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[SubWater]

No
Erdogan was very lucky with this deal.
Turks were lucky to not lose Sanjak of Alexandretta to Syria.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Why you think S-400 is useless?

I think its just a provocation to cause a reaction

 

[zzzz]

Turkey lost 4 drones total (including 2 very cheap Bayraktars)

Meanwhile Assad/Putin lost:

* 3 jets
* 2 helicopters
* 45 tanks
* 20 BMP
* 23 self propelled artillery
* 10 MLRS
* 2 Pantsirs
* 33 trucks
* Hundreeds of soldiers

http://spioenkop.blogspot.com/2020/02/the-idlib-turkey-shoot-destruction-and.html

These are only video confirmed loses. Not bad trade for 4 drones.


Everything happened as I predicted:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/erdo...rkish-op-lines-in-idlib.652354/#post-12068759

I also warned against buying S-400 many times.

Turkey lost about 20 drones total including 5 Anka-S (20 mln) and more than a dozen of TB2 ($5 mln). 3 Anka-s and 3 TB2 confirmed with pics.
Where did you see 2 Pantsirs? You mean that UAE Pantsir on MAN chassis somehow appeared in Syria in your fantasy world? Oh poor troll

 

[Stryker1982]

its very easy to form an opinion from safety and distance.
Turkish made a call given its position in the conflict.

. Turkey is engulfed in this conflict like Pakistan has been since the 80s. now you blame Erdogan for whatever reason but then again he is the same guy who survived a coup orchestrated by Americans. its a tough one. on one hand there are his unreliable Western allies who potentially tried to overthrow him and then there is an ex KGB Russian president who has his own cold and dark plans in the region.

I will let the Turks respond to your oversimplified bulletpoints.

His bullet point are pretty accurate buddy. Except Turkish drones were denied access over Idlib. Their efficacy in tactical battlespace was reduced for the SAA to retake areas lost previosuly. And in the same point that Russian junk tech is what Israel fears the most funnily enough. Let me tell you something @500 . It's not junk.

Turkey lost about 20 drones total including 5 Anka-S (20 mln) and more than a dozen of TB2 ($5 mln). 3 Anka-s and 3 TB2 confirmed with pics.
Where did you see 2 Pantsirs? You mean that UAE Pantsir on MAN chassis somehow appeared in Syria in your fantasy world? Oh poor troll

U sure it's 20? I estimated from pics for it to be around 10ish give or take.

 

[Old School]

Let us not indulge ourselves into petty numbers. The victory in a chessboard doesn't depend on how many pieces you have in hand. Checkmate is all that matters; even with a lone queen ! So is a war. Russians are very good at chess as well as at war. You won't always get a Mikhail Gorbachev in every spring to do all sorts of blunders.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

No
Erdogan was very lucky with this deal.
Turks were lucky to not lose Sanjak of Alexandretta to Syria.

yea sure

Lucky Turkey. Syrians might have embarked on world conquest after taking over Sanjak but first take back Syria from the rebels.

 

[cabatli_53]

Idlib retaliation will be remembered with first mass coordinated network centric drone strike of Turkish products against a conventional army using Russian tanks, artillery and surface to air missiles under the protection of Russian electronic attacks. Within days, Turkish Army destroyed around %15 of Asad Army while taking down 8 proven latest gen Russian SAM kill (2 of them are just revealed, there are BUK-M2s and S-300 (some source claims) as well) and 150+ tanks, hundreds of howitzers, MLRS. In Idlib offensive, Turkiye lost just 4 drones (2 Anka-S and 2 Bayraktar TB2). These drones were mostly operated on the territory controlled by Asad forces and If they shot down more, They would certainly use the wreckage for propaganda but they have nothing excluding 4 drones wreckage in their hands. Whoever claiming otherwise should prove their claims instead of spreading the gossips with buttpain.

 

[aryobarzan]

Guys..lets stop counting destroyed drones and tanks for a moment and think of millions of people in this cold in the middle of nowhere..how would any one of us feel if it happened to us.

Turkey has legitimate concerns ..millions of people already in country and millions wanting to come in..and yes Turkish politician helped to cook this soup but what is done is water under the bridge....3 or 4 or 5 million Syrians with no place to go(I have no idea how many by now). Although they are Jihadi and/or Jihadi sympathizers but they are still SYRIAN nationals..they may be head choppers but Syria can not push them out into another country and make this Turkey's problem. ..and Turkey can not invade Syria because of this...If refugees are the real problem then why play games...Allow legitimate Syrian government (the one that some of you hate..I know... but facts on the ground by now) to have control of the syrian borders and both countries with Russia and Iran all pitch in and settle these bad characters in some decent land where they can have hope...hopeless people are dangerous and will cost you alot in the long run....

 

[DavidSling]

Turkey lost about 20 drones total including 5 Anka-S (20 mln) and more than a dozen of TB2 ($5 mln). 3 Anka-s and 3 TB2 confirmed with pics.
Where did you see 2 Pantsirs? You mean that UAE Pantsir on MAN chassis somehow appeared in Syria in your fantasy world? Oh poor troll

Right after the syrians intercepted all the turkish missiles...
dont you get tired of this bullshit propaganda?

 

[Hack-Hook]

Idlib retaliation will be remembered with first mass coordinated network centric drone strike of Turkish products against a conventional army using Russian tanks, artillery and surface to air missiles under the protection of Russian electronic attacks. Within days, Turkish Army destroyed around %15 of Asad Army while taking down 8 proven latest gen Russian SAM kill (2 of them are just revealed, there are BUK-M2s and S-300 (some source claims) as well) and 150+ tanks, hundreds of howitzers, MLRS. In Idlib offensive, Turkiye lost just 4 drones (2 Anka-S and 2 Bayraktar TB2). These drones were mostly operated on the territory controlled by Asad forces and If they shot down more, They would certainly use the wreckage for propaganda but they have nothing excluding 4 drones wreckage in their hands. Whoever claiming otherwise should prove their claims instead of spreading the gossips with buttpain.

then how come syria advanced and you guys agreed to this

 

[500]

I agree with your stats here, but Turkey lost more than 4 drones for sure

4 are documented. Its virtually impossible to hide such loss.

and over 60 troops

The overwhelming majority of Turkish soldiers were killed in sneak attacks against columns before Turkey started to use its combat drones.

I wonder how SAA army constantly made advance if they were loosing so bad and why turkey agreed to the new term if they were faring so good.

In fact rebels made very nice advances just in 3 days: captured Nayrab, Sarakib and over dozen villages in Ghab plain and Jabl Zavia. Assadists started to hide in caves. But then suddenly strikes drastically slowed down. Massive Hezbalshaytan reinforcements were sent to frontlines.

 

[Hack-Hook]

In fact rebels made very nice advances just in 3 days: captured Nayrab, Sarakib and over dozen villages in Ghab plain and Jabl Zavia. Assadists started to hide in caves. But then suddenly strikes drastically slowed down. Massive Hezbalshaytan reinforcements were sent to frontlines.

how come those reinforcement could not be droned ?

 

[cabatli_53]

then how come syria advanced and you guys agreed to this

Russia has flattened the Seraqib city nonstop in 48h while Hizbuls and Asadists were seeking a way to hide and Aerial superiority over Seraqib enabled the Asadists to capture the city. Drones just striked on equipments with micro munitions but Airforce caused massive destruction of buildings and equipments so Asadists became upperhand on Seraqib.

 

[500]

Why you think S-400 is useless?

You can see the results. Assad had S-300PMU2 stationed in north (its virtually same as S-400), Buks, Pantirs etc etc. Turks had only MANPADS and F-16.

Assad lost 3 jets, 2 jelicopters, 1 drone
Turks 4 drones.

Thats despite swarms of Turkish drones operated over Assad territory and zero Assad planes over Turkish territory.

And Turkey did not even use its AGM-88 and cruise missiles.

 

[Trench Broom]

not our problem you guys cant commit to a cause. by the way Iran is not part of Idlib operation.

You make it sound noble. Fact is that you pick the most impoverished Shias and offer them some pocket money and maybe a chance to get buried in Iran if they become cannon fodder for an atheist dictator.