistered, and therefore potentially hostile.
Indeed, I'm pretty sure I've said as much in my posts above.
 
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