Erdoğan, Trump, and the Strongman Politics Devastating Turkey’s Economy

[Saddam Hussein]

Its amazing why the arabs think bowing down to the U.S is the only way forward

It makes no sense why they have become such ball suckers

The few anti-US Arab states are facing the US, Turkey and Pakistan as well in the past.

Saddam led the major anti-US movement and campaign, struck Israel as well. What happened? The entire Muslim world including Turkey and Pakistan sent troops to fight against him in 1991 on behalf of Kuwait which is an American client state.

Today Assad has been attacked since 2011 by nearly all Muslim states.

So what is all this nonsense about?

 

[ScreamLikeMe]

Pfft of course they will if interests align

At the moment interests of numerous states from Russia to China, From Turkey to Pakistan, Iran are aligned

Hell even EU, Canada and Mexico are tired of US hegemony

In terms of economy yes, in terms of military relationship no. Pakistan was with US and Turkey too. Now Pakistan remains destabalized especially the routes. Same will happen with Turkey. Because These countries provide their land to foreign soldiers to use. Under these circumstances an country can only remain in Master Slave relation.
Some other places I have mentioned it. True powers like China, France, India will never allow their land to be used by other countries. They follow no grouping policy. That's the only way to develop.

 

[Super Falcon]

OP is posting the crap from his masters like a loyal puppy...


Ignore this Abu-Jahal... He thinks Turkey going down will be good for his race..that's the stupidity of highest order. We need to be united. I hope Pakistan and Turkey start trading in their local currencies and ditch dollar.

Yes if you dont use some 4th hing it will de value big 5 in world are been sanctiones

Pak
Turkey
Russia
China
Iran

If you see all these countries have some thing to offer each other

Weapons russia and china
Oil iran and turkey
Gas pak and turkey

Dollar will soon de value thanks to trump

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

For Iran it's good opportunity, with down fall of Turkish economy and stopping of TOT from west, Iran will become the regional power.

why would iranians support this? we support turkey 100% in the face of america's aggressive imperialism, we are non-arab states surrounded by shameless arabs

So what's new with it, Egypt is a dictatorship just like nearly every middle eastern country. And as far as it looks like Erdogan is not that different, he'll probably rule till he's 80. Sisi looks like an Egyptian nationalist to me who is working to strengthen Egypt. Israel is not dear to him, he simply does what serves his interests. Turkey itself is not exactly the major anti-Israel bastion, it doesn't go beyond words.

Arabs shouldn't side with the west to put Turkey down, and Erdogan should drop his Muslim Brotherhood shit as well. If he refuges that, what can you expect?

at least erdogan has elections, don't compare that to Sisi who led the military to overthrow the democratically elected Morsi then become president in a sham election!

erdogan has 100x more dignity and courage in opposing israel than sisi the zionist puppet, must i repeat that Sisi is the most pro-israel president egypt ever had??

the Arab world should support democracy and democratically elected Morsi, of course Turkey will never support a zionist puppet that came to power through a military coup because that's what America would love to do in Turkey (and failed)...

Turkey will not joint. If they had to join they would have supported Assad. Now suddenly a U turn will be a blunder for domestic politics. People will not trust him.

you didn't hear the news that Erdogan already u-turned on Syria long time ago? they accept assad is president of syria and now are resolving the issue directly with russia and iran... they already joined, keep up.

Weapons russia and china
Oil iran and turkey
Gas pak and turkey

Pakistan and Turkey have very little gas, Russia Iran and Qatar are the top 3 in the world for gas reserves (in that order)

 

[war&peace]

Yes if you dont use some 4th hing it will de value big 5 in world are been sanctiones

Pak
Turkey
Russia
China
Iran

If you see all these countries have some thing to offer each other

Weapons russia and china
Oil iran and turkey
Gas pak and turkey

Dollar will soon de value thanks to trump

Also these countries have continuous land contact

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[ScreamLikeMe]

why would iranians support this? we support turkey 100% in the face of america's aggressive imperialism, we are non-arab states surrounded by shameless arabs

Turkey is more close to Arabs and secondly economic ties are not strategic ties.

you didn't hear the news that Erdogan already u-turned on Syria long time ago? they accept assad is president of syria and now are resolving the issue directly with russia and iran... they already joined, keep up.

They are bluffing. Their actions say different things. More over Turkey has offered its land to Americans now they will offer their land to Russians. Such states can turn up any time. And involving with such states is a risky game. Pakistan is ruined because of their stupidity. First they offered their land to US now they are giving it to Chinese.
Iran is different and does not fit in this stupid league. Apart from economic ties.

Also these countries have continuous land contact

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This is a vulnerable route. Pakistan has given it's routes to US and US will not let Pakistan operate them smoothly Because of their heavy presence in Afghanistan and porous border of Pakistan. Secondly it is going to some territory where there is some fighting going on with Indians.

Better route is.

Turkey , Iran, Tukmenistan, Uzbekistan , Kyrigstan , Tajikistan and China.

 

[hussain0216]

In terms of economy yes, in terms of military relationship no. Pakistan was with US and Turkey too. Now Pakistan remains destabalized especially the routes. Same will happen with Turkey. Because These countries provide their land to foreign soldiers to use. Under these circumstances an country can only remain in Master Slave relation.
Some other places I have mentioned it. True powers like China, France, India will never allow their land to be used by other countries. They follow no grouping policy. That's the only way to develop.

In terms of everything, the Turks spent centuries as the Ottoman Empire the defacto superpower of its time, as opposed to India who spent 1000 years under either muslim or British rule and your saying Turks are not a power and India is

Time are changing chump

The U.S is acting unhinged and nations will look after their own self interest

There will be a coming together of numerous nations to counter a U.S gone power mad

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

Turkey is more close to Arabs and secondly economic ties are not strategic ties.

define "more close"? turkey is more close to the arabs who are celebrating sanctions on turkey and hate turkey for being pro-MB and saving Qatar from a KSA/UAE invasion?? turkey and iran share a border and have much more in common than turkey does with the Persian Gulf kingdoms

They are bluffing. Their actions say different things. More over Turkey has offered its land to Americans now they will offer their land to Russians. Such states can turn up any time. And involving with such states is a risky game. Pakistan is ruined because of their stupidity. First they offered their land to US now they are giving it to Chinese.
Iran is different and does not fit in this stupid league. Apart from economic ties.

wrong. their actions = no longer calling for erdogan to leave, no longer giving 'rebels' free travel into syria from turkey, co-operating with russia and turkey.

iran was pro-US before and now it is more pro-Russia/China... every state changes - there are no permanent allies/enemies, just interests!

 

[hussain0216]

This is a vulnerable route. Pakistan has given it's routes to US and US will not let Pakistan operate them smoothl

 

[ScreamLikeMe]

define "more close"? turkey is more close to the arabs who are celebrating sanctions on turkey and hate turkey for being pro-MB and saving Qatar from a KSA/UAE invasion?? turkey and iran share a border and have much more in common than turkey does with the Persian Gulf kingdoms

You should ask them that when they ditch you for some stupid religion.

In terms of everything, the Turks spent centuries as the Ottoman Empire the defacto superpower of its time, as opposed to India who spent 1000 years under either muslim or British rule and your saying Turks are not a power and India is

Time are changing chump

The U.S is acting unhinged and nations will look after their own self interest

There will be a coming together of numerous nations to counter a U.S gone power mad

Well I don't know how good is Pakistan when compared to both India and Turkey But you people have habit of giving your land to foreign soldiers and that's what brings destability.

wrong. their actions = no longer calling for erdogan to leave, no longer giving 'rebels' free travel into syria from turkey, co-operating with russia and turkey.

iran was pro-US before and now it is more pro-Russia/China... every state changes - there are no permanent allies/enemies, just interests!

That's the point my friend, turning up. But Turkey can't survive without support, because US won't let them. Don't you think US would be deeply penetrated and know vulnerabilities of Turkey?

Turkey would require a lot of money and support both militarily, because if they leave the NATO, they will be ruining the economy and military.

 

[Persian Gulf 1906]

You should ask them that when they ditch you for some stupid religion.

???

That's the point my friend, turning up. But Turkey can't survive without support, because US won't let them. Don't you think US would be deeply penetrated and know vulnerabilities of Turkey?

Turkey would require a lot of money and support both militarily, because if they leave the NATO, they will be ruining the economy and military.

Sanctions is what you call "support"?

U.S. needs Turkey, Turkey does not need U.S. ... Turkey is very important location between Iran and Europe, between Asia and Europe, if they lose Turkey they lose their NATO missile shield!

Turkey's military will be much better with s-400 than with shitty patriot systems. China and US trade $600 billion+ per year, Turkey can still trade with US without NATO.

But I agree Turkey will not leave NATO, America cannot afford to lose Turkey, but I do not mind if Trump continues to act like a fool and push Turkey away!

 

[hussain0216]

But you people have habit of giving your land to foreign soldiers and that's what brings destability

Which soldiers are based in Pakistan??

 

[ScreamLikeMe]

Which soldiers are based in Pakistan??

This thread is not about Pakistan but , your government gave access to Americans into Afghanistan for 10 years in return of money and weapons.

 

[war&peace]

This is a vulnerable route. Pakistan has given it's routes to US and US will not let Pakistan operate them smoothly

O teri pen di siri dali ki bachi... bakwas karti hai

 

[ScreamLikeMe]

U.S. needs Turkey, Turkey does not need U.S. ... Turkey is very important location between Iran and Europe, between Asia and Europe, if they lose Turkey they lose their NATO missile shield!

If they don't get Turkey they will simply destabilize it. Then any one can march in like in syria. Will Iran take the refugees?

O teri pen di siri dali ki bachi... bakwas karti hai

what?