Ensure national flag is hoisted at madrasas on Aug 15, Jan 26: HC tells UP govt

[Stag112]

I agree on the technicalities.

But as with most of my participation over the years, I don't get bogged down in technicalities but get to the heart of the matter.

Don't want Muslim kids growing up not loving the flag, ensure they go to normal schools. A madrasa has no business teaching. Its a religious school, and it does not prepare a child for a normal financially independent and socially integrated and contributory life.

Why should the state support a madrasa? What business does the state have using my money or yours to support the teachings of a specific faith?

Those are the points that should be debated.

Not forcing the madrasa to hoist our tricolor.

You are indeed raising valid points regarding madrassas. And yes my response was technical and not fundamental as you correctly said.

Legal and administrative matters are meant to be technical, fundamental debates is the realm of polity and media... and the less we say about them the better. We are in an unenviable position where even our crappy politicians are a better pillar of our system than our media!!!

 

[vsdoc]

You are indeed raising valid points regarding madrassas. And yes my response was technical and not fundamental as you correctly said.

Legal and administrative matters are meant to be technical, fundamental debates is the realm of polity and media... and the less we say about them the better. We are in an unenviable position where even our crappy politicians are a better pillar of our system than our media!!!

Our judiciary is overreaching here.

 

[lightoftruth]

It is a norm for educational institutions who take govt money which has been reiterated by HC here ,no one is forcing anything ,If you take govt money you have to respect national holidays/symbols,just refuse the govt money and do whatever you like.

 

[Soumitra]

Our judiciary is overreaching here.

I respectfully disagree. Ensuring that the young minds are given proper teaching is part of the govt. role. If the govt is not doing its duty then the courts have to step in

 

[Samudra Manthan]

The country have enough people who respect National flag. One cannot force patriotism on its people. Even large amounts of Hindus do not respect national flag. There are enough Patriotic Muslims in India.

We should be proud of such peoples who respect India and its flag. Do not have patriotism? I do not care.
Karma is a bitch even for them.

Yes, when we call for throwing out such people from India it is Karma the bitch in action.

 

[Bang Galore]

Our judiciary is overreaching here.

Unnecessarily. Though @JanjaWeed makes a valid point.

 

[Stag112]

Our judiciary is overreaching here.

That also depends on technicalities unfortunately. If all other govt assisted schools have to arrange flag hoisting (I know in Maharashtra they do), then court, based on a petition by a citizen, can indeed require equal treatment for all institutions. I do not think the court has made a policy decision here, that was already made by the education dept of UP state.

If they made a policy decision, then I agree they are out of line.

 

[Samudra Manthan]

can't force patriotism on anyone..... still HC ruling is a welcome decision...

Indeed instead we should encourage more and more people to be traitors.

 

[vsdoc]

I respectfully disagree. Ensuring that the young minds are given proper teaching is part of the govt. role. If the govt is not doing its duty then the courts have to step in

Again, I repeat.

What is a madrasa? It is a religious school where kids are taught about their faith. Their holy book.

It is a place where kids of only one faith go.

This would have been ok if this were an evening or weekend school (even we Parsis have something like that) where kids learned about their faith and scriptures etc. but the rest of the time they went to a normal school, integrating with kids of all faiths and sections of society.

Such is not the case in a madrasa, and when a madrasa becomes the primary and ONLY medium of education, the child grows up in a very skewed manner.

That itself is the problem.

By hoisting a tricolor on top of the building, you are not changing anything. Not in his mind and heart, which is growing up in his formative years with a completely blinkered uni dimensional view of the world, the society he lives in. Not to mention the country or his countrymen.

You have a kid who spends his day in the madrasa. Then goes home to his Muslim basti and spends the rest of his day with muslims, amongst muslims.

What is his interaction with the rest of India? What is then the meaning of the flag?

 

[Echo_419]

Ensure national flag is hoisted at madrasas on Aug 15, Jan 26: HC tells UP govt

The Allahabad High Court on Tuesday directed the Uttar Pradesh government to ensure that the national flag is hoisted at madrasas across the state on Independence Day and Republic Day.

A bench comprising Chief Justice D Y Chandrachud and Justice Yashwant Verma passed the order, directing the state government to “issue necessary directions in this regard”. The order came on a Public Interest Litigation filed by one Arun Gaur, a resident of Aligarh, who had prayed for issuing directions to ensure that flag hoisting ceremony was held at madrasas on August 15 and January 26 in the same manner as done at the offices of various bodies controlled or assisted by the government.

The court, while issuing the aforesaid directions, also asked the state government to file its counter-affidavit on the PIL and fixed September 22 as the next date of hearing. -

Ensure national flag is hoisted at madrasas on Aug 15, Jan 26: HC tells UP govt | The Indian Express

Not a good thing

 

[Samudra Manthan]

i have never noticed any India flag on churches, Gurudwara or even temples as a rule as this order suggest. Hoisting national flag is symbol of respect and faith but orders are like these smells of hypocrisy of higher level

Do they get govt funds?

 

[[Bregs]]

Do they get govt funds?

i have clarified above in my reply

 

[Rajput_Pakistani]

India is a theocracy. Slowly but surely, fake mask of Secularism is coming off.
In my opinion, this decision is an example of "Judicial dictatorship"
If the madrasas are hoisting Pakistani flags, then this decision might make sense but how can you force a private entity to hoist the flag?

 

[Soumitra]

Again, I repeat.

What is a madrasa? It is a religious school where kids are taught about their faith. Their holy book.

It is a place where kids of only one faith go.

This would have been ok if this were an evening or weekend school (even we Parsis have something like that) where kids learned about their faith and scriptures etc. but the rest of the time they went to a normal school, integrating with kids of all faiths and sections of society.

Such is not the case in a madrasa, and when a madrasa becomes the primary and ONLY medium of education, the child grows up in a very skewed manner.

That itself is the problem.

By hoisting a tricolor on top of the building, you are not changing anything.

Please note I am NOT supporting madarsas. I dont want the children to study in them. But the unfortunate reality is that these places exist.

If we dont want them to churn out the next Kasabs we should do some things. A small thing like clebrating independence day and republic day will be a small step to make them part of nation loving people.

I am not saying that it will ensure this but atleast it will be a step in the positive direction

 

[vsdoc]

Unnecessarily. Though @JanjaWeed makes a valid point.

And so did Stag. To which I agreed.

My premise was the problem lies elsewhere.

Sticking our flag on top of it is not going to change it.