Erdogan surrenders to Putin

[cabatli_53]

how come those reinforcement could not be droned ?

How can you control entire Syria wth drones ?

 

[Hack-Hook]

You can see the results. Assad had S-300PMU2 stationed in north (its virtually same as S-400), Buks, Pantirs etc etc. Turks had only MANPADS and F-16.

Assad lost 3 jets, 2 jelicopters, 1 drone
Turks 4 drones.

Thats despite swarms of Turkish drones operated over Assad territory and zero Assad planes over Turkish territory.

And Turkey did not even use its AGM-88 and cruise missiles.

well syria also didn't used any of its M600

 

[500]

how come those reinforcement could not be droned ?

From 2nd May there was a drastic decrease of drone activity:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1234588398985338880

well syria also didn't used any of its M600

M600 can hit only static targets and very expensive. For each M600 u would get hundreds of bombs in return.

 

[Hack-Hook]

You make it sound noble. Fact is that you pick the most impoverished Shias and offer them some pocket money and maybe a chance to get buried in Iran if they become cannon fodder for an atheist dictator.

he is not atheist , Grand Mufti of Quds stated that his sects are Muslim

From 2nd May there was a drastic decrease of drone activity:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1234588398985338880

M600 can hit only static targets and very expensive. For each M600 u would get hundreds of bombs in return.

why that drastic decrease ? what stopped them , according to many here they had free reign over syria and nobody could stop them
turkey drone base is not that far from syria border

 

[dBSPL]

its very easy to form an opinion from safety and distance.
Turkish made a call given its position in the conflict.

. Turkey is engulfed in this conflict like Pakistan has been since the 80s. now you blame Erdogan for whatever reason but then again he is the same guy who survived a coup orchestrated by Americans. its a tough one. on one hand there are his unreliable Western allies who potentially tried to overthrow him and then there is an ex KGB Russian president who has his own cold and dark plans in the region.

I will let the Turks respond to your oversimplified bulletpoints.

Developments show that Turkey is not disturbed by guaranteeing the achievements of Russia. Or, with more correct expression, TR sees that cannot afford it alone.

The US political support statements have an opportunist (east of Syria) approach with no sincerity. Therefore, Turkey is not convinced about the destruction of relations with Russia. He took Idlib's control and accept Russia's sovereignty over Syria. But this time there is a significant difference, only Russia.

Will 30 thousand soldiers be withdrawn? It can no longer be withdrawn. At least most of them, may be around divisional/3 brigade size...

Turkey has two basic arguments from the start of conflict escalation: 1. stop the flow of refugees and the realization of Syrian people turn back to theirs homes. 2. Neutralizing terrorist elements from their sources, which are showing hostility towards Turkey.

To understand what this agreement has brought to Turkey or has what been lost, needs to be evaluated from this perspective. Turkey could not impose the demands of Sochi's Idlib de-escalation zones. (huge step back.) However, after the air and artillery operations that have been going on since February 27, Russia could not maintain a 6-kilometer buffer zone imposition to TR, along the TR border. Some are few, some are many, but met at a midpoint on both sides.

There is a very delicate balance here. Turkey and Russia's mutual attrition, can have "a favor of US" effect on the balance in east of Syria. Remeber that TR's only red line is about Syrian Pkk structure.

Region's commercial center, Idlib, will remain in control of the TAF. As it is an important step to keep the population here, it will visibly change the status of the region. Like OB, ES, PS operation areas. Turkish NGOs will be able to act more effectively in the region. But the main link road will be under the joint control of Turkey and Russia. This could become a very important commercially achievement for the regime under the protection of Russia .

Two elements are excluded here. 1. Iran elements will not be found along these 6 + 6 lines. 2. HTS elements will not be available along these 6 + 6 lines. The spirit of this agreement gives clues about Syria's and its actors focus points in the next 12 months.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Turkey has two basic arguments from the start of conflict escalation: 1. stop the flow of refugees and the realization of Syrian people turn back to theirs homes. 2. Neutralizing terrorist elements from their sources, which are showing hostility towards Turkey.

then how they dont move to kurdish controlled area and in area under their protection HTS control 80% of the land

 

[xyx007]

Israeli chap news is always doubtful ....Erdogan wins as Russia sign a historical agreement with Turkey. Drone fleet of Turkey was such advance Russia never able to see before. that is why they reach to agreement.
https://time.com/5797486/russia-turkey-cease-fire-syria/

 

[Hack-Hook]

Two elements are excluded here. 1. Iran elements will not be found along these 6 + 6 lines. 2. HTS elements will not be available along these 6 + 6 lines. The spirit of this agreement gives clues about Syria's and its actors focus points in the next 12 months.

previously also iran was not present there , but under Turkey protection HTS increased its controlled land from 20% to 80%

 

[Gaber]

After this war, no country will buy pantsir and reconsider buying russian air defense system for sure. For turkey, be prepare for mass drone orders, this is the victory for turkish defense industry.

 

[Stryker1982]

You can see the results. Assad had S-300PMU2 stationed in north (its virtually same as S-400), Buks, Pantirs etc etc. Turks had only MANPADS and F-16.

No no my friend. Syria does not have PMU2 or and S-300 variant up north. That's ridiculous claim. All of them are deployed around Damascus/Latakia for Israel airpower.

After this war, no country will buy pantsir and reconsider buying russian air defense system for sure. For turkey, be prepare for mass drone orders, this is the victory for turkish defense industry.

1 Pantsirs destruction without support from other AA classes doesn't make it null all of a sudden. The drones Turkey has while admirable are very similar to many other European Drones on the market already considering many components are imported.

Within days, Turkish Army destroyed around %15 of Asad Army while taking down 8 proven latest gen Russian SAM kill (2 of them are just revealed, there are BUK-M2s and S-300 (some source claims) as well) and 150+ tanks, hundreds of howitzers, MLRS

This is false on so many levels. I don't even know where to start. Imao Hundreds of tanks and howitzers? let alone the S-300..come on.

 

[cabatli_53]

Israeli chap news is always doubtful ....Erdogan wins as Russia sign a historical agreement with Turkey. Drone fleet of Turkey was such advance Russia never able to see before. that is why they reach to agreement.
https://time.com/5797486/russia-turkey-cease-fire-syria/

Russia had proposed just a 6-8km security zone to Turkish side at the beggining. The rest of the areas would have been controlled by themselves. Turkey didn’t accept that so Action started. In this final deal, Turkey received much more than what Russia envisaged but That is not what Turkish people wanted. After massive humiliation of Asad+Hizbul army using Russian technology and protection, We should have gained much more than this deal. That is the reason of unrest.

 

[dBSPL]

@Hack-Hook My personal prediction, in the continuation of this process, could be a similar process between Turkey and Iran, in response to the backdoor diplomacy between Russia and Israel. Because if the regime loses the effectiveness of IRGC and Hezbollah-related militants, the bargaining power of the Syrian PKK will increase in the field. This might be in favor of Israel in its current form but does not produce results in %100 favor of Turkey.

On the other side there are two options in front of HTS: to be legalized if the USA gives support. However, they reveal the Idlib control as a definite condition. Or will collide with the TAF with directly or sabotaging to agreement. Already great anger about agreement. So this is another leverage against to TR, for USA and its gulf elements that support its Syrian operations.

 

[Stryker1982]

Israeli chap news is always doubtful ....Erdogan wins as Russia sign a historical agreement with Turkey. Drone fleet of Turkey was such advance Russia never able to see before. that is why they reach to agreement.
https://time.com/5797486/russia-turkey-cease-fire-syria/

Yes, Turkish Drones are godly and the Russians are bowing to Turkey. That's why the Syrian Army controls over 2000 km^2 of Idlib + the M5 highway linking Aleppo to Damascus. The Syrian Russian Coalition, surrendered because they were winning... Look at the facts on the ground.

@Hack-Hook My personal prediction, in the continuation of this process, could be a similar process between Turkey and Iran, in response to the backdoor diplomacy between Russia and Israel. Because if the regime loses the effectiveness of IRGC and Hezbollah-related militants, the bargaining power of the Syrian PKK will increase in the field. This might be in favor of Israel in its current form but does not produce results in %100 favor of Turkey.

On the other side there are two options in front of HTS: to be legalized if the USA gives support. However, they reveal the Idlib control as a definite condition. Or will collide with the TAF with directly or sabotaging to agreement. Already great anger about agreement. So this is another leverage against to TR, for USA and its gulf elements that support its Syrian operations.

It's for sure in both Iran's and Turkeys interest to make sure a Syrian PKK is not a reality as it will spread to other regions and bolster Turkish PKK.

 

[cabatli_53]

No no my friend. Syria does not have PMU2 or and S-300 variant up north. That's ridiculous claim. All of them are deployed around Damascus/Latakia for Israel airpower.



1 Pantsirs destruction without support from other AA classes doesn't make it null all of a sudden. The drones Turkey has while admirable are very similar to many other European Drones on the market already considering many components are imported.



This is false on so many levels. I don't even know where to start. Imao Hundreds of tanks and howitzers? let alone the S-300..come on.

About S-300, I underlined that there are some source(not official) claiming like that. The official number of SAM kill is 8. In following days, They most likely reveal more footages in correct time. Rest of the numbers are official MoND figures. Feel free not to believe on them. We should not force anybody to believe on these official numbers. The reality of the ground is known by the people who fight in there.

 

[MMM-E]

What did you expect. After losing 10% of all Turkish drones in inventory in a matter of 2 days in panic retreat suffering huge casualities they lost any clue what to do next.

or Turkish UCAVs destroyed 15% of Assad Regime military equipments in a few days



after the Assad Regime attack on Turkish Forces in Idlib 27.02.2020

Turkish Armed Forces killed 3.322 Assad Regime militia including 3 generals and Iran backed terrorists

also Turkish Armed Forces destroyed

3 UAVs
2 SU-24 Fighter Jets
1 L-39 Aircraft
8 Helicopters
8 Air Defense Systems
155 Tanks
51 Howitzers
52 MLRS
29 AFVs
68 Military Vehicles
15 Anti Tank Weapons
36 Pick-up mounted anti aircraft guns
49 Ammunition Trucks
10 Ammunition Storage
2 Missile Systems