Erdoğan, Trump, and the Strongman Politics Devastating Turkey’s Economy

[Persian Gulf 1906]

If they don't get Turkey they will simply destabilize it. Then any one can march in like in syria. Will Iran take the refugees?

Turkey is not Syria. Europe and Iran will not let the US do such a thing (and they couldn't anyway) because they will be the biggest sufferers if a country of 80 million on Europe's doorstep is destabilised by the US...

 

[xenon54 out]

If they don't get Turkey they will simply destabilize it. Then any one can march in like in syria. Will Iran take the refugees?

How fast you forgot the last time when they thought it would be as easy as to walk in ME deserts.

 

[hussain0216]

This thread is not about Pakistan but , your government gave access to Americans into Afghanistan for 10 years in return of money and weapons.

No

The U.S is in Afghanistan getting fcuked, we as an "ally" allow supplies to get through to the U.S for a cost

No U.S troops are based here, nor chinese


When it suited us we were U.S allies, the more the U.S bitches the more we refuse to listen to anything thats against our interests

It was in our interests to develop and produce nuclear weapons under the U.S nose

We now have over 150 nuclear warheads and a variety of different delivery vehicles from ballistic missiles to nuclear capable cruise missiles to MIRV capable Ababeel, we are currently developing a nuclear capable SLCM in preparation for 8 AIP subs coming out way

All the while being U.S "allies"

our Chinese relationship is well developed and now we are increasing our contact with the Russians

Because it is in OUR SELF INTEREST


as the U.S pisses off more states then these states will come together to counter U.S bombast

 

[ScreamLikeMe]

Turkey is not Syria. Europe and Iran will not let the US do such a thing (and they couldn't anyway) because they will be the biggest sufferers if a country of 80 million on Europe's doorstep is destabilised by the US...

Trump's actions are not military based. They are economic based. Which are more lethal. There will be no US footprint and things will get ruin. I hope you understand this. Turkey has been with NATO and they will remain with NATO as you mentioned it correctly. These are just economic actions going on now. Nothing extra ordinary will come out. It's just Trump has given jerk to other economies by reducing the Oil price.

No

The U.S is in Afghanistan getting fcuked, we as an "ally" allow supplies to get through to the U.S for a cost

No U.S troops are based here, nor chinese


When it suited us we were U.S allies, the more the U.S bitches the more we refuse to listen to anything thats against our interests

It was in our interests to develop and produce nuclear weapons under the U.S nose

We now have over 150 nuclear warheads and a variety of different delivery vehicles from ballistic missiles to nuclear capable cruise missiles to MIRV capable Ababeel, we are currently developing a nuclear capable SLCM in preparation for 8 AIP subs coming out way

All the while being U.S "allies"

our Chinese relationship is well developed and now we are increasing our contact with the Russians

Because it is in OUR SELF INTEREST


as the U.S pisses off more states then these states will come together to counter U.S bombast

But it's true you gave access to Americans which was first footprint of US in Asia, because you wanted to fight Indians so in return you helped Americans and you took Arab petro dollars. Now you are fighting with Indians for some land dispute, who will fund that? And other side with Afghans how are you suppose to get along with rest of the countries. The whole region is destabalized.


So the route I mentioned, Turkey, Iran, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and Tajikistan to China is the safest and shorter too. More over these countries have resources to offer.

 

[hussain0216]

Trump's actions are not military based. They are economic based. Which are more lethal. There will be no US footprint and things will get ruin. I hope you understand this. Turkey has been with NATO and they will remain with NATO as you mentioned it correctly. These are just economic actions going on now. Nothing extra ordinary will come out. It's just Trump has given jerk to other economies by reducing the Oil price.




But it's true you gave access to Americans which was first footprint of US in Asia, because you wanted to fight Indians so in return you helped Americans and you took Arab petro dollars. Now you are fighting with Indians for some land dispute, who will fund that? And other side with Afghans how are you suppose to get along with rest of the countries. The whole region is destabalized.


So the route I mentioned, Turkey, Iran, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and Tajikistan to China is the safest and shorter too. More over these countries have resources to offer.

We will fight and hate Indian's even if hell freezes over

It was in our interests to deal with the U.S

Now we are developing CPEC for this very purpose with China as part of OBOR

Look it up, fast track from sea straight into China

 

[ScreamLikeMe]

We will fight and hate Indian's even if hell freezes over

It was in our interests to deal with the U.S

Now we are developing CPEC for this very purpose with China as part of OBOR

Look it up, fast track from sea straight into China

Either you can progress or you can fight both things can't happen that too when adversary is your neighbor. This is why I said, the route you mentioned is not safe for others.

 

[hussain0216]

Either you can progress or you can fight both things can't happen that too when adversary is your neighbor. This is why I said, the route you mentioned is not safe for others.

We can do both, india is our enemy forever

The route however is safe look up CPEC and the massive infrastructure projects under way

 

[ScreamLikeMe]

We can do both, india is our enemy forever

The route however is safe look up CPEC and the massive infrastructure projects under way

With this enmity with neighbors a country can't progress and it only adds to further destabilization. Any how this thread is about Turkey not Pakistan.

 

[Cthulhu]

The American fags are up to something again, A new adventure in the region maybe.

 

[LeGenD]

U.S. needs Turkey, Turkey does not need U.S.

Two words: shortsighted assessment.

US shielded Turkey from the prospects of invasion by USSR throughout the Cold War. FYI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Straits_crisis

Turkey have extracted tremendous benefits from its NATO membership across all fronts from security to economic, over time.

USSR is history but Turkey is vulnerable to threats from Salafi Jihadi movements of the Middle East such as ISIS and the PPK faction of Kurd. NATO make extensive use of Incirlik base in Turkey to confront ISIS in Syria and Iraq (i.e. Operation Inherent Resolve) and to monitor Kurdish activity in the region. Americans have a good standing with the Kurd at large, and they prevented major clashes between YPG faction of Kurd in Syria and Turkey because these clashes could jeopardize US-led assault against ISIS in Syria.

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is a thankless egotistical autocrat. He doesn't know Russian Vladimir Putin very well, and is playing into Putin's hands. Russia stands to gain from turning Turkey into its poodle.

Turkey is very important location between Iran and Europe, between Asia and Europe, if they lose Turkey they lose their NATO missile shield!

Turkey is no longer effective as a member of NATO at present. Russia have registered noticeable advances in the Black Sea by annexing Abkhazia and South Ossetia from Georgia in 2008, and Crimea from Ukraine in 2014. Russia also have a strong footprint in Syria since 2015.

Turkey is a toothless tiger in the face of Russian advances around it. I remember the days when Erdogan was threatening Syria with dire consequences:

https://nationalinterest.org/commentary/why-does-turkey-want-regime-change-syria-7227
http://www.spiegel.de/international...t-syrian-regime-over-downed-jet-a-841053.html

Funny really.

Now, Erdogan wants to deploy S-400 systems in Turkey! Brilliant.

Turkey's military will be much better with s-400 than with shitty patriot systems. China and US trade $600 billion+ per year, Turkey can still trade with US without NATO.

Shitty patriot systems have intercepted over 100 ballistic missiles over Saudi Arabia and Kuwait since 2003.

S-400 remains unproven to this day.

But I agree Turkey will not leave NATO, America cannot afford to lose Turkey, but I do not mind if Trump continues to act like a fool and push Turkey away!

Why only blame Donald Trump? Why not blame Erdogan?

US strongly objects to Turkey acquiring S-400 systems from Russia because this procurement does not benefit NATO missile shield in the slightest and would introduce new set-of-complications instead. Turkey is looking forward to induct F-35 from NATO, and US is not comfortable with F-35 operating over an environment where S-400 systems will be stationed on a 24/7 basis and Russia will be in the position to extract valuable information via its informants in Turkey. The rift over an American pastor under house arrest in Turkey, is just an excuse.

Trump administration is being very generous in its reactions so far. There are calls [from within the US] to boot Turkey from NATO because it is no longer a reliable ally.

Why is Erdogan waiting for US to do something? Why not exit from NATO in a graceful manner and ditch F-35?

Erdogan is not just a thankless egotistical autocrat, but also an immature clown. Iranians have more dignity than this clown.

Back in 2003, when Bush administration requested Turkey to establish a supply route for US-led military operations in Iraq, Erdogan refused (first sign of cracks). Even Syria allowed US to airlift some of its assets to Iraq at the time.

Turkey doesn't make for a reliable ally.