Election commission be reconstituted, demands PTI

[Kabira]

 

[airmarshal]

2013 election were largely fair. If anything Taliban support to PTI allowed them to win in KP over ANP who were hunted down and killed. We also used to believe MQM got vote by force from poor muhajirs, now there is no MQM militant wing to close down Karachi and Altaf has been declared traitor. Yet still MQM keep getting votes.

Now coming back to overseas Pak. They vote for superficial things sitting in safe heavens while locals will vote for someone who is best for their tehsil. PTI can give give ticket to incompetent, crimnal, corrupt candidate and win based on overseas votes.

Time is important factor, Pak election finish by 8PM in Pakistan. So by the time its 8PM in UK they will already know results of Pak election and can do dhandli based on that.

So if by your logic overseas Pakistanis should not be allowed to vote, then why does the country that apparently you only own, should receive $20 billion from overseas Pakistanis?

Also since your thinking is inclined towards Noonis, why should your leaders be allowed to buy and own properties overseas from the money looted from common Pakistanis, when anything overseas is an anathema to you?

ECP is a fraud and is owned two most corrupt parties namely PPP and PMLN. There cant be fair elections unless there are electoral reforms. I wont be surprised if PPP forms the next government. Elections right now are so easy to manipulate.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Without their remittances there will not be as much demand to import. They can ask their relatives who receive money to vote for party they like.

This statement of yours defines logic. What is the correlation between remittances and imports expect that without the remittances coming through Pakistan will need to take more loans to pay for the imports.

This Nadra system failed and money wasted.

Is it failed just because you say so or do you have a source to back your claim?

 

[Kabira]

This statement of yours defines logic. What is the correlation between remittances and imports expect that without the remittances coming through Pakistan will need to take more loans to pay for the imports.

Without remittances there will not be as much demand to import. People will be happy with two times roti like good old days.

So if by your logic overseas Pakistanis should not be allowed to vote, then why does the country that apparently you only own, should receive $20 billion from overseas Pakistanis?

Also since your thinking is inclined towards Noonis, why should your leaders be allowed to buy and own properties overseas from the money looted from common Pakistanis, when anything overseas is an anathema to you?

ECP is a fraud and is owned two most corrupt parties namely PPP and PMLN. There cant be fair elections unless there are electoral reforms. I wont be surprised if PPP forms the next government. Elections right now are so easy to manipulate.

I already pointed out its easier said then done. PTI isn't coming up with any solution, just demanding ECP to this and that with in their limited budget. If there is dhandli proof system for overseas Pakistanis then they may allowed to vote. If not in 2018 then 2023. Supreme court already said overseas Pakistanis are allowed to vote, problem is how? Solution may not come before 2023.

 

[Zibago]

Overseas Pakistan should never be allowed to vote for obvious reasons. Biometric machines can be hacked. Best and safest election is still the old way. ECP have gradually improved things since 2013 election to make it more transparent.

Biometric vs thapa system hmm hello mr qabal az masoh uncle everyone is moving toward biometricsystem because it is safe there is no way a person can cast two votes in a biometric machine

 

[Musafir117]

Oh PTI finnaly woke up when few months in general elections
2 sal dhandli ka rona
2 sal Panama ka rona
Bacha kucha ek sal not enough for this rona.
Give them another year ke 2 2 2 ho jaen

 

[Imad.Khan]

Without remittances there will not be as much demand to import. People will be happy with two times roti like good old days.

I see you conveniently avoided giving the source for your claim that Nadra voting system has failed. So i will take it as a bogus claim, just like the bogus claims of your leaders

Secondly your knowledge of Pakistani economy is zero. Pakistan imported $40.7B worth of products in 2016 and the import bill is growing. On the other hand Pakistan exports is on the decline and is expected to be just around $20B in 2017. That is almost $21B deficit. Pakistan get around $11B in remittances, the rest of $10B is made up by taking loans. Now imagine if Pakistanis stop sending remittances, then every year Pakistan will need to take $21B in loans. Sure you say that there will be no demand for imports, but most of things that Pakistan imports are not luxury items. The major imports are

Mineral fuels (Oil and Gas) constitute the major import of Pakistan almost 25% ($10B). we can't stop these imports as they are used for producing electricity and running of vehicles and industries and household.

Second on the list are computer equipment and machinery for running industries. appox 23% ($9B). Without these no new industries will be created and existing industries will slowly stop functioning as their existing machinery breaks down. we can't stop these imports as they are also as important as mineral fuel imports for the economy.

Ref:
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1246172/trade-structure-understanding-pakistans-import-composition/
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1281245/assessment-declining-trend-pakistans-exports/
https://www.dawn.com/news/1314043

So to conclude people will not be happy if there are no imports as there will not even be jobs available for them which means no two times roti and Pakistan will go back to the stone age, just like Afghanistan

 

[Kabira]

I see you conveniently avoided giving the source for your claim that Nadra voting system has failed. So i will take it as a bogus claim, just like the bogus claims of your leaders

Secondly your knowledge of Pakistani economy is zero. Pakistan imported $40.7B worth of products in 2016 and the import bill is growing. On the other hand Pakistan exports is on the decline and is expected to be just around $20B in 2017. That is almost $21B deficit. Pakistan get around $11B in remittances, the rest of $10B is made up by taking loans. Now imagine if Pakistanis stop sending remittances, then every year Pakistan will need to take $21B in loans. Sure you say that there will be no demand for imports, but most of things that Pakistan imports are not luxury items. The major imports are

Mineral fuels (Oil and Gas) constitute the major import of Pakistan almost 25% ($10B). we can't stop these imports as they are used for producing electricity and running of vehicles and industries and household.

Second on the list are computer equipment and machinery for running industries. appox 23% ($9B). Without these no new industries will be created and existing industries will slowly stop functioning as their existing machinery breaks down. we can't stop these imports as they are also as important as mineral fuel imports for the economy.

Ref:
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1246172/trade-structure-understanding-pakistans-import-composition/
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1281245/assessment-declining-trend-pakistans-exports/
https://www.dawn.com/news/1314043

So to conclude people will not be happy if there are no imports as there will not even be jobs available for them which means no two times roti and Pakistan will go back to the stone age, just like Afghanistan

No one denied the fact that without remittances Pakistan economy will take huge hit, they have helped reduce poverty to large extent. But if system isn't in place then what can ECP do? Did PTI come with any solution and how much it will cost? Many overseas Pakistanis don't send penny but have NICOP.

 

[Imad.Khan]

No one denied the fact that without remittances Pakistan economy will take huge hit, they have helped reduce poverty to large extent. But if system isn't in place then what can ECP do? Did PTI come with any solution and how much it will cost? Many overseas Pakistanis don't send penny but have NICOP.

I see you have taken a u-turn, you previous statement was

Without remittances there will not be as much demand to import. People will be happy with two times roti like good old days.

going by your logic of how much money a person sends to Pakistan is the eligibility for having the right to vote then the only people in Pakistan that should vote are the ones that actually pay taxes, which basically means only 1% of the total population.

As for the statement what ECP can do, its the job of ECP to organize this. its not PTI job. Secondly if you havn't noticed PTI is the only party advocating for the implementation of bio-metric system, and regarding the cost, it will be one off for the procurement of the machines, but let me break the savings down for you.

1. No wastage of money on magnetic inks
2. Reduce cost of staff
3. Reduce cost for verification of votes

 

[mkg00179504]

Overseas Pakistan should never be allowed to vote for obvious reasons. Biometric machines can be hacked. Best and safest election is still the old way. ECP have gradually improved things since 2013 election to make it more transparent.

Right, because so far we had absolutely fair elections and it ll be a conspiracy by overseas Pakistanis. The only good thing about overseas Pakistanis is their money. The rest they can go to hell, right. Grow up.

 

[Kabira]

I see you have taken a u-turn, you previous statement was



going by your logic of how much money a person sends to Pakistan is the eligibility for having the right to vote then the only people in Pakistan that should vote are the ones that actually pay taxes, which basically means only 1% of the total population.

As for the statement what ECP can do, its the job of ECP to organize this. its not PTI job. Secondly if you havn't noticed PTI is the only party advocating for the implementation of bio-metric system, and regarding the cost, it will be one off for the procurement of the machines, but let me break the savings down for you.

1. No wastage of money on magnetic inks
2. Reduce cost of staff
3. Reduce cost for verification of votes

I didn't take U turn. Its a fact without remittances there will not be as much demand to import. But I'm not going to deny that without remittances Pakistan will be lot more poor. They tried biometric machines that failed. My uncle won council seat on PTI ticket as pretty much entire town support PTI. The election process was transparent.

Independents got more seats then PPP/PTI, tell me how that was possible considering independents have less influence then big political parties. I believe Nawaz won 120 seats fair and square. If you won that many seats then independents line up to join you and it soon reached over 137 needed to make government. And now with allies like Fazl/JUI-F etc they have 2/3 majority in parliament.

PTI will get more votes in punjab 2018 then in 2013, not sure about seats. PPP is effectively dead, last time they got 2.8 million votes in punjab. People have already seen Nawaz government and no matter what now some will want to vote for alternative.

If youthias who only vote on twitter polls go out on election day then maybe PTI will win more seats.

 

[Strike X]

Do you think PTI will get more seats than PML-N in Pubjab for next election 2018?

 

[Awan68]

Whats the situation with the yanks and euro's, do they allow their overseas nationals to vote in their general elections?